Board 8 > MCU General 5: Multiversal Shenanigans

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Hi fellas.

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Can we get Japanese Spider-Man in the MCU now?

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Who says we haven't already?

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Grand Kirby posted...

Can we get Japanese Spider-Man in the MCU now?

How do we know hes not already in No Way Home?

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italian spiderman is gonna be in no way home

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Eternals is desperately trying not to be the first MCU film with a Rotten rating on the Tomatometer.

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Just got out of Eternals, honestly I thought it was pretty good!

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BetrayedTangy posted...

Just got out of Eternals, honestly I thought it was pretty good!

This has been the reaction from a lot of people I trust so I'm pretty excited to see it in a week or so!

I'll probably go watch it this weekend because MCU and the kids want to, bit I have zero hype for it.

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BetrayedTangy posted...

Just got out of Eternals, honestly I thought it was pretty good!

Anything exciting teased in the movie or credit scenes?

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I get the feeling critics are being overly harsh on it due to the director being fresh off of an Oscar win, the way we've been generally getting inundated with MCU content this year, and Shang-Chi setting the bar fairly high for them.

One thing not regarding Eternals: I didn't like Loki at all, but it seems one of the most frequent criticisms of the series is that he's less competent than in prior appearances. I don't really get it, since it was easy for me to simply think Loki is bewildered at his new predicament and otherwise he's the same trickster I know and love.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Anything exciting teased in the movie or credit scenes?

Yes.

Main Movie The Celestials are likely going to play a huge role going forward and the ending may even suggest a threat greater than them.

End Credit 1 - We get Starfox and Pip the Troll, I'm really interested in this as it may mean we get Thanos back somehow

End Credit 2 - Black Knight tease, I'm actually really hyped about this one. Especially since a mysterious voice is heard at the end of it. I wasn't ready for it, so I can't really recall who it was, but gut reaction was Nick Fury.

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BetrayedTangy posted...

End Credit 2 - Black Knight tease, I'm actually really hyped about this one. Especially since a mysterious voice is heard at the end of it. I wasn't ready for it, so I can't really recall who it was, but gut reaction was Nick Fury.

It's been confirmed that the voice was Blade.

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Grand Kirby posted...

It's been confirmed that the voice was Blade.

Oh! That's really cool, I heard that was a possibility, glad it's confirmed!

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Damn those are juicy deets for going forward.

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Also maybe the critics don't find the main characters relatable because they're non-interventionist deities? At this point there are so many asterisks when it comes to professional critics even before we take any possible outside meddling into account.

I know the real reason why Captain Marvel got her own movie before Black Widow did (because former Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter mandated every movie have a white male lead to attract audiences and Feige had to beg and plead just to get Captain Marvel greenlit, and Feige prioritized that and Black Panther because he personally wanted to see them filmed), but I can't help but wonder if maybe Captain Marvel was seen as being a more marketable character than Black Widow or Scarlet Witch. She just seems like a more larger-than-life figure compared to those two.

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Superman and Superman adjacent heroes like Captain Marvel are the absolute worst.

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Not really

Eternals done.

That was pretty good and a wild ride. Definitely want to see where things go next with all this weird cosmic stuff now in play.

I get the feeling some people (you know who) just take glee whenever Disney stumbles. Yeah it's an evil money-grubbing corporation, but I don't typically let my feelings about a company get in the way of my opinions. At least I try not to in any case.

Honestly Disney hasn't really made fewer bad decisions than the other major studios, they've just made more good ones. I just get the feeling that since 2019 professional critics have started to turn on Disney and have let that cloud their judgements on movies like most of the remakes and Rise of Skywalker. Yeah those movies aren't very good but there's not much reason for them to suddenly turn on Disney otherwise.

(oh no I brought up Star Wars help)

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Stop posting about watching angry YouTubers

Of course the fact that you're at least semi-self-aware of your own shtick at this point means you'll never stop

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Yeah those movies aren't very good but there's not much reason for them to suddenly turn on Disney otherwise.

i mean, if disney doesn't turn out good movies, it's understandable that they don't get good reviews. i wouldn't say this is evidence of an evil anti-disney scheme among critics.

also, shang-chi has a critic score of 92% on rottentomatoes. so it's not like all post-RoS disney movies automatically get panned.

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It's neither here nor there but it seems somewhat arbitrary for the remakes of Dumbo, Aladdin, and The Lion King to be graded Rotten on RT when even the Beauty and the Beast remake was deemed Fresh (there's a movie no one talks about! 2nd-highest grossing movie of 2017 behind The Last Jedi, wow). Similar for Rise of Skywalker to suddenly have an RT score in the 50s when its two predecessors got scores in the 90s. Although yeah at this point I'm probably just doing some mental gymnastics.

I do honestly think Rise of Skywalker would have still graded fresh on the Tomatometer if it hadn't come out after Avengers: Endgame (not that this constitutes a defense of the movie, mind). Not to mention 2019 was widely agreed to be a much better year for movies than 2015 and 2017. By the end of the day though RT is really a rough guideline and nothing more. My dad taught me when I was young not to put so much stock in reviews since the reviewers have their own personal biases and that's becoming increasingly evident. I guess I'm more complaining about others putting too much stock in RT.

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Leonhart4 posted...

Stop posting about watching angry YouTubers

Of course the fact that you're at least semi-self-aware of your own shtick at this point means you'll never stop

I guess I meant more as a general contrast.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

It's neither here nor there but it seems somewhat arbitrary for the remakes of Dumbo, Aladdin, and The Lion King to be graded Rotten on RT when even the Beauty and the Beast remake was deemed Fresh (there's a movie no one talks about! 2nd-highest grossing movie of 2017 behind The Last Jedi, wow). Similar for Rise of Skywalker to suddenly have an RT score in the 50s when its two predecessors got scores in the 90s. Although yeah at this point I'm probably just doing some mental gymnastics.

yeah, TFA and TLJ are both a lot better than RoS, so i don't think the discrepancy in the scores is that notable. TLJ was a controversial movie but it was still competently made, which is more than i can say for RoS.

aladdin was pretty fun but it came out before RoS, so i don't think it's relevant to your argument. its low RT score can't be because of post-RoS backlash.

(and why is any movie with a sub-60% score "rotten" anyway? on a 0-100 scale, 57 is still above average. pretty stupid system.)

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I didn't necessarily mean the backlash started with Rise of Skywalker. I cited "most of the remakes" for a reason.

God those things are so forgettable. In hindsight all the fuss about Avatar leaving surprisingly little impact for such a financially successful movie looks quaint. I think your average person on the street remembers it better than, say, any of the sequel trilogy movies, let alone the Disney remakes (I'd say "live-action" but The Lion King remake isn't technically even that).

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

My dad taught me when I was young not to put so much stock in reviews

Clearly he didn't do a good job

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what a rebel

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Clearly he didn't do a good job

I know, it has mostly been over the last few years I've really begun to understand.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

I know, it has mostly been over the last few years I've really begun to understand.

no you haven't

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

I know, it has mostly been over the last few years I've really begun to understand.

bruh we've been telling you here for over a decade

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To be fair I've always had that stance towards Rotten Tomatoes.

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so you haven't actually learned anything

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It's more that it has become more apparent to me is all.

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Becoming self-aware doesn't mean anything if it doesn't result in a change in behavior.

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Daddy gave you good advice

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Spider-Man: No Way Home poster tomorrow!

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Eternals has my favorite depiction of a speedster on film so far.

Makkari was awesome and the way they depicted her speed worked so well.

One thing to ask not Eternals-related: why has there been so much pushback to Steve travelling back in time to be with Peggy when there was previously negative reactions to Steve hooking up with her daughter Sharon? I guess the idea is that Steve has moved on since then, which would be lost on me since I haven't seen Winter Soldier and don't really remember Civil War.

I was half-thinking of posting more shenanigans from the, uh, anti-Disney/progressive group but it's all the same old stuff that makes no sense when you put two brain cells together. I was caught off-guard by how much bile was being spewed towards Captain Marvel, including someone saying they thought Elektra was 1000 times better (lol) in addition to two people giving me non-answers when I asked how an intangible entity like Disney is able to buy something tangible like box-office, and someone insisting that Black Panther was a bad movie that got a pass solely on the grounds of diversity. Nothing new really and it's why I stopped following it to such an extent. The fact I keep bringing it up though says words about the lens I primarily see the MCU through.

It's mostly these peoples' beef with Captain Marvel I don't get, despite me personally finding the movie to not do anything well beyond what the MCU typically does well. Actually no I do get it because saying anything bad about white men or sexualization gets this kind of backlash. Eep.

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I mean the Winter Soldier is maybe the best MCU film so I have no response except to go watch it

As for Captain Marvel, I don't think we need to re-litigate the complaints of deplorables

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

The fact I keep bringing it up though says words about the lens I primarily see the MCU through.

it says words about a lot of things, most of them not good

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It just seems weird to me to cite Captain Marvel specifically as THE worst MCU movie, especially like that.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

why has there been so much pushback to Steve travelling back in time to be with Peggy when there was previously negative reactions to Steve hooking up with her daughter Sharon?

what does one have to do with the other

oh it's LMS

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Sharon's not even Peggy's daughter lol

if only Steve knew what kind of woman Sharon really is

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Okay granddaughter, argh I don't remember everything!

EDIT: Whoops, grand-niece!

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