Board 8 > Comics Topic 5: Where the "A" stands for AMERICA, F*** YEAH!

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I have to try and lower my expectations for Captain America, but it's difficult, because it's the last big super hero movie this year, so I can't help but be excited.

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I'm already anticipating super hero movies from next year.

GHOST RIDER 2, HELL YEAH

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Are they seriously making a Ghost Rider 2? This is news to me.

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I have no idea what possessed them to do so, but it's seriously happening. Starring everyone's favorite superhero, Nicolas Cage.

Hopefully it's funny-bad and not just awful-bad.

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1. No idea who my favorites are currently. I do know I love Dan Jurgens, Alan Davis was amazing in Excalibur and his X-Men issues, and I absolutely adored Joe Madrueira growing up. Loved his art.

2. Kevin Conroy, Mark Hamill, and Mr. Freeze's BTAS voices for sure. Superman is the TAS. I used to hear Skeets as a very droll, sarcastic high-class British man... but now I cannot unhear Philip J. Fry. On the flipside, in Brave and the Bold, I thought G'Nort's Woody Allen inspiration was completely out of place when it's obvious he's got John Candy's voice. Booster Gold's definitely got the generic superhero voice, kind of X-Men TAS Cyclops. I should just list:

Superman - TAS
Lois Lane - Erica Durance / TAS
Lex Luthor - Clancy Brown
Batman - Conroy
Jim Gordon - Gary Oldman
Mr. Freeze - TAS
Joker - Mark Hamill
Alfred - TAS
Dick Grayson - Will Friedle's Terry McGinnis
Wally West, Hal Jordan, Cyclops, Booster Gold, Captain America - Same but different
Spider-Man - Michael Rosenbaum's Flash, which is crazy because Spidey's got tons of excellent voicework already
Black Cat - TAS
Mary Jane - Spectacular Spidey
J. Jonah Jameson - TAS
Wolverine - Steven Blum
Rogue, Jubilee, Storm, Xavier, Beast - TAS
Jean Grey - Charisma Carpenter meets Anne Hathaway? Definitely not any animated version
Thor - MVC3
Deadpool - Originally Banzai fro mthe Lion King, not can't unhear BANG! BANGBANGBANGBANGBANG
Iceman - Fred from Scooby-Doo

And that's all I can think of

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Dick Grayson - Will Friedle's Terry McGinnis

Oh my god I'm not the only one. Though I've somewhat tried to get rid of this voice when reading him as Batman, because he's supposed to have a deeper voice with which to imitate Bruce.

Also Superman is his voice from Justice League. Jim Gordon is also Gary Oldman for me. Wally West is also his Justice League voice. Deadpool is now MvC3 voice usually.

Oh and my god, Spider-Man, hell yeah Josh Keaton. That voice is just so amazing for Spidey, always makes reading him better. I imagine a completely different voice for Peter Parker though, oddly, but I also don't care as much for Pete, so I don't bother using a special voice for him.

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OK seriously why does the June issue of Avengers Academy say August on it?

Why does nearly EVERY comic do that?

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Oh sweet, the complete Flash and Birds of Prey TV series came in the mail

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Oh my god I'm not the only one. Though I've somewhat tried to get rid of this voice when reading him as Batman, because he's supposed to have a deeper voice with which to imitate Bruce.

Pssh, then it goes from Will Friedle's Terry McGinnis to Will Friedle's Terry McGinnis In Costume. =P

And thinking on it, the Justice League Wally West I hear for a lot of characters, but never for Wally. Wally too grown up IMO for that voice. He's probably got 90s Spider-Man if anything. But thinking on it... Michael Rosenbaum subs in for Spider-Man, Booster Gold a lot of the time, Ted Kord in a mix including his Smallville Lex Luthor voice, Hawkeye, and various C-List villains.

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1. Frank Quitely - Without even a second thought, my #1 favorite artist. There's Quitely, and then there's everyone else, quite frankly.



2. John Romita Jr - I don't like his recent stuff, but he has so much GOOD stuff out there I don't care too much. Stern's Amazing Spider-Man, Claremont's X-men, Nocenti's Daredevil, Dixon's Punisher(four great runs one after another!), Miller's Man Without Fear, Jurgens' Thor, Millar's Wolverine, Pak's World War Hulk, JMS's Amazing Spider-man...the man has been on some damn good stories. He is THE definitive Marvel artist, even if you don't like him, you gotta respect him.



3. Bruce Timm - Bruce Timm hasn't done a lot of comic work, but what he did looks brilliant. Mad Love and Harley and Ivy are two of my favorite Batman stories, and every page of it makes me smile. But really, he's so high on my list because of his contribution to MY definitive Batman universe, with a style that has been imitated(although never perfectly duplicated) in hundreds of great episodes and the wonderful Batman Adventures series of comics. And not just Batman, but the entire DCAU like Superman and Justice League Unlimited. Cartoons/comics are in the same idiom, so I'm taking it!




4. Alan Davis - Master of his craft, incredibly storyteller, maybe my favorite superhero artist. If there were some comic book dictator God who came down and announced that all superhero books would now be drawn by Alan Davis, I would be perfectly fine.




5. Frank Miller - Again, not a fan of his recent work at ALL(in fact, I think its some of the most unappealing s*** I've ever seen), but few people understand the craft of a comic book like Frank Miller in his prime. Damn near every other page of Dark Knight Returns is a work of comic book ART, and Sin City and 300 are incredible visual showcases. He's one of the greatest comic book creators of all-time, no question.




6. Bryan Hitch - Used to be fake-Alan Davis, then he developed his own style and produced GODLIKE work on The Authority and the Ultimates, then he came up with a bunch of excuses and has just been doing covers since. Still, that one period of time is amazing. His action scenes are phenomenal, his characters feel real and the superheroics feel believable. I mean, how f***ing COOL is this sequence?






7. Walter Simonson - Jack Kirby on crack



8. Michael Lark - Never drawn a bad panel in his life. Complete master of body language; able to give his character so much life and depth just from a posture or a facial expression. You can tell what's going on in everybody's head just by looking at his art. Wonderful run on Gotham Central and Brubaker's Daredevil.



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9. Marcos Martin - Going to go down as one of the great Spider-Man artist, I think he stands up with anybody. His classical, simple illustrations show so much focus, his action so crisp and clear, his panel layouts so inventive. His upcoming Daredevil run is gonna be amazing. The last panel showing us how Daredevil sees The Spot takes a C-List villain into something horrific and engaging. One of the best working today.




10. David Aja - Have you seen Immortal Iron Fist? HAVE YOU SEEN IT!? Rather than simply being a tool to convey the story, which is generally how most artists treat their layouts, Aja often turns the layout into part of the story. His choreography is second to none, and he's constantly getting inventive with his page layouts. Its a Goddamn shame he isn't doing more work.





Honorable mentions: Mike Wieringo, Marc Silvestri, JH Williams III, Chris Bachalo, Phil Jimenez, Doug Mahnke, Cameron Stewart, a billion others. Not Jim Lee though, probably wouldn't be in my top 50, honestly.

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Oh, and why not through the writers in there?

1. Geoff Johns
2. Judd Winnick
3. Gail Simone
4. Joe Kelly
5. Jeff Lemire

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Koolaid what is your opinion on Manapul

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From: KimPilgrim | #013
Koolaid what is your opinion on Manapul

I think he's a wonderful artist, with inventive, detailed layouts, but I only seen him on The Flash and that book got boring so I dropped it.




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Are we discussing Captain America in here?

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Not Jim Lee though, probably wouldn't be in my top 50, honestly.

Why are you trying to hurt me?

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From: TheKoolAidShoto | #014
I think he's a wonderful artist, with inventive, detailed layouts, but I only seen him on The Flash and that book got boring so I dropped it.

Geoff Johns' Adventure Comics featuring Superboy. Get to it.







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COMICS ARENT JUST FOR KIDS ANYMORE!

Tag. So whens the club starting?

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Top Ten writers? Well, let's see here:

10. Bryan Lee O' Malley - Scott Pilgrim is one of the greatest comic books of the past decade. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.



9. Gail Simone - Probably don't have to explain Gail Simone to anybody here. The chick is awesome, she's writes great stuff, it seems to be a recurring theme for me with flawed, morally questionable but still great characters, but Secret Six has been DC's most consistently non-Morrison/Vertigo book for years. And she did the best Deadpool run EVER. Suck it down, Kelly/Nicenza.




8. Rick Remender - Here's another recent writer who my main enjoyment comes from work released in the past decade. Rick Remender is just my kind of comic book writer. He does big, fun, high-concept stuff(Frankencastle takes on Nazi Zombies and jetpack samurai with dragons and miniguns! Apocalypse and his Horsemen have a Citadel on the moon! Drunk Texan Adam Strange adventures!) but he never forgets characters. Its characters that makes us give a damn about action scenes, its characters that make us care about death, its characters that make the emotional investment, and Remender understands that. Like Ennis and Aaron, his characters damn sure aint perfect, but they have their hearts in the right place and you can root for them, and you feel pain when they are defeated or outright killed(cuz Remender pulls no punches on killing them if he sees fit!). Also, have I told everyone to pick up Uncanny X-Force yet? Because everyone should pick up Uncanny X-Force.




7. Jason Aaron - Scalped is good. It's soooooo good. Its the most consistently f***ing good comic book in the last 5 years. Like Ennis, Aaron's dialog is just impecible, his flawed characters human and relatable, and his storytelling is godlike. But unlike Ennis, Aaron likes superheroes. In fact, he's done some damn good superhero work. I think he's the best Wolverine writer of them all, glad a lot of his work is getting an Omnibus soon(should've collected Astoninshing Spider-Man and Wolverine too, that was brilliant, but alas...). His Ghost Rider is the best Ghost Rider of them all as well(he understands that Ghost Rider is a character with a flaming skull for a head and a giant flaming motorcyle and should be treated accordingly). He's also done this really awesome miniseries called "The Other Side" that I recommend to everyone all the time when they mention war comics(also I mention Ennis!). He's really been doing work for the past decade, I can't wait to see what he can produce in these next ten years.





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6. Walter Simonson - His Thor run alone should cement him for this list. A grand, operatic epic in every sense of the word, its the best run the Odinson has ever had, and its one of the reasons I remember I love comics. But he has two other really great runs as well: a short stint on the Fantastic Four, only about 20 issues if that, but they are just wonderful, clever, crazy comic book stuff. His other great one is Orion, the son of Darkseid and his badass adventures. Simonson draws the majority of these, and I already told you he's like some suped-up version of Jack Kirby. So dynamic, so full of life, so fun to read.





5. Chris Claremont - Claremont gets a lot of flak, mostly because everything he's done post 1991 has been horrendlously out-of-date and mediorce at best. But his run on the X-men DEFINED who they are. He either created them(Rogue, Mystique, Dark Phoenix, Hellfire Club, Sabretooth, Mr. Sinister, Gambit, Kitty Pryde, etc) or he completely established who they are(Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colosus, alternate X-men futures, Dark Phoenix Saga, Magneto's Holocaust backstory, you name it, Claremont probably came up with it). Even now, while a lot of his Cockrum/Byrne stuff is very wordy and purple prose all over the place, his work with Paul Smith, John Romita Jr, and Marc Silvestri shine just as bright now as they did back then, telling great superhero stories with the right mix of character-driven drama and fantastical action sequences. Oh, and that's not even going into his brilliant runs on Excalibur with Alan Davis or his "holy crap I didn't know comics could do this" New Mutants with Bill Sienkiewicz(who in retrospect should be on my artists list).





4. Frank Miller - Remember how I was just talking about this guy is one of the best to ever do it, who's understanding of comic book form and narrative changed the industry, how he's one of the great pioneer's of the entire medium? Well, still applies! Daredevil: Born Again, Elektra: Assassin, Batman: Year One, Dark Knight Returns, Sin City, Terminator vs Robocop, Hard Boiled, 300; he's could make as many s***ty Spirit films and fake-Batman vs Al Queda all he wants, his spot as one of the greats is set in stone.




3. Ed Brubaker - The man who got me really hooked on comics with his excellent Captain America run. Outside superhero team books, everything he touches seems to turn into gold: his definitive Captain America run, Daredevil, Immortal Iron Fist, Gotham Central, Sleeper, Criminal, Catwoman, etc. Master of crime/noir and pulp adventure.





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2. Garth Ennis - I don't think anybody does better character work in US comics then Garth Ennis. Behind his shock value techniques and language are dozens and dozens of interesting, relatable, fallible, human characters. His dialog may be the best in the business, and understanding of how comic book narratives should be structured is damn near unparalleled. Hitman and Preacher are two of my all-time favorite comic book runs, I try to read them annually. His War Stories are simply the best damn war comics out there.




1. Grant Morrison - God of All Comics. Animal Man, Doom Patrol, JLA, All-Star Superman, WE3, Kill Your Boyfriend, Batman, New X-men; ALL BRILLIANT




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Writers for me:

1. Paul Dini - I haven't read one comic by him that I didn't like. His run on Detective Comics is one of my favorite runs ever and I wish he would come back and do some more Batman. Even characters that I don't care much for, like Zatanna, are interesting when he's writing. Though I couldn't care less when another writer fills in for him.

2. Grant Morrison - I didn't care for him the first time through his Batman run. I didn't understand how to get used to his style, and it often confused me, I missed a lot of stuff, and then trying to read his stuff on a monthly basis was terrible, because I couldn't remember most of his stuff. Then I chose to completely re-read EVERYTHING, starting from Batman and Son, ending with his last issue of Batman and Robin. And my god, I enjoyed every minute of it. Going through again, I had more of a grasp on his style, I took my time, paid attention to every detail and soaked everything in. This dude is a f***ing genius. He's one of the few writers that rarely, if ever, wastes space. I hate when writers that fill a panel with text bubbles full of text that really means nothing.

3. Gail Simone - Obviously. She's amazing. She knows how to take a character no one knows and make them one of the most awesome characters you'll ever read about. Her work on Secret Six is mind blowing, and I'm sure she'll redeem the decision to make Babara Batgirl again. Hopefully she gets a hold of Cassandra Cain eventually, because that is my biggest dream right now.

4. Scott Snyder - I honestly just got introduced to him recently, with his work on Detective Comics. Which I find really amazing. If he's written more Batman before, I need to find out (I may have already read them without knowing if that's the case). He's a fantastic writer, unfortunately I don't think I've read a lot of his stuff. I need to fix that.

5. Ed Brubaker - Mainly his work on Captain America. I started reading at his run and haven't stopped. He did such a great job, I've enjoyed every minute of it. And he's really the best Cap writer around, I think. I'll be very sad the day he stops writing it, hopefully he never will.

6. Geoff Johns - I have to add him too because I do think he's a great writer. He's overrated though. He's not the Jesus Christ of comic book stories like a certain SOMEONE would suggest. He's a fantastic Green Lantern writer, and I really loved Infinite Crisis, and his run on the Flash (Wally West) was phenomenal. But I largely blame him for the long absence of Wally since Barry returned.

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Artist:

1. Mike Mignola: Take Jack Kirby, run him through the necronomicon and you have Mike Mignola.




2. Walt Simonson: How do you make Volstagg look good Walt Simonson that's who



3. Jim Steranko Sure he only drew like 3 issues total BUT WHAT 3 ISSUES



4. Paul Pope One of the best artists around for showing action and motion no shut up his faces are amazing

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5. Alex Ross: sometimes i just want to see middle aged people in spandex no wait that came out wrong



Writers:

1. Alan Moore: god what happened to you
2. Neil Gaiman: Emperor Norton is the best
3. Warren Ellis: i want to be spider jersusalem when i grow up
4. Garth Ennis: Garth Ennis writing superheroes is puerile, offensive for the sake of it and bitter. Garth Ennis writing war stories is... simply sublime. WHY DID THE PILOT DIE GARTH WHY WHY WHY
5. Mark Waid: The Flash, Kingdom Come, Empire, Captain America....

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I ****ing hate Garth Ennis, jesus christ. Still better than Mark Millar.

I am waiting for O'Malley to write at least one more thing before putting him on my list.

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TheKoolAidShoto posted...
Scott Pilgrim is one of the greatest comic books of the past decade. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.

I hated the movie and therefor refuse to read the comics. >_>

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Fantomex is a BAMF.

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When I hear BAMF, I just think Nightcrawler.

Also, the new Captain America comic was awesome, and it really does NOT line up with Fear Itself at all. It ends with the main antagonist getting away, Bucky having a new objective in life that could carry him well into the future, and says he can't be Captain America anymore. Then Fear Itself #3 came out, Bucky is Cap, and then he's dead.

WTF? Just further proof that Bucky is gonna be alive and well by the end of this event.

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Oh man is Fantomex french?

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He's Worldian.

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Writers, no particular order:
Grant Morrison, Gail Simone, Geoff Johns, Brian Bendis, James Robinson, Garth Ennis, Warren Ellis, Jeff Parker, Tony Bedard, Joe Casey

Artists, no particular order:
Frank Quitely, Tony Moore, Tony Harris, Paolo Rivera, Doug Mahnke, Chris Bachelo, Francis Manapul, Nicola Scott, Mark Buckingham, Salvador Espin

Edit cause I spelled someone's name wrong.

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I've changed my mind jack kirby is the greatest writer of ALL TIME in ANY MEDIUM

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From: KimPilgrim | #027
Fantomex is a BAMF.

I told you.

From: KimPilgrim | #029
Oh man is Fantomex french?

No. He speaks with a fake French accent to annoy people.

Like I said, I told you. Luckily Fantomex seems to get the most attention in this book.

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WTF why is Magneto chilling with the X-Men?

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Why were they taking Beat to Raft?

Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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Wait that ain't beast

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Uncanny X-Force is pretty great.

Now I'm a little confused there's a New X-Men and a "New" X-Men?

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Super Dinosaur, check it out folks.

Oh snap, we're doing top ten comic writers lists all righty.

1. John Wagner
2. Erik Larsen
3. Robert Kirkman
4. Frank Miller
5. Alan Grant
6. Pat Mills
7. Mark Waid
8. Alan Moore
9. Brian Michael Bendis (for Powers especially)
10. Peter Laird

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good call on kirkman

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Oh good, I was going to ask WHY no one had included Kirkman in their lists and then I see the last few posts and all is well.

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From: KimPilgrim | #037
Uncanny X-Force is pretty great.

Now I'm a little confused there's a New X-Men and a "New" X-Men?

Well, there was Morrison's New X-Men, the book's name changed from X-Men at #114, an apt title to describe all the fresh, new change and ideas he was bringing to the series. The name was changed back shortly after he left.

Then there was the New X-men book, which were new mutants trying to fight and save the world and all that. Kyle and Yost damn near killed all of them for giggles.

The current book is New Mutants(which cracks me up, considering members like Dani Moonstar and Sam Guthrie have been on New Mutants since the book started waaaaaay back in the mid-1980s).

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Is New Mutants still a teen team?

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And I still wanna know what Magneto's deal is.

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he's Xorn

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spoilers

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even I knew that and I don't even know what we're talking about

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But he asked Wolverine to kill a nazi for him

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Oh and how is Young Avengers

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Theory is the Nazi raped him as a kid when he was in the concentration camps during the Holocaust.

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