Current Events > US Senate just released a 300 page breakdown about the origins of COVID-19

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Full document:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23780776-mwg-fdr-document-04-16-23

23 Page Summary:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23780771-mwg-executive-summary-april-16-2023

Final paragraph of the summary document:
The preponderance of information supports the plausibility of an unintentional research-related incident that likely resulted from failures of biosafety containment during SARS-CoV-2 vaccine-related research. The identified underlying biosafety issues increased the likelihood that such containment failures were not immediately recognized. The possibility of unrecognized biocontainment breaches combined with SARS-CoV-2s clinical characteristics of asymptomatic and mild clinical illness in the majority of infections, likely confounded early recognition and containment of the initial outbreak. Such initial unrecognized infections could serve as the nidus of the outbreak of COVID-19 in Wuhan and is a plausible proximate cause of the pandemic.

Joe numbers is BACK with a Covid post, baby!

Better take your victory lap before you inevitably get suspended again for some nonsense post you quadruple down on.

why's it say it's by the Muddy Waters Group?

ironman2009 posted...

why's it say it's by the Muddy Waters Group?

Redman made Covid? No way.

Why is the document not on a government web page if the US Senate released it?

RZArector posted...

Redman made Covid? No way.

that's exactly the same thing i thought when i saw it too lol

CableZL posted...

Why is the document not on a government web page if the US Senate released it?

https://www.marshall.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sen-marshall-releases-bombshell-covid-19-origins-report/

huuuuh

I will never understand how we allowed ourselves to get to the point where it was considered conspiratorial to claim that it's possible covid accidentally leaked from an institute of virology, that happened to be at the epicenter of the pandemic, that also had been researching covid for decades, that also had been flagged in the past for falling short of the required safety standards.

__aCEr__ posted...

https://www.marshall.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sen-marshall-releases-bombshell-covid-19-origins-report/

Thanks

Plausible
That's what you came back to rub in our faces?
Plausible?
Get outta here, kid

s0nicfan posted...

I will never understand how we allowed ourselves to get to the point where it was considered conspiratorial to claim that it's possible covid accidentally leaked from an institute of virology, that happened to be at the epicenter of the pandemic, that also had been researching covid for decades, that also had been flagged in the past for falling short of the required safety standards.

Because a lot of crazy people took "It leaked from their virology lab" and added "because the deep state is working on a depopulation program funded by Gates and George Soros".

Marshall is a Republican senator and a noted Covid conspiracy theorist, so I can guarantee that this is all a bunch of nonsense

And what the hell is the Muddy Waters Group?

__aCEr__ posted...

https://www.marshall.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sen-marshall-releases-bombshell-covid-19-origins-report/

Ah yes. The low confidence report that no one cares about except conspiracy theorists.

I dont know if this guy is a doctor or a Rand Paul doctor but he seems to be a pretty standard Kansas Republican.

Also

https://amp.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article243602707.html

So the topic title and the content are two different things, but okay, thanks.

I just assumed joe got banned since we hadn't seen him

Did they release one supporting Ivermectin?

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

I just assumed joe got banned since we hadn't seen him

He's been waiting for more covid news to drop. We'll see him again in 5 years for the next low confidence report.

Joenumbers back again to just shit up the board with conservative covid conspiracy theories.

s0nicfan posted...

I will never understand how we allowed ourselves to get to the point where it was considered conspiratorial to claim that it's possible covid accidentally leaked from an institute of virology, that happened to be at the epicenter of the pandemic, that also had been researching covid for decades, that also had been flagged in the past for falling short of the required safety standards.

why do you think joenumbers is sharing this?

s0nicfan posted...

I will never understand how we allowed ourselves to get to the point where it was considered conspiratorial to claim that it's possible covid accidentally leaked from an institute of virology, that happened to be at the epicenter of the pandemic, that also had been researching covid for decades, that also had been flagged in the past for falling short of the required safety standards.

I will never understand how people still don't know that the Wuhan institute of virology opened up at that location after the original SARS outbreak because of the close proximity to the habitat of horseshoe bats that caused the original novel coronavirus.

The place was built to be in proximity to an area known for coronavirus for research purposes, it wasn't built there first, coronavirus second.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I will never understand how people still don't know that the Wuhan institute of virology opened up at that location after the original SARS outbreak because of the close proximity to the habitat of horseshoe bats that caused the original novel coronavirus.

The place was built to be in proximity to an area known for coronavirus for research purposes, it wasn't built there first, coronavirus second.

I'm not saying it was built and they brought covid there, so what's your point?

s0nicfan posted...

I'm not saying it was built and they brought covid there, so what's your point?

Its like blaming the beach for there being sand. This is not only the ideal place to study coronavirus its also the place most likely for mutations to occur.

s0nicfan posted...

I'm not saying it was built and they brought covid there, so what's your point?

My point is the location of the research lab is in no way suspicious.

s0nicfan posted...

I will never understand how we allowed ourselves to get to the point where it was considered conspiratorial to claim that it's possible covid accidentally leaked from an institute of virology, that happened to be at the epicenter of the pandemic, that also had been researching covid for decades, that also had been flagged in the past for falling short of the required safety standards.

Because that's a gross over simplification of what people were doing.

Tyranthraxus posted...

My point is the location of the research lab is in no way suspicious.

Okay. All I said was it was a plausible enough theory to not fall to the level of conspiracy. Do you disagree?

s0nicfan posted...

Okay. All I said was it was a plausible enough theory to not fall to the level of conspiracy. Do you disagree?

It being plausible doesnt change there not being any evidence to make this hypothetical connection. Particularly when there are far less unlikely possibilities.

divot1338 posted...

It being plausible doesnt change there not being any evidence to make this hypothetical connection. Particularly when there are far less unlikely possibilities.

Cool. Then we don't disagree.

can I get a tldr

s0nicfan posted...

Cool. Then we don't disagree.

That this conspiracy theory has no evidence to support it? Sure.

s0nicfan posted...

Okay. All I said was it was a plausible enough theory to not fall to the level of conspiracy. Do you disagree?

I disagree. It's very much conspiracy territory. While some conspiracies are more believable and others, and sometimes conspiracies actually happened, that doesn't change the overall lack of evidence supporting it.

But if it just feels like common sense then you don't need evidence!

s0nicfan posted...

Okay. All I said was it was a plausible enough theory to not fall to the level of conspiracy. Do you disagree?

I always saw the conspiratorial people essentially say it was a lab leak and it was dumb to think otherwise. The ones saying it's simply plausible aren't the ones being called conspiratorial

If anyone else posted this, would CE be just as pissy about it?

s0nicfan posted...

I will never understand how we allowed ourselves to get to the point where it was considered conspiratorial to claim that it's possible covid accidentally leaked from an institute of virology, that happened to be at the epicenter of the pandemic, that also had been researching covid for decades, that also had been flagged in the past for falling short of the required safety standards.

On a broader level, are you asking this rhetorically? Or are asking for reasons making a statement like this led to people being suspicious of you?

AloneIBreak posted...

If anyone else posted this, would CE be just as pissy about it?

Yes.

AloneIBreak posted...

If anyone else posted this, would CE be just as pissy about it?

Probably, CE tends to be pretty rational in evaluating government claims of 'fact'

COVxy posted...

But if it just feels like common sense then you don't need evidence!

Yeah! Like Ivermectin!

Ruvan22 posted...

Probably, CE tends to be pretty rational in evaluating government claims of 'fact'

That and the kinds of people willing to signal boost this kind of crap all have similar idiosyncrasies. Joenumbers shitting up the board about COVID isn't fundamentally different from Duncan doing it.

Boo. I like the idea of Chinese people eating exotic animals from questionable food markets more than some lab.

The US Senate, or "The Muddy Waters Group" (whoever they are)?

Agonized_rufous posted...

Boo. I like the idea of Chinese people eating exotic animals from questionable food markets more than some lab.

Exotic meat markets back on the menu

Racist: "I bet it's CHINA. Is it CHINA? It's CHINA. They did it."
US Government: "It's not China."
Racist: "The government continues to lie about COVID. It's a fake, not real virus that isn't any worse than a common cold and I don't need to get vaccinated. But it's also chemical warfare from CHINA which has killed millions and we need to retaliate."
US Government: "Were your parents brother and sister?"
Racist: "Stop discriminating against my heritage!"

So is it saying it is possible it was a lab leak? If so I guess they dont want to say for sure on anything as to not start pointing fingers waggling again.