Board 8 > The 18th Holy Grail War: War of Redemption -- Night 19

(+) Yeah! (+)

Hm?

Things are going about as I expected. When did you come under any other impression?

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

Oh, so you expected to flail around, without catching even a whiff of me?


I wonder about you sometimes.

--
http://i.imgur.com/1l0Hd.gif

It was an unexpected miracle that I caught you last turn

But yeah, I expect to flail around without catching you for a few more turns, at least.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

;3

--
http://i.imgur.com/1l0Hd.gif

oi, shrui

what are you gonna be doing?

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

foolishly attempting to actually catch archer

i guess

where are you right now anyway?

--
http://myanimelist.net/profile/Shruikon

dead west of where I'm pretty sure you are

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

Same as usual then? You try and catch them, I'll try and block off escape routes?

I mean you know, not that we have any guarantee they're on this side of the map anyway but whatever.

--
http://myanimelist.net/profile/Shruikon

I suppose.

should we go north or south?

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

South this time I guess. Probably more likely unless they slipped past us and went to Res.D after that escape skill.

--
http://myanimelist.net/profile/Shruikon

honestly I don't find that terribly likely.

Either they moved after the escape skill or they went to the fountain with it. latter is a "I wouldn't put it past satou" but still incredibly derpy.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

Reg, I died at the Res District.

Remember? ;____;

--
Bear, do not blame, what cannot be changed

Shrui would've found 'em if they went to ResD after escaping from me though

unless he derped

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

They escaped to the Western Outskirts with that skill and sniped me. >_>

--
Bear, do not blame, what cannot be changed

Oh

Which means that I correctly predicted them and they simply were able to move afterwards then, probably to the ResD <_____<

welp

wait, Shrui, you moved through ResD last turn, right?

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

;3

--
http://i.imgur.com/1l0Hd.gif

Don't worry, Satou. I can reason this out.

Still probably won't actually catch you this turn either way, though.

But when the map is reduced to eight, you won't have very many places to hide. I'm content with catching you then.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

I know you can. You are a fully functional adult, right?

--
http://i.imgur.com/1l0Hd.gif

Regaro_Ukiera posted...
Oh

Which means that I correctly predicted them and they simply were able to move afterwards then, probably to the ResD <_____<

welp

wait, Shrui, you moved through ResD last turn, right?

No, I didn't.

--
http://myanimelist.net/profile/Shruikon

From: Shruikonn | #370
No, I didn't.

"oh"

Eh

Your choice on which direction we go then. I reckon the chances of finding them north are slightly higher

Actually

Let's go south. I have an idea.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

Also, if you can, send Byakuei to me.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

Byakuei has to stay with Saber, unfortunately.

I'd honestly be tempted to split my team up but it's Archer so ehh

--
http://myanimelist.net/profile/Shruikon

damn. That's no good.


If Sheng happens to have a familiar, send it to me <_<

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

Sheng isn't quite that useful unfortunately >_>

--
http://myanimelist.net/profile/Shruikon

don't worry, neither is Vari

He's only good for swapping skill slots and dropping moons.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

Continue talking.


I love hearing all about your sheets. ;3

--
http://i.imgur.com/1l0Hd.gif

Oh I'm not saying anything new.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

Who said I was referring to you?

--
http://i.imgur.com/1l0Hd.gif

hey satou

I'm bored

send me a paper chicken

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

If only I were still alive.

But sadly Archer had to crush my dreams of reviving my dearly departed Master. Such a sad tale that was the life of Caster and her Master Sarah Bennett. =(

--
Bear, do not blame, what cannot be changed

Reviving? lol


btw, you had it coming the moment you pledged allegiance to the 'other alliance'.


You, Baku, CPU, Shadow and whomever else I will kill in the future will learn that numbers do not always mean that you win.

--
http://i.imgur.com/1l0Hd.gif

I don't care if it was an impossible wish! ;____;

*shrug*

--
Bear, do not blame, what cannot be changed

btw, I also did the same thing in my first war.


I joined up in a mega ultra alliance, one that was filled with vets...only to die halfway through.


I also spent a good couple days begging people to revive me, lol.

--
http://i.imgur.com/1l0Hd.gif

owned satou owned


anyways not our fault archer is pretty op

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

Regaro_Ukiera posted...
owned satou owned


anyways not our fault archer is pretty op

And this is why Archers should never, EVER be allowed to do conditionals based on vision. Ever. They get vision at end of turn tbqh.

--
Placeholder anti-capslock sig.

Or they just automatically move slower than every other team.


...your fix is probably better

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

KanzarisKelshen posted...
Regaro_Ukiera posted...
owned satou owned


anyways not our fault archer is pretty op

And this is why Archers should never, EVER be allowed to do conditionals based on vision. Ever. They get vision at end of turn tbqh.

So your solution for vision being too effective is to make it nigh-worthless? Fascinating.

There's no particular problem with allowing a team to gain flexible information. What matters is just how easily they can take advantage of that information.

--
"As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick

It's not worthless at all if your turn setup is done properly.

For example, in a War 12/16 style type of phase order, it would still be plenty useful.

Not useful in a "move first, ask questions later" setup though.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

Sceptilesolarbeam posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Regaro_Ukiera posted...
owned satou owned


anyways not our fault archer is pretty op

And this is why Archers should never, EVER be allowed to do conditionals based on vision. Ever. They get vision at end of turn tbqh.

So your solution for vision being too effective is to make it nigh-worthless? Fascinating.

There's no particular problem with allowing a team to gain flexible information. What matters is just how easily they can take advantage of that information.

Combined with high mobility, it makes you uncatchable without outsmarting you. That's a really huge amount of utility, still - just not completely stupid like dynamic vision is.

--
Placeholder anti-capslock sig.

I'm heavily interested in what you guys say about Archer's sheet when the war ends.


I can say that I've been using my sheet effectively, while several others have been doing a bad job playing with theirs.

--
http://i.imgur.com/1l0Hd.gif

Combined with high mobility, it makes you uncatchable without outsmarting you. That's a really huge amount of utility, still - just not completely stupid like dynamic vision is.

Hang on, combined with high mobility? I'm confused, what's your problem with dynamic vision? I thought that it was them being uncatchable, but you've acknowledged that your change doesn't fix that.

--
"As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick

Sceptilesolarbeam posted...
Combined with high mobility, it makes you uncatchable without outsmarting you. That's a really huge amount of utility, still - just not completely stupid like dynamic vision is.

Hang on, combined with high mobility? I'm confused, what's your problem with dynamic vision? I thought that it was them being uncatchable, but you've acknowledged that your change doesn't fix that.

If Archer moves, say, four squares and has vision, they're hard to catch - but not impossible, you just have to win the WIFOM game and stay at two-slash-three hexes' distance and then predict their path. If Archer moves any decent amount of hexes and has dynamic vision, they can just prepare a "if we would run into people, head elsewhere" conditional and derp around firing global shots. Hence, uncatchable without outsmarting: with the current vision, even being a better player is irrelevant because the rules make it so you can NEVER come close without burning Command Spells.

--
Placeholder anti-capslock sig.

3-square movement?


dear god shoot me now

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

Regaro_Ukiera posted...
3-square movement?


dear god shoot me now

1 to 9, actually (though the 9 is EX, and the normal values cap at 4 or 5 IIRC). What can I say, I like speed differences. :P

--
Placeholder anti-capslock sig.

If Archer moves, say, four squares and has vision, they're hard to catch - but not impossible, you just have to win the WIFOM game and stay at two-slash-three hexes' distance and then predict their path. If Archer moves any decent amount of hexes and has dynamic vision, they can just prepare a "if we would run into people, head elsewhere" conditional and derp around firing global shots. Hence, uncatchable without outsmarting: with the current vision, even being a better player is irrelevant because the rules make it so you can NEVER come close without burning Command Spells.

Oh right, this is including multisquare movement. That changes things.

I hate multisquare movement.

--
"As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick

From: KanzarisKelshen | #395
1 to 9, actually (though the 9 is EX, and the normal values cap at 4 or 5 IIRC). What can I say, I like speed differences. :P

From: Regaro_Ukiera | #394
dear god shoot me now

(Also, Scep, this war has two movement phases, similar to WoD)

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

Yeah, and I dunt like WoD's much either >_>

The War 8-inspired system is INFERIOR. So I declare!

--
"As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick

this is something that I hold that War 12 got totally right fwiw

war 5's system is also perfectly acceptable

--
http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png
http://nightly.mozilla.org

nyeh

--
http://i.imgur.com/1l0Hd.gif

Multisquare movement superior tbqh. Just needs to have less bull regulating it, AKA "if you don't have four stats super high your move rate is ass" needs to go.

--
Placeholder anti-capslock sig.