Board 8 > Long Past Dinner, Episode 4 Begins! *UMINEKO PLAYTHROUGH, NO FUTURE SPOILERS*

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Mega Mana
03/04/11 3:31:00 PM
#1:


I just finished up Episode 3. And though I'm completely perplexed by the final puzzle, I'll venture on. Not sure if I'll get to Episode 4 right away, but I wanted this topic up before the other one fills up and I lose everything.

Rankings Over Three Episodes:

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK TIER
Beatrice, Kyrie, Meta-Battler, Shannon

A NEW HOPE TIER
Kanon, Ronove, Natsuhi, George, Battler, Virgilia

RETURN OF THE JEDI TIER
Jessica, Hideyoshi, Krauss, Eva, Rudolf, Genji

REVENGE OF THE SITH TIER
Bernkastel, Kumasawa, Maria, Kinzo, Ange, Nanjo

PHANTOM MENACE TIER
Lambdadelta, Belphegor, Lucifer, Gohda, Asmodeus

ATTACK OF THE CLONES TIER
Satan, Mammon, Beelzebub, Leviathan

STAR WARS CHRISTMAS SPECIAL TIER
Rosa, Evatrice, Siesta Sisters

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Regaro_Ukiera
03/04/11 3:31:00 PM
#2:


Ep 4 'best episode'

also ANH should be top tier but ehhhhhhh

I didn't come here to debate Star Wars
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Mega Mana
03/04/11 3:47:00 PM
#3:


Yeah, Star Wars is just something that had six I could rank. Thought about doing Lost, but I KNOW that would spawn posts about the Lost rankings instead of the playthrough.

Debating whether to play this now or get to B8BL. Three new games to mark up. Two hours til TF2... mmm...

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Shadow_Ryoko
03/04/11 3:50:00 PM
#4:


Episode 4 is so delightful and super special awesome with chocolatechip pancakes and cookies and rainbow unicorns

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DarkReinforce
03/04/11 3:52:00 PM
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*Evatrice at bottom*

hate you so much

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Shadow_Ryoko
03/04/11 3:53:00 PM
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I'm more concerned that he has the best mom ever at the bottom!

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DarkReinforce
03/04/11 3:57:00 PM
#7:


:-(

needs moar love

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Raka_Putra
03/04/11 3:57:00 PM
#8:


The worst thing is the lovable duo of the moe and bubbly 45 and mischievous 410 at the bottommost of the ranking.

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SemiFinal vs Belarus
03/04/11 4:08:00 PM
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From: Shadow_Ryoko | #006
I'm more concerned that he has the best mom ever at the bottom!


well to be fair he still hasn't seen rosa's best parenting yet

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Mega Mana
03/04/11 4:09:00 PM
#10:


From: Shadow_Ryoko | #006
I'm more concerned that he has the best mom ever at the bottom!


Better than Kyrie? SURELY YOU JEST! and Episode 1 Natsuhi trumps Episode 2 Rosa soooooooo much that it carries over into the other episodes where they don't do much. And Eva? I like her poison tongue more than the Doubleslap technique.

From: Raka_Putra | #008
The worst thing is the lovable duo of the moe and bubbly 45 and mischievous 410 at the bottommost of the ranking.


Maybe things will change. Would it help if I called them Presea and Raine?

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Shadow_Ryoko
03/04/11 4:12:00 PM
#11:


Oh, right. Forgot about that, thanks for reminding me semi~

Now excuse me, I'm gonna go hide in the shadows until you reach episode five, aka best episode ever

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SemiFinal vs Belarus
03/04/11 4:15:00 PM
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episode five ga sugoi desu ne~

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Raka_Putra
03/04/11 4:19:00 PM
#13:


Yeah, let's hope so! Well, you could, but I don't play Tales and had to Google Raine

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KamikazePotato
03/04/11 7:27:00 PM
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Those are some pretty great rankings.

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Mega Mana
03/04/11 7:28:00 PM
#15:


From: KamikazePotato | #014
Those are some pretty great rankings.


^5

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AfroSquirrel
03/04/11 7:35:00 PM
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Bronove and Stakes too low. Everything else looks right, though.

Wasn't it the 'Holiday Special', not 'Christmas Special', since they were celebrating SpaceChristmas aka 'Life Day'?

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LeonhartFour
03/04/11 9:04:00 PM
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Pretty solid rankings based on what you've played so far.

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Mega Mana
03/05/11 3:58:00 PM
#18:


Turns out plans to marathon more of Angel were cancelled today and postponed until tomorrow.

Which is a shame because I was planning to go full on Episode 4 tomorrow. Guess I'll have to try and make up for it today!

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Mega Mana
03/05/11 4:22:00 PM
#19:


SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/58317484

Go nominate songs from television shows! Preferably songs that play during the episodes themselves or for a certain scene or what-have-you, but intros are cool too. It make me a very happy Mana!


Interesting statement for the episode. We're exploring outside a bit? Hmm. Also, still haven't figured out Nanjo's cause of death. What would you say is the average percent of players who figure it out before they open Episode 4? I don't want Maria's rose to be the only thing I solve in this game.

Checking the Nanjo situation:
- In response to multiple personalities, she only said Jessica's eyes were blocked and murder impossible. In white, she says the body could not have been used. Does Jessica have multiple personalities? Eva? Battler? Her body, but not her mind? I'm not seeing any loopholes aside from a dead person doing the deed.

Nanjo tripped over a body, fell looking into his or her face, and it somehow triggered a gunshot into his face? Or stabbing motion?

Whatever. I'm sure I'll figure it out someday.

ONTO EPISODE 4! I tire of this mystery.

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LeonhartFour
03/05/11 4:24:00 PM
#20:


From: Mega Mana | #019
Does Jessica have multiple personalities?


Battler tried to use that argument, but Evatrice shot it down.

Jessica's not involved.

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Ness26
03/05/11 4:32:00 PM
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From: Mega Mana | #019
Interesting statement for the episode. We're exploring outside a bit? Hmm. Also, still haven't figured out Nanjo's cause of death. What would you say is the average percent of players who figure it out before they open Episode 4? I don't want Maria's rose to be the only thing I solve in this game.


I would guess it is low, but not that low. I'd elaborate on why, but that might give you more hints than you want. =]

I didn't figure it out, but I figured out next to nothing in Umineko. I got caught up in the story and stopped thinking.

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LeonhartFour
03/05/11 4:36:00 PM
#22:


Yeah, I didn't really figure out much of anything while I was reading it. It wasn't until after the fact and talking with people about it that I started figuring things out.

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Ness26
03/05/11 4:40:00 PM
#23:


Also, you haven't solved Game 3, but what about Games 1 and 2? Which twilights do you not have a solution for?

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Mega Mana
03/05/11 4:52:00 PM
#24:


- Helicopter! Or plane! lol Battler. Pervy Rudolf is hilarious.
- Ooh, ANGE and Bernkastel in frozen time. Poor ANGE.
- Love the new credits. Ange, Virgilia, the golden stacks, the shoulder war towers, the stakes and Locus blades. Excellent stuff. I do miss the creepy ass 'everybody with a Phanto face' scene, but it's alright.
- Damn, Battler's been shell-shocked by the Game Three strategy. Or perhaps, he's still trying to figure out how Nanjo died and can't come to grips with it. I know how he feels.
- Oh what the... smooth jazz? Did this turn into MvC2 all of a sudden? Beato's gonna take you for a ride!
- XD, between the jazz, croissant hijinks, and finger pointing, this feels like the beginning of a Phoenix Wright case. Probably something about instant noodles or the Steel Samurai.
- Hmm... why's Maria in the Fantasy section? Lambdadelta backing Beatrice, Bernkastel backing ANGE, Maria in-between? This looks interesting.
- Battler x Beelzebub!
- What the hell? Cheering for Beatrice's entrance? This has become a sitcom. Alright, where's the Trickster?
- Beelzebub and Battler's shared reaction to her entrance is top-tier. If Beelzebub doesn't piss me off by the end of the episode, she's going to be very highly ranked.
- "It seemed neither had a clue what was going on with the other."
- Ronove top-tier too.
- ANGE with the badass entrance.
- Yeh, don't make fun of how pathetic Battler's been acting. He's totally pulling a DiNozzo!
- The hell is a Menger sponge?
- Note to self: Don't always trust Ronove then. Even if he's a bro.
- "That's my name, dumbass."

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LeonhartFour
03/05/11 4:55:00 PM
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From: Mega Mana | #024
- Ronove top-tier too.


Aw yeah Bronove with the troll

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Regaro_Ukiera
03/05/11 4:57:00 PM
#26:


From: Mega Mana | #024
- Oh what the... smooth jazz? Did this turn into MvC2 all of a sudden? Beato's gonna take you for a ride!


Monochrome Clock top-tier track
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RyokIes
03/05/11 4:58:00 PM
#27:


episode 3 is easy easy when you get the trick

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LeonhartFour
03/05/11 4:58:00 PM
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Monochrome Clock belongs in the Star Wars Christmas Special tier

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Mega Mana
03/05/11 5:02:00 PM
#29:


From: Ness26 | #023
Also, you haven't solved Game 3, but what about Games 1 and 2? Which twilights do you not have a solution for?


All 3! I think

Game 1: Eva did it. The only closed room that couldn't reasonably be broken by anyone else was Eva's. The chain was not unlike the Kinzo mystery where the murderer killed Eva and Hideyoshi in their own room and only could escape after the chain was broken by outsiders. Nanjo checked Hideyoshi's vitals, but not Eva's, and their room was never returned to again so we can't establish their corpses remaining there. However, the same could be said for everyone else in the game it seems. But it is unlikely one of those from the storeroom could have locked themselves in and gotten into Eva & Hideyoshi's room. Any of the murders following Eva's closed room could've had any killer. I suspect Eva the most though, with Kumasawa as a second. Maybe even Natsuhi considering Eva's not always where she was assumed to be in Game 3. Natsuhi could've killed Kinzo, made her own door look scratched up, and used the gun to kill some other people. When she stormed out of the meeting, she could've gone and given Maria the letter. May have to check again to see when Natsuhi arrived at Eva's room, but I think she was outside with Kanon when he first got there. Perhaps she painted the outside? Hmm...

Game 2: Too busy trying to scrub the goat teeth visual from my memory to care.

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Raka_Putra
03/05/11 7:23:00 PM
#30:


Ronove trolls Beato beautifully.

And I solved Nanjo's murder before I finished EP. Oh man, everyone's reactions were glorious.

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kurtfisto
03/05/11 7:56:00 PM
#31:


Episode 4 time hell yeah

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Mega Mana
03/05/11 8:32:00 PM
#32:


Just as soon as I escape TVTropes...

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Mega Mana
03/06/11 9:36:00 AM
#33:


Ange's Future... is boring.

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To NEStalgia!

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KamikazePotato
03/06/11 9:46:00 AM
#34:


oh god ange

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Silver_Shot
03/06/11 11:23:00 AM
#35:


Lol, Mana find your control button!

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LeonhartFour
03/06/11 11:59:00 AM
#36:


Episode 4's first half is like a test. If you pass it, you get treated to the amazingness that is the second half.

Seriously, Episode 4's second half might be the best part in all of Umineko. If not, it's close.

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AfroSquirrel
03/06/11 12:03:00 PM
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...or you like both halves >_>

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LeonhartFour
03/06/11 12:20:00 PM
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Yeah, but those are straaaaaaaaaange people.

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SemiFinal vs Belarus
03/06/11 1:49:00 PM
#39:


I wouldn't call them "people."

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Nanaya27
03/07/11 9:05:00 AM
#40:


I didn't much like it the first time, but rereading it it's not so bad.

Also, I have to warn you. If you have any intention of solving the mystery at all, don't skip the non-gameboard stuff, in fact pay close attention to it.

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Regaro_Ukiera
03/07/11 9:08:00 AM
#41:


From: SemiFinal vs Belarus | #039
I wouldn't call them "people."


From: LeonhartFour | #038
Yeah, but those are straaaaaaaaaange people.


You guys are the strange ones. I mean honestly, I can understand why somebody wouldn't like it but honestly? <_<
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LeonhartFour
03/07/11 9:35:00 AM
#42:


I stand by my original statement.

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Raka_Putra
03/07/11 4:17:00 PM
#43:


Ange's future wasn't too bad.

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LeonhartFour
03/07/11 4:18:00 PM
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Well, the last few scenes with Ange are much improved, but they also take place during the second half of the Episode!

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Gatarix
03/07/11 5:11:00 PM
#45:


*minor spoilers*


Ange's past -- her life at the boarding school, her use of magic as a means of escape -- was pretty interesting to me. The dull part was when she conducted all those interviews in the present day to figure out the truth behind the murder. Her storyline doesn't pick up again until the scene that I figure Leon's referencing.

Also the ep4 intro was way better than storytime with Featherine's body double in ep6.


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Raka_Putra
03/08/11 4:33:00 AM
#46:


Except EP4's first half is much longer.

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Mega Mana
03/08/11 8:55:00 AM
#47:


Forgot to bump the previous topic, =(. Alright, unless I get another call to hang out or sudden urge to watch eight hours of a show I haven't seen in years... Umineko time!

- The Diary of Maria. Interesting! I wonder what she wrote about in her time before and during Rokkenjima.
- Birthday stories.
- Cardcaptor Sakura? Isn't that... 1996 on? Touhou reference was too. Rokkenjima's 1986. Hmmm
- Sakutaro! Reminds me of Doshin the Giant pictures back before Gamecube.
- This is sweet, but I'm being driven to sleep. And I just woke up.

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KamikazePotato
03/08/11 9:48:00 AM
#48:


get through it YOU CAN DO IT

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SemiFinal vs Belarus
03/08/11 9:51:00 AM
#49:


Lesser men than you have fought off the assault of drowsiness in the first half of Ep4.

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Mega Mana
03/08/11 10:04:00 AM
#50:


Hmm, what's that?

Oh sorry, I was watching a blue power rangers use five swords to kill a bad guy.

Five swords. At once.

Two in one hand, three in the others. Five swords.

Yeah, sorry Sakutaro. You're just not badass enough unless you have five. swords.

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