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So many important characters just die off screen

I could probably write better plays, if you gave me a room full of monkeys with typewriters and an infinite amount of time.

Don't be the prick of noon

I can't ever appreciate Shakespeare. The way people talk in his work is hard for me to enjoy, I often kinda just glaze over and it turns into word salad that I can't understand.

What has he done in the last 300 years or so? Nothing. Bald fraud.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/202-books-and-literature/67194069

*was

But yeah, Shakespeare was a legitimate powerhouse talent but the cult around him being utterly unmatchable is delusional.

marthsheretoo posted...

*was

Wait, what?

Tru dat, machavelli the real deal, not some poser ghostwriter.

Shakespeare wasn't a real person but a collective of writers. It's why a lot of "his" works are very inconsistent in narrative yet similar in themes. The latter of course happening because it's easier for multiple people to tell the same story twice than it is for one person.

Man, there was someone that would lose his shit about Shakespeare on 261. Can't remember if it was geomanfan or if it was someone else.

Heineken14 posted...

Man, there was someone that would lose his shit about Shakespeare on 261. Can't remember if it was geomanfan or if it was someone else.

Oh yeah, lmao. Grubby Hick guy.

RIP Geo Man Fan

William Shakesman was actually multiple people all writing under a pseudonym.

Even if you want to argue about authorship, I'm struggling to find a portfolio of work even approaching the importance of Shakespeare for English.

Shakespeare is very definitive in showing the beginning of modern English.

Starks posted...

Even if you want to argue about authorship, I'm struggling to find a portfolio of work even approaching the importance of Shakespeare for English.

Shakespeare is very definitive in showing the beginning of modern English.

Because the formulation of the language was created by aristocrats through the guise of Shakespeare, which was actually a multitude of writers.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Shakespeare wasn't a real person but a collective of writers. It's why a lot of "his" works are very inconsistent in narrative yet similar in themes. The latter of course happening because it's easier for multiple people to tell the same story twice than it is for one person.

Note to other posters: this is considered a fringe theory that the overwhelmingly majority of scholars don't agree with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_authorship_question

Although the idea has attracted much public interest,[2][a] all but a few Shakespeare scholars and literary historians consider it a fringe theory, and for the most part acknowledge it only to rebut or disparage the claims.

All but a few fringe scholars believed in gravity too.

Aristocrats taking power after the middle ages and wanting to exert their dominance by taking over the language in an attempt to flex the suppression of society is a much more realistic scenario than one fucking man writing hundreds of books and having it completely change how society talks.

It was a method of oppression and that's it.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

All but a few fringe scholars believed in gravity too.

Aristocrats taking power after the middle ages and wanting to exert their dominance by taking over the language in an attempt to flex the suppression of society is a much more realistic scenario than one fucking man writing hundreds of books and having it completely change how society talks.

It was a method of oppression and that's it.

Okay, 63 karma alt with nearly 600 posts. Whatever you say.

Lol if you think western society magically changed because of a bunch of books.

The biggest class disparity in history just happened to be coinciding at the same time. And the seeds of the institutionalized racism that lives today were planted. But it's just a coincidence. Shakespeare the G0AT yo

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Lol if you think western society magically changed because of a bunch of books.

The biggest class disparity in history just happened to be coinciding at the same time. And the seeds of the institutionalized racism that lives today were planted. But it's just a coincidence. Shakespeare the G0AT yo

Shakespeare was a conspiracy to cause more racism is certainly a take.

Are you that one black supremacist guy?

Guide posted...

Shakespeare was a conspiracy to cause more racism is certainly a take.

Are you that one black supremacist guy?

It was moreso class supremacy.

And no.

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what

SayHeyyShohei posted...

All but a few fringe scholars believed in gravity too.

This is a new one. Are you laboring under the delusion that gravity is no longer real?

SayHeyyShohei posted...

All but a few fringe scholars believed in gravity too.

Aristocrats taking power after the middle ages and wanting to exert their dominance by taking over the language in an attempt to flex the suppression of society is a much more realistic scenario than one fucking man writing hundreds of books and having it completely change how society talks.

It was a method of oppression and that's it.

Mate, you sound like a crazy person. And also a person who knows fuck all about Shakespeare.

MC_BatCommander posted...

I can't ever appreciate Shakespeare. The way people talk in his work is hard for me to enjoy, I often kinda just glaze over and it turns into word salad that I can't understand.

A good annotated Shakespeare makes it quite digestible.

Glob posted...

Mate, you sound like a crazy person. And also a person who knows fuck all about Shakespeare.

This seems suspiciously like the type of thing Shakespeare would say!

Heineken14 posted...

This seems suspiciously like the type of thing Shakespeare would say!

The real Shakespeare was the friends we made along the way.

The 'multiple/alternative authors' theories started soon after Shakespeare's death, and are always rooted in snobbery.

'Only the elite could have created these plays. Certainly not some provincial writer who never went to university'.

No one who has studied the evidence believes the fringe garbage theories.

Shakespeare would go over a lot better with audiences if teachers and professors didn't over analyze every word he wrote.

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I hate that movie.

How did it win best picture.

BurmesePenguin posted...

I hate that movie.

How did it win best picture.

Massive arm twisting campaign by Harvey Weinstein.

ai123 posted...

The 'multiple/alternative authors' theories started soon after Shakespeare's death, and are always rooted in snobbery.

'Only the elite could have created these plays. Certainly not some provincial writer who never went to university'.

No one who has studied the evidence believes the fringe garbage theories.

Yup

The entire "it was actually a team of intellectuals" has always been elistism

hardly anyone: Shakespeare wasnt a real person
cepeople: shakespeare was a conspiracy he was never even born and certainly didnt write anything worth reading

EPR-radar posted...

This is a new one. Are you laboring under the delusion that gravity is no longer real?

Didn't believe that should say

ForsakenHermit posted...

Shakespeare would go over a lot better with audiences if teachers and professors didn't over analyze every word he wrote.

I agree that hes often taught poorly taught. The key issue is often that its taught as literature when it should be taught as drama.

Glob posted...

I agree that hes often taught poorly taught. The key issue is often that its taught as literature when it should be taught as drama.

expect it is literature just dramatic literature

Glob posted...

I agree that hes often taught poorly taught. The key issue is often that its taught as literature when it should be taught as drama.

It shouldn't be taught like that either, a lot of his works are satire or comedies.

The inconsistencies in the writing were due to the fact that Shakespeare never wrote out his plays in full. Each actor had his individual lines. Many of the "hard copies" of his work were sold/stolen/destroyed, so after Shakespeare died, his company of actors tried to write his plays out from memory.

He was a real person who acted, wrote plays, formed a company of actors, designed/financed a theatre in London, etc.

This "ghost writer/collection of writers" theory is rubbish

itcheyness posted...

It shouldn't be taught like that either, a lot of his works are satire or comedies.

"drama" in this case means performed work, not "tragedy"

https://youtu.be/n39DEQzfueg?si=1h3BHgd12m4f2Alk

True art, by machines.

potdnewb posted...

expect it is literature just dramatic literature

I never said it wasnt. I said it should be taught as drama, particularly to people who arent old enough to have deliberately chosen to study literature.

Euripides posted...

The inconsistencies in the writing were due to the fact that Shakespeare never wrote out his plays in full. Each actor had his individual lines. Many of the "hard copies" of his work were sold/stolen/destroyed, so after Shakespeare died, his company of actors tried to write his plays out from memory.

He was a real person who acted, wrote plays, formed a company of actors, designed/financed a theatre in London, etc.

This "ghost writer/collection of writers" theory is rubbish

Shakespeare would have written his plays in full.

A professional scrivener would have written a fair copy to serve as a prompt book for the theatre company, and the scripts containing individual lines for the actors.

The texts we have come from a variety of sources. Many were published in Shakespeare's lifetime. Some of them were memorial reconstructions, others seem to have access to the prompt book. Some are early drafts, some contain later revisions informed by theatrical performance.

MC_BatCommander posted...

I can't ever appreciate Shakespeare. The way people talk in his work is hard for me to enjoy, I often kinda just glaze over and it turns into word salad that I can't understand.

I can get you a starter list of plain English versions, usually film, if you want an introduction (if no one else has volunteered that yet by the time I scroll down).

Serious_Cat posted...

A good annotated Shakespeare makes it quite digestible.

Annotated is for the nerds who like fun facts.

As much as I cherish my copies that have taught me a lot, I wouldn't lay something annotated on the desk of someone not into the topic in the first place.