Board 8 > Is Zack Snyder's Justice League a marked improvement over the theatrical cut?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Wanted to know where the board stands on this. Also not voting because I haven't seen either.

Yes, but pointlessly long and imo still nothing special

Its an improvement, but its also ridiculously long and still not amazing

Wow

At least now the movie can be edited down to a good flick

From what I heard the plot is pretty much the same, so the reasons it would be so much better are due to more fleshed-out characterizations for the title team, a better handling of tone, and vastly improved editing. I imagine the tone issue is a big reason why it got so much better reviews than Snyder's previous DCEU work due to finding a happier medium between lightheartedness and Snyder's previous grimdark films.

I'm also growing to resent the whole idea of a "dark" Batman, between not having any problems with the campiness of the Schumacher films (they suck, yes, but not because of that) and finding the Nolan films to not be nearly as dark as they're reputed as being since they still have moments of levity and an overall idealistic tone. I saw Batman Begins yesterday, so that was the inspiration for making this topic.

htaeD posted...

At least now the movie can be edited down to a good flick

Can it? You need to cut out almost half the movie and still have it work.

Looks like yes is winning mostly because LOL Josstice League

And oh my has the tide turned against Joss. Even as someone who really liked Firefly, it is glorious.

haven't seen the snyder cut but i wouldn't say the original being so bad is whedon's fault. it's mostly WB's fault because after snyder stepped back, they literally thought whedon would be a good replacement for seemingly no other reason than "well, he made a superhero ensemble movie that people liked, right?" even michael bay would have been a better fit.

Who would say no yo this? It is an enormous improvement and actually enjoyable. The theatrical cut is bad and also bland, its not even memorably awful. The Snyder Cut is a good film that would have been a great 3 hours 15 minute film - I would like to see Snyders theatrical cut, I suspect it could be really good.

Also, Zack Snyder doesnt need a LOL. Hes a passable director with weird fans. He only has two true stinkers (not counting theatrical Justice League) and one of those was cut to ribbons by the studio. Sucker Punch is legitimately awful though.

Yeah that's mostly me being mad at Snyder cultists, similar to how I used to nickname a certain someone "Jar Jar Abrams" before I decided to knock it off.

I have seen some YT personalities voice the opinion that the Snyder cut isn't actually that much better than the original version.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

haven't seen the snyder cut but i wouldn't say the original being so bad is whedon's fault. it's mostly WB's fault because after snyder stepped back, they literally thought whedon would be a good replacement for seemingly no other reason than "well, he made a superhero ensemble movie that people liked, right?" even michael bay would have been a better fit.

A lot of it is because details regarding Justice League's production mushroomed into actors from other Whedon productions speaking out against him. Not to mention lingering backlash against Age of Ultron, and apparently on set Whedon once addressed Wonder Woman as "Natasha" and was generally unpleasant to Gal Gadot and Ray Fisher.

Why are we arguing over glorified fanfiction, essentially brought to life, for the big screen?

In hindsight it feels like the Snyder cut got good reviews due to being practically the perfect film for the time it came out. Which makes it having a sub-80% Tomatometer result look kind of damning.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

In hindsight it feels like the Snyder cut got good reviews due to being practically the perfect film for the time it came out.

..what does this mean?

Since everyone was stuck in their homes due to the pandemic.

Lightning Strikes posted...

Sucker Punch is legitimately awful though.

I liked Sucker Punch, but I love a movie with a strong visual style that evokes the right mood, and I can forgive a lot in terms of writing and acting if it has that. I know that's not for most people though.

Lightning Strikes posted...

Also, Zack Snyder doesnt need a LOL. Hes a passable director with weird fans. He only has two true stinkers (not counting theatrical Justice League) and one of those was cut to ribbons by the studio. Sucker Punch is legitimately awful though.

haven't seen army of the dead but that one was also very poorly received.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

In hindsight it feels like the Snyder cut got good reviews due to being practically the perfect film for the time it came out. Which makes it having a sub-80% Tomatometer result look kind of damning.

What are you even talking about?

Yes, difference is night and day.

Yeah I think the problem is some fairly prominent YT personalities not thinking the long version of Justice League is all that much better than the theatrical cut, such as MauLer (along with some people he invited onto a podcast), Bob Chipman, and Smeghead (of Cinematic Excrement fame) due to not much of the plot being changed.

I love you

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Yeah I think the problem is some fairly prominent YT personalities not thinking the long version of Justice League is all that much better than the theatrical cut, such as MauLer (along with some people he invited onto a podcast), Bob Chipman, and Smeghead (of Cinematic Excrement fame) due to not much of the plot being changed.

Im sorry, theres a guy who calls himself Smeghead?

Wow, I almost treated this like a real discussion. A real discussion started by LMS. But then he has to pull out that same bullshit nonsense.

Dear LMS, why not just have a discussion with B8 and not bring in YT shitposters? Why don't you just have a discussion with us? You were doing so well, why do you have to stir up the Internet's worst garbage?

MrGreenonion posted...

I liked Sucker Punch, but I love a movie with a strong visual style that evokes the right mood, and I can forgive a lot in terms of writing and acting if it has that. I know that's not for most people though.

I don't know if anyone has told you this before, but Sucker Punch is legitimately awful. :p

ChichiriMuyo posted...

Wow, I almost treated this like a real discussion. A real discussion started by LMS. But then he has to pull out that same bullshit nonsense.

Dear LMS, why not just have a discussion with B8 and not bring in YT shitposters? Why don't you just have a discussion with us? You were doing so well, why do you have to stir up the Internet's worst garbage?

I get why people are irritated by it but wow. I figured people on this board would at least be familiar with ONE of the three I mentioned, but I guess not.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I figured people on this board would at least be familiar with ONE of the three I mentioned, but I guess not.

people on this board don't even know who mrbeast is. not sure why you would expect us to be familiar with three youtubers with few sucscribers.

ChichiriMuyo posted...

Wow, I almost treated this like a real discussion. A real discussion started by LMS. But then he has to pull out that same bullshit nonsense.

Dear LMS, why not just have a discussion with B8 and not bring in YT shitposters? Why don't you just have a discussion with us? You were doing so well, why do you have to stir up the Internet's worst garbage?

that's your own fault

he even admitted to not seeing either film in the original post - of course this was prompted by him watching youtube videos. you don't just wake up and think "hmm, I want to talk to internet strangers about two films I haven't seen which came out a year(s) ago"

ChichiriMuyo posted...

I don't know if anyone has told you this before, but Sucker Punch is legitimately awful. :p

Your words cannot harm me.

I want to add I genuinely think there are only three good live-action solo Batman films. Haven't seen The Dark Knight Rises since it came out though.

I've heard of Bob Chipman, but he sounds like such a pillock that I wish I hadn't.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I want to add I genuinely think there are only three good live-action solo Batman films. Haven't seen The Dark Knight Rises since it came out though.

I'll guess Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are two of those, but what's the third? I can't decide between The Dark Knight Rises (the mention could go either way in terms of your opinion on it), Batman 1989 or Batman Returns. It may even be Batman Forever as a wildcard.

On topic, I enjoyed the Snyder Cut and thought it was a big improvement on the original version. Cyborg's significantly expanded role provides the emotional core that Josstice League lacks.

The first Burton movie. Remember not liking Returns. And for all Forever's faults, I'd say it's at least closer to the Burton movies in quality than it is its own sequel.

Yes, I did watch both Schumacher Batman movies last year in honor of his passing. I regret nothing.