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Antifar 12/21/21 2:16:12 PM #1: |
https://twitter.com/mstratford/status/1473361814071226370 Hmm --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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obsolete 12/21/21 2:16:45 PM #2: |
Hmm do I wanna lose voters? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 12/21/21 2:17:05 PM #3: |
"Considering" So basically payments are definitely starting February --- MSI MEG X570 Unify | Ryzen 7 5800X | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 3080 Samsung Odyssey G7 32" - 1440p, 240hz, GSync ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IronWolf87 12/21/21 2:21:06 PM #4: |
Don't jerk people around with this shit. If you're gonna pause them then do so otherwise shut the fuck up and continue to get made a fool of by Manchin. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheGoldenEel 12/21/21 2:24:13 PM #5: |
Astonishing that this administration couldnt figure out before announcing that this would be hugely unpopular --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wolfesth6090 12/21/21 2:24:26 PM #6: |
When they do it. Will the progressives be grateful? Absolutely not. They'll just go back to complaining that $50,000 wasn't forgiven for everyone. So we can transfer close to a trillion dollars of wealth to the top 1/3 of income earners in the country. Funnily enough that type of blanket forgiveness is unpopular with the majority of the electorate. So is it worth banking on the votes of a demographic that couldn't turn up to vote Sanders in vs the other demographics who actually vote in elections and might get rather bent out of shape with these measures. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 12/21/21 2:28:32 PM #7: |
Wolfesth6090 posted... When they do it. Will the progressives be grateful?Grateful for having to yell at the administration to get it to not do the thing they didn't have to do in the first place? --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wolfesth6090 12/21/21 2:31:39 PM #8: |
Antifar posted... Grateful for having to yell at the administration to get it to not do the thing they didn't have to do in the first place? Exactly. Don't do it or do do it. It doesn't matter to progressives they"ll never vote Biden in the general or even bother to turn up in the mid terms for the Dems. Why risk alienating your reliable voter base to try and appease a minority demographic that hates you and won't vote for you anyway. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sktgamer_13dude 12/21/21 2:33:05 PM #9: |
Still waiting for that $10,000 payment towards my loans that Biden kept talking about too. Also take away interest from federal loans. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alpha218 12/21/21 2:34:35 PM #10: |
lol fuck pausing again, just give people loan forgiveness. Even if its just partial forgiveness, that goes a hell of a long way --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://discord.gg/vzpsef2tJc - Join us for games || https://bit.ly/39z7PHA - YouTube ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 12/21/21 2:35:33 PM #11: |
At the very least, interest on federal loans should just match the rate of inflation. --- #FeelTheBern http://i.imgur.com/q5z4CUu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6B9oFXh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sy42Dlf.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sktgamer_13dude 12/21/21 2:35:56 PM #12: |
Alpha218 posted... lol fuck pausing again, just give people loan forgiveness. Even if its just partial forgiveness, that goes a hell of a long way I mean, theres no reason they cant do both. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nexigrams 12/21/21 2:47:17 PM #13: |
Oh wow one whole payment eh? What a guy, how very generous of him. Fucking scumbag president. --- http://imgur.com/SYiqIRC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kawalimus 12/21/21 2:51:59 PM #14: |
Wolfesth6090 posted... When they do it. Will the progressives be grateful? Nobody fucking owes politicians their gratitude. Not even if the president were Bernie Sanders. Their acting in the best interests of the population should be expected of them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PatrickMahomes 12/21/21 2:55:03 PM #16: |
hmm let me see https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/8/4/AAeQkrAACudY.png ah ok payments will restart on wednesday november 9th --- https://i.imgur.com/cEQy3f4.png / https://i.imgur.com/gWKaLHC.png https://i.imgur.com/u6JR7qX.jpeg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IronWolf87 12/21/21 2:59:26 PM #17: |
PatrickMahomes posted... hmm let me see Lol I could see this happening ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cjsdowg 12/21/21 2:59:49 PM #18: |
Well I hope they extend it . However this has already hurt them in a time when it was just stupid for them do open themselves up like this. --- To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships. W.E.B. Du Bois ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wolfesth6090 12/21/21 3:04:31 PM #19: |
kawalimus posted... Nobody fucking owes politicians their gratitude. Not even if the president were Bernie Sanders. You mean the 46 million people out of 328 million should have $1.6 trillion of debt forgiven. You want to explain how giving a massive tax payer funded boost to 18% of the population paid for mainly by the other 82% is in the best interests of the population as a whole? The 46 million BTW who are overwhelmingly going to be in the top 1/3 of income earners for the rest of their lives? I have no problem with zeroing out interest payments and partial debt forgiveness on a means tested basis. But blanket forgiveness is a non starter and politically damaging as fuck. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/21/21 3:10:10 PM #21: |
If you weren't using the moratorium as an opportunity to beat the hell out your loans while interest wasn't accumulating, you did it wrong. Forgiveness was never going to happen, and if it did, you'd barely miss qualifying for it anyway. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkprince45 12/21/21 3:11:58 PM #22: |
Where did we come up with the idea that all students loans should just be forgiven lol --- https://s6.gifyu.com/images/FAA2F70E-9A97-44BC-A273-317FBB843AE2.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PatrickMahomes 12/21/21 3:12:37 PM #23: |
darkprince45 posted... Where did we come up with the idea that all students loans should just be forgiven lolcrazytown --- https://i.imgur.com/cEQy3f4.png / https://i.imgur.com/gWKaLHC.png https://i.imgur.com/u6JR7qX.jpeg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/21/21 3:13:47 PM #24: |
darkprince45 posted... Where did we come up with the idea that all students loans should just be forgiven lolA handful of crooked schools imploded, and their suckered-in students had their loans discharged. Then it became a runaway "why not meeeee?!" dogpile. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Intro2Logic 12/21/21 3:23:21 PM #25: |
darkprince45 posted... Where did we come up with the idea that all students loans should just be forgiven lolThese articles do a good job, imo, of laying out the rationale https://theappeal.org/the-lab/research/the-case-for-cancelling-student-debt/ Student debt should be cancelled because borrowers havent realized the income gains that would enable them to pay it off, the burden of student debt weighs especially heavily on the historically marginalized, and a good deal if not a majority of outstanding student debt isnt going to be repaid anyway. Why should the government grind pointless payments out of its borrowers for the next many decades?https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/22383450/student-debt-forgiveness-biden-astra-taylor --- Have you tried thinking rationally? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/21/21 3:26:09 PM #26: |
If student loans really are an investment in the future, they never should have had interest at all. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Krojen 12/21/21 3:26:57 PM #27: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] --- http://i.imgur.com/hI4hAMb.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 12/21/21 3:27:26 PM #28: |
so am I supposed to be getting a tax credit or something if I've been paying my loans this whole time? Navient didn't put shit on hold --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/21/21 3:28:32 PM #29: |
thronedfire2 posted... so am I supposed to be getting a tax credit or something if I've been paying my loans this whole time?...have you not been claiming the interest deduction? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 12/21/21 3:29:47 PM #30: |
Student loan forgiveness that isn't explicitly tied to legislation to address the underlying causes is just a giant waste of everybody's time. At best you've picked an arbitrary slice of the population to give free money to and then the very next year there will be a whole new contingent of people with loans that are just as big. At worst it does that, but also scuttles any attempt to actually deal with University costs for another decade or more as people push back on bills using the excuse that they already paid people. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cjsdowg 12/21/21 3:30:31 PM #31: |
darkprince45 posted... Where did we come up with the idea that all students loans should just be forgiven lol Until like 20 years ago it would file bankruptcy and get them wiped. But thanks to Biden you can't do that anymore. Literally it was away out of a them for most of the time they existed. Now it is not , when the price of schools have gone like 10 fold --- To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships. W.E.B. Du Bois ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/21/21 3:30:34 PM #32: |
s0nicfan posted... Student loan forgiveness that isn't explicitly tied to legislation to address the underlying causes is just a giant waste of everybody's time.Step 1. Stop making it worse. Kill off the Directloans program entirely. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jagr_68 12/21/21 3:33:26 PM #33: |
DarthAragorn posted... "Considering" --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheGoldenEel 12/21/21 3:33:53 PM #34: |
darkprince45 posted... Where did we come up with the idea that all students loans should just be forgiven lolBecause college is a scam and fucking something has to be done about it https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/2/9/AAW8UqAACueF.jpg --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sktgamer_13dude 12/21/21 3:35:43 PM #35: |
thronedfire2 posted... so am I supposed to be getting a tax credit or something if I've been paying my loans this whole time? Navient didn't put shit on hold They've been put in forbearance, which means they don't get interest and they're not owed, but you can continue to pay them off if you want to with any amount. At least if they're federal loans. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/21/21 3:48:04 PM #37: |
TheGoldenEel posted... Because college is a scam and fucking something has to be done about it1979: Guaranteed Student Loan Improvement Act of 1979 1992: William D. Ford Act Federal Direct Loan Program 2003: Reauthorization of the Higher Education Act of 1965 Easy money made it easier for schools to jack up tuition. https://www.forbes.com/sites/prestoncooper2/2017/02/22/how-unlimited-student-loans-drive-up-tuition/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheGoldenEel 12/21/21 3:50:19 PM #38: |
Questionmarktarius posted... 1979: Guaranteed Student Loan Improvement Act of 1979Yes, ideally some policy to curb tuition costs would go hand in hand with debt relief for the people who already got scammed --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gwynevere 12/21/21 3:52:39 PM #39: |
Even partial student loan forgiveness would probably be one of the biggest economic stimuli I've seen in my lifetime Everything about it makes sense but still won't happen --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/21/21 3:53:12 PM #40: |
TheGoldenEel posted... Yes, ideally some policy to curb tuition costs would go hand in hand with debt relief for the people who already got scammedZero out interest indefinitely. Shift aid from loans to straight-up grants. Tighten down loan limits. Nudge students into degrees that are actually needed. Remind everyone that the Peace Corps exists, and maybe add several more "do this shit and we'll cancel your loans" service programs. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wolfesth6090 12/21/21 3:53:36 PM #41: |
TheGoldenEel posted... Yes, ideally some policy to curb tuition costs would go hand in hand with debt relief for the people who already got scammed The people who have been scammed are already being refunded.And curbing tuition costs should be the priority. Otherwise we'll be back here again in 5 years time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PiOverlord 12/21/21 3:54:52 PM #42: |
Please do. I would like to save up money longer. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 33, 500th posts: 31; PiO ATTN: 6 RotM wins 1, LETTEN MY ARROW FLYEN TRUE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wolfesth6090 12/21/21 3:56:44 PM #43: |
Questionmarktarius posted... Zero out interest indefinitely. If we go down the grant route then the qualifying criteria needs to be massively raised if the government and taxpayers are going to be paying directly. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 12/21/21 3:58:25 PM #44: |
Gwynevere posted... Even partial student loan forgiveness would probably be one of the biggest economic stimuli I've seen in my lifetime You've already seen that, though. The covid relief bill was twice as big as the biggest stimulus that had ever been passed in the history of the country. The biggest one before that was Obama's $800 billion investment bill. The roughly 1 trillion dollar infrastructure bill that was recently passed sits roughly in between but I'm not counting it because it isn't a relief bill. Unless you address the underlying causes, throwing bigger and bigger checks at people isn't going to fix anything. We need to stop thinking that the solution to these problems is to pass an unbelievably large bill that just throws money at people once so we can pat ourselves on the back. It's highly destructive and actively making things worse. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheGoldenEel 12/21/21 3:58:47 PM #45: |
Wolfesth6090 posted... The people who have been scammed are already being refunded.And curbing tuition costs should be the priority. Otherwise we'll be back here again in 5 years time.The people who have been scammed are everyone who has been to college for the past three decades --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/21/21 3:59:16 PM #46: |
Wolfesth6090 posted... If we go down the grant route then the qualifying criteria needs to be massively raised if the government and taxpayers are going to be paying.There's always the option of yet another standardized test (or even just the ol' ASVAB), to see who's potentially good at what, then throw grants at poor kids to go into that. "These test results strongly suggest you'd make a decent bride engineer - here's a pile of money, if you go engineering school" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wolfesth6090 12/21/21 4:00:16 PM #47: |
TheGoldenEel posted... The people who have been scammed are everyone who has been to college for the past three decades Everyone huh? Yeah pointless engaging with you in this topic. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/21/21 4:01:35 PM #49: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] That's... how they work right now. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sktgamer_13dude 12/21/21 4:08:40 PM #50: |
Wolfesth6090 posted...
Same with you, whosever alt you are lmao --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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