Current Events > "The Marvels" early presales is 72% behind Quantumania

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https://screenrant.com/the-marvels-early-box-office-projections/

Not surprised. Sales will probably be below it. After Quantumania sucking, plus the nimrods who are all M-SHEE-U, plus Secret Invasion sucking...

I'll probably still see it because I'm in too deep at this point.

Have the articles blaming misogyny started yet?

Well, I'd say that the movie is not for the casual moveigoer, just based on the trailers.

For other than Captain Marvel and Nick Fury... who are the other main characters?

(You'd only know if you watch Marvel series on Disney+.)

The 1st Guardians of the Galaxy movie and it's trailer... handled introductions of an unknown group much better:

https://youtu.be/d96cjJhvlMA

The trailers for the movie looks aggressively mid.

Tom_Joad posted...

Well, I'd say that the movie is not for the casual moveigoer, just based on the trailers.

For other than Captain Marvel and Nick Fury... who are the other main characters?

(You'd only know if you watch Marvel series on Disney+.)

The 1st Guardians of the Galaxy movie and it's trailer... handled introductions of an unknown group much better:

https://youtu.be/d96cjJhvlMA

Not like Ms Marvel was already popular or anything.. Oh wait.

spikethedevil posted...

Not like Ms Marvel was already popular or anything.. Oh wait.

I think calling her popular is an overstatement.

I think it looks good but I watch all the comic book movies.

s0nicfan posted...

Have the articles blaming misogyny started yet?

They did that too aggressively with the first one than made a military propaganda film so they can't again.

I feel like the monetary success of Marvel movies could be the thing I care least about in the entire world

spikethedevil posted...

Not like Ms Marvel was already popular or anything.. Oh wait.

Is she popular to the general public, though? Ms. Marvel was one of my favorite D+ shows, but it also had the lowest viewership.

spikethedevil posted...

Not like Ms Marvel was already popular or anything.. Oh wait.

She's only popular for comic readers and even then people hate that her powers were changed. Don't think casual Marvel fans really care for the MCU version.

MC_BatCommander posted...

I feel like the monetary success of Marvel movies could be the thing I care least about in the entire world

He said, as he rushed to the keyboard to type about how he doesn't care about the thing in the topic about the thing. So that everyone can know how much he doesn't care

Theaters suck and are grossly overpriced, and it'll be on D+ in a couple months anyway.
That's why.

But seriously I just did a quick Google and they're bringing back that garbage actress Gemma Chan again? That can't be right, right? Why is Disney in love with this terrible actress so much that they insist on her, is she married to a director or producer or something?

I thought the first captain marvel was pretty decent. I like any cosmic marvel really. But with this new movie theyre mixing in other characters, one who stars in a made for kids D+ show. So its hard for someone like me to get excited about. Ill watch it at home when I can.

MatzoTov posted...

I'll probably still see it because I'm in too deep at this point.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Theaters suck and are grossly overpriced, and it'll be on D+ in a couple months anyway.
That's why.

These

Revisited posted...

He said, as he rushed to the keyboard to type about how he doesn't care about the thing in the topic about the thing. So that everyone can know how much he doesn't care

The idea of rushing to a keyboard is really funny and makes no sense but ok

Incoming: 10,000 videos all titled "WOKE Marvel doomed"

Phases 4-6 seem like a mess tbh. The final villain will be some guy that will have already been beaten at least twice before he shows up again in like 3 years.

Television tie ins were a massive mistake.

Absolutely no reason Ms Marvel couldn't have carried a film.

HornyLevel posted...

Phases 4-6 seem like a mess tbh. The final villain will be some guy that will have already been beaten at least twice before he shows up again in like 3 years.

Honestly, I think it's just a fear of committing to it on their part. The fact that we haven't had an avengers movie in this long I think it's pretty evident of that. They went into the first couple of phases with a vision and a specific set of characters leading to specific crossover story lines, but after end game I don't think they had enough confidence in the heroes they still had in play to do that same kind of thing so instead they've spent years just throwing shit at the wall to see what people will or won't like and the end result of that is everything feels weird and disjointed.

Blightzkrieg posted...

Television tie ins were a massive mistake.

Absolutely no reason Ms Marvel couldn't have carried a film.

Yeah. I've enjoyed a few of the TV shows, but asking casual audiences to keep up with several TV shows and movies of mostly mid-quality is asking a lot.

Even an MCU fan like myself is starting to get burned out

McMarbles posted...

Incoming: 10,000 videos all titled "WOKE Marvel doomed"

Haha get f***ed! I'm already at half mast at the idea of this movie featuring women heroes failing, it's boner city up in here! That's what you get for not making a straight white male disney!

s0nicfan posted...

Honestly, I think it's just a fear of committing to it on their part. The fact that we haven't had an avengers movie in this long I think it's pretty evident of that. They went into the first couple of phases with a vision and a specific set of characters leading to specific crossover story lines, but after end game I don't think they had enough confidence in the heroes they still had in play to do that same kind of thing so instead they've spent years just throwing shit at the wall to see what people will or won't like and the end result of that is everything feels weird and disjointed.

Honestly, disjointed wouldn't even be that bad if the shows were individually great on their own. But a lot of the shows and even movies feel like forgettable filler content.

Everything doesn't need to tie in together, but a lot of this stuff is starting to feel like throwaway content to hold people over until the bigger projects.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Honestly, disjointed wouldn't even be that bad if the shows were individually great on their own. But a lot of the shows and even movies feel like forgettable filler content.

Everything doesn't need to tie in together, but a lot of this stuff is starting to feel like throwaway content to hold people over until the bigger projects.

It doesn't have to tie in together, but tying it all together helped to make bad movies retroactively better eg iron man 2 or even thor 2.

s0nicfan posted...

Honestly, I think it's just a fear of committing to it on their part. The fact that we haven't had an avengers movie in this long I think it's pretty evident of that. They went into the first couple of phases with a vision and a specific set of characters leading to specific crossover story lines, but after end game I don't think they had enough confidence in the heroes they still had in play to do that same kind of thing so instead they've spent years just throwing shit at the wall to see what people will or won't like and the end result of that is everything feels weird and disjointed.

I think it's more that Phase 3 and the success of things like GotG got to their head. They figured they could just throw in a bunch of "GotGs" and they'd all be a success.

And yeah, the lack of Avengers definitely hurt.

The 7 years from 2012-2019 had 5 Avengers movies
The 7 years from 2019-2026 will have 1 (followed by another in 2027)

The fun of Phases 1-3 was the constant culmination of a decent crossover with everybody, all building up to a huge event.

This time, there will just be the huge event with a messy buildup.

HornyLevel posted...

I think it's more that Phase 3 and the success of things like GotG got to their head. They figured they could just throw in a bunch of "GotGs" and they'd all be a success.

You haven't been paying attention of you think this. Nothing they've done in Phases 4 & 5, outside of GOTG, has been like GOTG.

The actual issue is that the fandom has some unrealistic expectations (and revisionist history) based on how well Phase 3 did.

I'll watch it when it comes on tcm

lolife67 posted...

You haven't been paying attention of you think this. Nothing they've done in Phases 4 & 5, outside of GOTG, has been like GOTG.

The actual issue is that the fandom has some unrealistic expectations (and revisionist history) based on how well Phase 3 did.

I think they meant more like introducing characters nobody cares about and becoming a massive success. All the phase 4 introduced heroes suck tbh.

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

I think they meant more like introducing characters nobody cares about and becoming a massive success. All the phase 4 introduced heroes suck tbh.

So like they've done since Phase 1?

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

So would you say you're at full mast with this news, or only half?

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

I think they meant more like introducing characters nobody cares about and becoming a massive success. All the phase 4 introduced heroes suck tbh.

The new characters are fine, some are even great. But the key aspect in which the comparisons between Phase 1-2 and Phases 4-5 break down is that the latter sorely lacks a strong central figure on-par with Tony or Cap, and the MCU is rapidly approaching the point where said figure needs to emerge. If that figure is intended to be, for instance, Captain Marvel, then The Marvels desperately needs to be her Winter Soldier.

masterpug53 posted...

The new characters are fine, some are even great. But the key aspect in which the comparisons between Phase 1-2 and Phases 4-5 break down is that the latter sorely lacks a strong central figure on-par with Tony or Cap, and the MCU is rapidly approaching the point where said figure needs to emerge. If that figure is intended to be, for instance, Captain Marvel, then The Marvels desperately needs to be her Winter Soldier.

This is true and I'd also add the lack of a team up film is hurting them too. We need to see these characters interact a lot more than we have.

Consider me invoking the sunk-cost fallacy but I'm in this deep and I would feel bad if I just backed out on it. I'll be watching it, but I expect it to be a mid as fuck movie. It's going to do all the tired cliched you expect out of a MCU movie, but I just hope at least I have a fun time with it.

Hmm.

It turns out that not every superhero is equally marketable. Yes, they struck gold by having Chris Pratt, pro wrestler Batista, and a talking raccoon in a big budget movie about a group that relatively few people knew about. But that doesn't mean that they can turn any random hero into the next big name. For the most part, people still want the characters they're familiar with.

It'll get better for them when they have free reign to make X-Men movies. I'm going to be pissed though if Wolverine doesn't wear the yellow Batman costume.

FortuneCookie posted...

Hmm.

It turns out that not every superhero is equally marketable. Yes, they struck gold by having Chris Pratt, pro wrestler Batista, and a talking raccoon in a big budget movie about a group that relatively few people knew about. But that doesn't mean that they can turn any random hero into the next big name. For the most part, people still want the characters they're familiar with.

It'll get better for them when they have free reign to make X-Men movies. I'm going to be pissed though if Wolverine doesn't wear the yellow Batman costume.

Good news from Deadpool 3:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/5/7/AABJX0AAE7fh.jpg

Blightzkrieg posted...

Television tie ins were a massive mistake.

Absolutely no reason Ms Marvel couldn't have carried a film.

100% this. The movies should be separated from the TV ties in, not required to understand a movie. The way the Netflix shows worked was better.

Now there is just WAY too much "homework" for most people to keep up with.

s0nicfan posted...

Good news from Deadpool 3:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/5/7/AABJX0AAE7fh.jpg

Good start. I'm waiting for the mask.

Based. Hopefully Hollywood as a whole will move away from the hero genre. The Macy's horrible reddit tier humor was beginning to infect the whole industry.

Charged151 posted...

100% this. The movies should be separated from the TV ties in, not required to understand a movie. The way the Netflix shows worked was better.

Now there is just WAY too much "homework" for most people to keep up with.

It's funny to hear this now when before, everyone complained about how the Netflix shows and AoS weren't tied into the movies lol

If The Marvels gets good reviews, then I will see it in theaters. If the movie gets bad reviews, Ill wait until its on Disney+.

I liked Ms. Marvel more than most other D+ shows, but I wouldnt say it was good. Ms. Marvel felt like a CW superhero show, which meant it was safe from shooting itself in the foot from pretending to be something better like most of their other entries.

lolife67 posted...

It's funny to hear this now when before, everyone complained about how the Netflix shows and AoS weren't tied into the movies lol

To anyone who suggested that, you don't know what you have until it's gone...

masterpug53 posted...

The new characters are fine, some are even great. But the key aspect in which the comparisons between Phase 1-2 and Phases 4-5 break down is that the latter sorely lacks a strong central figure on-par with Tony or Cap, and the MCU is rapidly approaching the point where said figure needs to emerge. If that figure is intended to be, for instance, Captain Marvel, then The Marvels desperately needs to be her Winter Soldier.

I also agree that this is a problem.

I initially assumed Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Doctor Strange were intended to be the new "trio". But then this just...didn't happen? Like these characters don't interact with each other at all.

Then I thought maybe we'd be building up to an Avengers team with Spider-Man as the leader but this also doesn't seem to be happening.

I have no idea what the next "Avengers" team looks like. And maybe that's a good thing, maybe I'll be absolutely blown away by what they do. But in the short run, it looks like Marvel is jogging in place, just tossing out characters and saying "YOU tell us who you want to see more of". And that's a losing strategy.

Blightzkrieg posted...

I also agree that this is a problem.

I initially assumed Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Doctor Strange were intended to be the new "trio". But then this just...didn't happen? Like these characters don't interact with each other at all.

Then I thought maybe we'd be building up to an Avengers team with Spider-Man as the leader but this also doesn't seem to be happening.

I have no idea what the next "Avengers" team looks like. And maybe that's a good thing, maybe I'll be absolutely blown away by what they do. But in the short run, it looks like Marvel is jogging in place, just tossing out characters and saying "YOU tell us who you want to see more of". And that's a losing strategy.

I'm honestly thinking that T'Challa was probably going to be a huge part of the MCU going forward and probably fill that void left by Steve and Tony, but once Chadwick Boseman passed, they really couldn't settle on who to hand the keys over to.

It looks like garbage, but I'll probably still watch it

Phase 4 was all about introducing a bunch of new characters. You got some really good movies, but also some of MCU's worst movies as well (Thor Love and Thunder, dear god did they missed the mark so hard on it) with many of the movies being fairly mediocre. Sure Phase 1 and 2 was similar, but it felt like there was at least a pay off for everything. The payoff for Phase 4 was suppose to be Kang the Conqueror and Quantumania happened and...yeah he's a fucking joke in that movie. No different than any of the throwaway villains they had in Phase 1 and 2. The movie over and over again tells you to fear Kang and how much of a badass he is, but not once did I ever felt he was dangerous, never delivering. Majors did his best with what he had, and I'm glad they didn't have him be a pun/quip machine, like Ultron was, but my god did they do his character dirty.

Prestoff posted...

Phase 4 was all about introducing a bunch of new characters. You got some really good movies, but also some of MCU's worst movies as well (Thor Love and Thunder, dear god did they missed the mark so hard on it) with many of the movies being fairly mediocre. Sure Phase 1 and 2 was similar, but it felt like there was at least a pay off for everything. The payoff for Phase 4 was suppose to be Kang the Conqueror and Quantumania happened and...yeah he's a fucking joke in that movie. No different than any of the throwaway villains they had in Phase 1 and 2. The movie over and over again tells you to fear Kang and how much of a badass he is, but not once did I ever felt he was dangerous, never delivering. Majors did his best with what he had, and I'm glad they didn't have him be a pun/quip machine, like Ultron was, but my god did they do his character dirty.

I definitely don't know why they chose Kang as the villain for an Ant-Man movie. It should have just been MODOK, with the stinger revealing that he was working for Kang. That way, an Ant-Man movie doesn't have to do the heavy-lifting for an entire saga of Marvel movies.

And the Council of Kangs is something we shouldn't have even seen until this saga's equivalent of Infinity War.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I definitely don't know why they chose Kang as the villain for an Ant-Man movie. It should have just been MODOK, with the stinger revealing that he was working for Kang. That way, an Ant-Man movie doesn't have to do the heavy-lifting for an entire saga of Marvel movies.

It's because they're trying to do the comic book thing where they put plot critical details into what would otherwise be a side story to force people to go watch it. If the next big villain wasn't in ant-man, even fewer people would have gone to see Ant-Man than already did.

It's like when you're reading a big crossover event and it looks like a character is in danger and then you flip the page and they're just fine and there's a little note that says "to see what happened, go read Excalibur issue #75"