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DarkRoast
01/26/23 10:31:24 AM
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(or in my case, reversal)

...you literally don't have a choice. Your brain is just wired a certain way, and the longer you deny it, the worse it gets until you start becoming obsessed and having meltdowns like I did back in November.

Transgender isn't a choice. And to be honest, when you first realize it you are mostly thinking "this is bullshit, what the fuck?"

It took me 3 months of constant denial and reversal and everything else to accept that I'm not the gender I always pretended to be.

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DarkRoast
01/26/23 10:32:15 AM
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And the longer you fight it, the more depersonalized you become:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/6/1/AAeEwGAAEH-t.jpg

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well-excuse-me
01/26/23 10:33:31 AM
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You sure crave attention
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gunplagirl
01/26/23 10:34:13 AM
#4:


DarkRoast posted...
And the longer you fight it, the more depersonalized you become:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/6/1/AAeEwGAAEH-t.jpg
I know Zinnia personally and she's wonderful

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DarkRoast
01/26/23 10:34:32 AM
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well-excuse-me posted...
You sure crave attention

I'm trying to help people who may not realize what problem they have. Because I didn't. And I would have benefited from someone pointing these things out.

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DarkRoast
01/26/23 10:35:18 AM
#6:


gunplagirl posted...
I know Zinnia personally and she's wonderful

When I finally read that, I finally realized and accepted what was wrong with me.

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Giant_Aspirin
01/26/23 10:35:27 AM
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congrats on finding yourself. what do you mean "reversal"?


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Slayer_22
01/26/23 10:36:21 AM
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I'm glad you found your peace in your situation. I wasn't around when you were having issues but I'm glad you've found peace with everything. :)

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DarkRoast
01/26/23 10:37:47 AM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
congrats on finding yourself. what do you mean "reversal"?

From a very young age I always tried to present as male because I wanted to have friends that were boys. I thought it was cool, badass, whatever you want to call it

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frozenstar
01/26/23 10:39:03 AM
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thank you for this, TC

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DarkRoast
01/26/23 10:41:01 AM
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frozenstar posted...
thank you for this, TC

This has been an extremely humbling experience for me, and I have a newfound respect and appreciation for transgender individuals. It's cruel what they are sent through considering they literally have no choice in who they are.

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Vegy
01/26/23 10:42:11 AM
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Sayoria will be proud

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The_shibe
01/26/23 10:44:52 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
accept that I'm not the gender I always pretended to be

I didn't know this. So you identify as a male?

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DarkRoast
01/26/23 10:47:56 AM
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The_shibe posted...
I didn't know this. So you identify as a male?

I did. I don't anymore. Not after getting pregnant and getting a hormone explosion lol. Who knows, it may reverse after pregnancy. At least I know the signs now.

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Jump_Fangirl
01/26/23 10:54:10 AM
#15:


How is having an ongoing or coherent conversations with yourself a sign of transness or mental depersonalization?
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frozenstar
01/26/23 10:55:49 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
This has been an extremely humbling experience for me, and I have a newfound respect and appreciation for transgender individuals. It's cruel what they are sent through considering they literally have no choice in who they are.
it has provided further proof to me that I am not experiencing gender dysporhia

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CyricZ
01/26/23 10:55:57 AM
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Not much longer now! Get hyped for the pregnancy to be over!

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DarkRoast
01/26/23 10:59:09 AM
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frozenstar posted...
it has provided further proof to me that I am not experiencing gender dysporhia

You may not think you have it now, but if you really do have it, it will start to get worse over time. What starts out as little thoughts starts to build up, until eventually you find yourself spending all day every day trying to talk about it.

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DarkRoast
01/26/23 11:28:21 AM
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The bottom line:

People who are solidly cis will not be questioning their gender identity more than briefly in passing. They won't spend weeks and weeks trying to prove they're fine - if you're reached that point, you are at least non-binary if not transgender.

Also, a surprisingly simple question:

"If you could restart life, which gender would you pick?"


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Southernfatman
01/26/23 11:37:57 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
And the longer you fight it, the more depersonalized you become:

*reads list*
>.> v.v

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apolloooo
01/26/23 12:00:54 PM
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I think scary amount of people doesn't realize how little choice they actually have in term of their personalities and temperament, this including all the whole sexuality and gender spectrum. I am fairly convinced that in the end a human being is a sum of their physical bodies. Brain, blood, flesh. Not just brain, the everything that made up your body and that doesn't affect your consciousness in many many ways and the choices you have to control and fight it is very very little.

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ElatedVenusaur
01/26/23 12:13:40 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
The bottom line:

People who are solidly cis will not be questioning their gender identity more than briefly in passing. They won't spend weeks and weeks trying to prove they're fine - if you're reached that point, you are at least non-binary if not transgender.

Also, a surprisingly simple question:

"If you could restart life, which gender would you pick?"
Julia Serrano explains it by saying our gender is determined by three aspects: your assigned sex, which is determined basically by whether or not you have a penis*; gender identity, which is how you yourself identify; and subconscious sex i.e. basically what your brain is. If all three factors align i.e. you have a penis, you identify as male, and your brain agrees, subconscious sex is basically invisible.

But me? I had a penis, I was pretty sure that made me a boy, I referred to myself that way and presented that way, but I couldn't banish the niggling doubt that I wasn't, nor did I ever quite fit in with the boys, no matter how hard I tried. I would dream about just waking up one day and magically being a girl.

*Ambiguous genitalia exists, which is typically when the doctor makes a snap decision as to whether you would make a better boy or girl and likely surgically "corrects" your genitalia.

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DarkRoast
01/26/23 12:29:24 PM
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I think people who have struggled with this are more likely to understand my original post, but I tried to make it so everyone could get an idea.

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VampireCoyote
01/26/23 12:31:11 PM
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Yeah ignoring it really does make everything worse, more painful

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ElatedVenusaur
01/26/23 12:34:30 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
I think people who have struggled with this are more likely to understand my original post, but I tried to make it so everyone could get an idea.
You did a really good job!

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Solid_Seb
01/26/23 12:48:57 PM
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That list describes a friend of mine really well.
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dj1200
01/26/23 12:57:12 PM
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So what is your biological sex and your gender, tc?

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VampireCoyote
01/26/23 1:04:44 PM
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^ Rude

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hockeybub89
01/26/23 1:07:22 PM
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Some people will see your reversal and go "Durr hurr see it isn't real", which doesn't make any sense since very few cis or straight or whatever "normal" people have any point in their lives where they were confused or struggling with their identity. The struggle kind of proves that these identities are innate.

These kinds of personal experiences help a person that is experiencing the same, but it's unfortunate that they don't do anything for others who refuse to acknowledge that person's experience

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CanardElastique
01/26/23 1:07:53 PM
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well-excuse-me posted...
You sure crave attention
Sir, this is a message board, that's what we all want, including you just now.

If we didn't want to engage with other people we would be writing in our diaries.

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Will_VIIII
01/26/23 1:08:22 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
^ Rude


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dj1200
01/26/23 1:32:59 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
^ Rude
How is that rude? I honestly don't know what's rude about that.

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DarkRoast
01/26/23 2:11:34 PM
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Honestly at this point my emotions are so spent, I can't even get mad. The depersonalization alone is brutal.

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DarkRoast
01/26/23 2:19:44 PM
#34:


Another thing - transgender isn't about whether or not you FEEL "feminine" or "masculine." There are feminine cis men and masculine cis women.

In fact, you may not even feel like you're the wrong gender... but you feel like something is wrong in how you perceive the world and yourself. And it manifests in distressingly subtle ways.


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DarkRoast
01/26/23 3:55:56 PM
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The depersonalization is absolutely horrible. It destroys your life.

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The_shibe
01/26/23 8:53:29 PM
#36:


DarkRoast posted...
Another thing - transgender isn't about whether or not you FEEL "feminine" or "masculine." There are feminine cis men and masculine cis women.

In fact, you may not even feel like you're the wrong gender... but you feel like something is wrong in how you perceive the world and yourself. And it manifests in distressingly subtle ways.

This intrigues me.

So you feel like a guy, but it's not a masculine or feminine feeling.

How does it manifest? (you mentioned it's distressingly subtle ways).

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DarkRoast
01/26/23 9:44:01 PM
#37:


The_shibe posted...
This intrigues me.

So you feel like a guy, but it's not a masculine or feminine feeling.

How does it manifest? (you mentioned it's distressingly subtle ways).

Little things like you're not comfortable in the locker room or bathroom when others are there. But over time it gets worse and you start to view the world almost like you're not in it.

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The_Top_Crusader
01/26/23 11:22:15 PM
#38:


Appreciate the post TC. It isnt something I personally have experienced and so I can never really totally get it I dont think, but good explanation.

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DarkRoast
01/27/23 7:28:30 AM
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The_Top_Crusader posted...
Appreciate the post TC. It isnt something I personally have experienced and so I can never really totally get it I dont think, but good explanation.


I tried my best. I can say it was easily the most humbling experience I've ever had


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Ruvan22
01/27/23 8:24:22 AM
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That's some awesome transparent honesty and self reflection :)
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DarkRoast
01/27/23 8:47:26 AM
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The hardest thing for me to grasp, and truly it is quite humbling, is the reality that you don't have a choice. Your brain chooses who you are, and no matter how hard you fight it, your choices are transitioning or continuing to disassociate with reality. That's it.

Being trans, especially early on, is sort of a "this is fucking bullshit" feeling because even though you might be somewhat intrigued by it, it's also something you know you have to do even if you have reservations.

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SHRlKE
01/27/23 8:50:38 AM
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Different cultures have different gender archetypes. Its crazy to think you could be born into another time and place where men are culturally more what we currently consider feminine and probably not have any worries in the world.
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SHRlKE
01/27/23 8:51:57 AM
#43:


DarkRoast posted...
The hardest thing for me to grasp, and truly it is quite humbling, is the reality that you don't have a choice. Your brain chooses who you are, and no matter how hard you fight it, your choices are transitioning or continuing to disassociate with reality. That's it.

Being trans, especially early on, is sort of a "this is fucking bullshit" feeling because even though you might be somewhat intrigued by it, it's also something you know you have to do even if you have reservations.

Would you like to transition or are you happy just expressing yourself as your real gender?
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DarkRoast
01/27/23 8:53:18 AM
#44:


SHRlKE posted...
Would you like to transition or are you happy just expressing yourself as your real gender?

My gut tells me that once these pregnancy hormones go away, I might want to go back to being male.
But for the time being, I have rather enjoyed the gender euphoria of being female.

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DarkRoast
01/27/23 9:35:05 AM
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Besides, it's kind of fun to wear cute stuff.

But you didn't hear that from me.

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SHRlKE
01/27/23 12:34:35 PM
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Would you be happy as a sex:man with female:gender wearing womens clothes or do you feel your sex needs to match your gender for you to be happy?

Its not often I actually have someone to ask these questions to so hope you dont mind me asking.
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DarkRoast
01/27/23 1:50:48 PM
#47:


SHRlKE posted...
Would you be happy as a sex:man with female:gender wearing womens clothes or do you feel your sex needs to match your gender for you to be happy?

Its not often I actually have someone to ask these questions to so hope you dont mind me asking.

This is going to sound weird, but I think @ElatedVenusaur and @gunplagirl will agree with me. It's really not about your gender. It's about who you actually are inside, not the person that you thought you had to be. But when that person is a different gender than the one you're currently attempting to be, it's significantly more impactful on your ability to understand the world around you. You depersonalize and view everything as if its some kind of weird fantasy.

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DarkRoast
01/27/23 2:22:04 PM
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Hope that helps

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SHRlKE
01/27/23 2:25:02 PM
#49:


I guess what Im asking is do you think youre sex and gender need to match? Or is it more a case of wanting people to treat you as your gender and transitioning helps facilitate that?
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DarkRoast
01/27/23 2:33:24 PM
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SHRlKE posted...
I guess what Im asking is do you think youre sex and gender need to match? Or is it more a case of wanting people to treat you as your gender and transitioning helps facilitate that?

I know what you mean by that, but it's hard to answer.

It's not really about your sex/gender - it's way, way deeper than that. It's more like your inner self vs the body you're forced to live in.

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