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Darmik 09/21/21 6:54:22 PM #1:	A whole bunch of them sent death threats to the developers. A lot still whine about Druckmann to this day. I remember the original interpretations of controlling Abby in the second half of the game to hunt down and kill both Joel and Ellie and they would be seen as the villains of the game. I remember people also saying that Abby was trans. Neither of these were correct. Then the game came out and despite predictions to the contrary the discourse overall calmed down. It proceeded to be both a sales and critical success. Although for some bizarre reason Ghost of Tsushima is sometimes pitted against it. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958275968] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>A whole bunch of them sent death threats to the developers. A lot still whine about Druckmann to this day. I remember the original interpretations of controlling Abby in the second half of the game to hunt down and kill both Joel and Ellie and they would be seen as the villains of the game. I remember people also saying that Abby was trans. Neither of these were correct. Then the game came out and despite predictions to the contrary the discourse overall calmed down. It proceeded to be both a sales and critical success. Although for some bizarre reason Ghost of Tsushima is sometimes pitted against it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRadiant 09/21/21 6:57:49 PM #2:	I literally called Joel's death in the first teaser I don't know how anyone was shocked by it --- She/her <cite>TheRadiant posted [p:958276066] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>I literally called Joel's death in the first teaser I don't know how anyone was shocked by it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 09/21/21 6:59:08 PM #3:	Didnt a Call of Duty developer get death threats because of some small change to a multiplayer mechanic? --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:958276100] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Didnt a Call of Duty developer get death threats because of some small change to a multiplayer mechanic? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 09/21/21 7:00:22 PM #4:	The Abby is trans thing also stems from the sex scene as for a good few people on TLOU2 board vaginal sex from behind was an alien concept. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:958276146] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>The Abby is trans thing also stems from the sex scene as for a good few people on TLOU2 board vaginal sex from behind was an alien concept. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 09/21/21 7:01:38 PM #5:	I wasn't angry, just disappointed. I remember losing my damn mind when TLoU2 was first revealed, and then to have my hype train derail that abruptly and completely was just tragic. --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:958276188] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>I wasn't angry, just disappointed. I remember losing my damn mind when TLoU2 was first revealed, and then to have my hype train derail that abruptly and completely was just tragic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/21/21 7:04:47 PM #6:	TheRadiant posted... I literally called Joel's death in the first teaser I don't know how anyone was shocked by it Originally the anger was twisted to make it that it was more about him being portrayed as a villain. People still purposefully misinterpret the game this way. iPhone_7 posted... Didnt a Call of Duty developer get death threats because of some small change to a multiplayer mechanic? Yep --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958276287] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>TheRadiant posted... </cite> <quote>I literally called Joel's death in the first teaser I don't know how anyone was shocked by it</quote> Originally the anger was twisted to make it that it was more about him being portrayed as a villain. People still purposefully misinterpret the game this way. iPhone_7 posted... </cite> <quote>Didnt a Call of Duty developer get death threats because of some small change to a multiplayer mechanic?</quote> Yep </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stalolin 09/21/21 7:05:22 PM #7:	I think that leak did a lot to shape overall opinion of the game. I wonder how it would have been received if that never happened. --- "Our selves are something we create, not discover." <cite>Stalolin posted [p:958276306] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>I think that leak did a lot to shape overall opinion of the game. I wonder how it would have been received if that never happened. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 09/21/21 7:06:55 PM #8:	Joel would have pissed people of regardless as so many people missed the point of his character and pit him up as a hero for some reason. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:958276351] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Joel would have pissed people of regardless as so many people missed the point of his character and pit him up as a hero for some reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/21/21 7:07:19 PM #9:	Stalolin posted... I think that leak did a lot to shape overall opinion of the game. I wonder how it would have been received if that never happened. Assuming the TV show is successful enough to adapt the sequel I wonder how it will be received there. TV audiences are a lot more used to stuff like this. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958276365] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Stalolin posted... </cite> <quote>I think that leak did a lot to shape overall opinion of the game. I wonder how it would have been received if that never happened.</quote> Assuming the TV show is successful enough to adapt the sequel I wonder how it will be received there. TV audiences are a lot more used to stuff like this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stalolin 09/21/21 7:08:28 PM #10:	spikethedevil posted... Joel would have pissed people of regardless as so many people missed the point of his character and pit him up as a hero for some reason. True but I think a lot of that discussion was co-opted by certain online groups who had never played either game. At least it would have been a slower trickle and more confined to actual fans, who would experience everything in context. --- "Our selves are something we create, not discover." <cite>Stalolin posted [p:958276399] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>spikethedevil posted... </cite> <quote>Joel would have pissed people of regardless as so many people missed the point of his character and pit him up as a hero for some reason. </quote>True but I think a lot of that discussion was co-opted by certain online groups who had never played either game. At least it would have been a slower trickle and more confined to actual fans, who would experience everything in context. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 09/21/21 7:09:07 PM #11:	Stalolin posted... True but I think a lot of that discussion was co-opted by certain online groups who had never played either game. At least it would have been a slower trickle and more confined to actual fans, who would experience everything in context. Yeah very true. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:958276419] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Stalolin posted... </cite> <quote>True but I think a lot of that discussion was co-opted by certain online groups who had never played either game. At least it would have been a slower trickle and more confined to actual fans, who would experience everything in context.</quote> Yeah very true. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRadiant 09/21/21 7:09:07 PM #12:	Darmik posted... Originally the anger was twisted to make it that it was more about him being portrayed as a villain. People still purposefully misinterpret the game this way. My actual prediction from the first teaser was the Joel died early on and any appearance in game was something of a "spirit" adviser to Ellie or hallucination --- She/her <cite>TheRadiant posted [p:958276420] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Originally the anger was twisted to make it that it was more about him being portrayed as a villain. People still purposefully misinterpret the game this way.</quote>My actual prediction from the first teaser was the Joel died early on and any appearance in game was something of a "spirit" adviser to Ellie or hallucination </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheShadowViper 09/21/21 7:10:21 PM #13:	Last of Us 2's storyline was contrived garbage so I don't really see where you are going with this TC. It hasn't stopped being garbage. <cite>TheShadowViper posted [p:958276450] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Last of Us 2's storyline was contrived garbage so I don't really see where you are going with this TC. It hasn't stopped being garbage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThunderTrain 09/21/21 7:11:04 PM #14:	The game is still very meh and the story is garbage --- Without this nobody reads the last line of a post Look at all these slave masters posing on your dollar <cite>ThunderTrain posted [p:958276474] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>The game is still very meh and the story is garbage </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stalolin 09/21/21 7:13:27 PM #15:	TheShadowViper posted... Last of Us 2's storyline was contrived garbage so I don't really see where you are going with this TC. It hasn't stopped being garbage. Why is it garbage? --- "Our selves are something we create, not discover." <cite>Stalolin posted [p:958276556] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>TheShadowViper posted... </cite> <quote>Last of Us 2's storyline was contrived garbage so I don't really see where you are going with this TC. It hasn't stopped being garbage.</quote> Why is it garbage? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueBoy675 09/21/21 7:13:48 PM #16:	Gamers are petulant children who send death threats over the most petty fucking shit --- Hope rides alone <cite>BlueBoy675 posted [p:958276568] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Gamers are petulant children who send death threats over the most petty fucking shit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoseLuck2022462 09/21/21 7:14:14 PM #17:	The story was bad --- Mac Book Pro 16 - 6-Core i7-9750H @ 2.60GHz - 32gb DDR4 2667 MHz - Radeon Pro 5500M 8gb - 2TB Apple SSD Pon/Pone <cite>RoseLuck2022462 posted [p:958276580] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>The story was bad </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stalolin 09/21/21 7:16:21 PM #18:	RoseLuck2022462 posted... The story was bad Can you expand on that? --- "Our selves are something we create, not discover." <cite>Stalolin posted [p:958276643] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>RoseLuck2022462 posted... </cite> <quote>The story was bad</quote> Can you expand on that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maninstagnate 09/21/21 7:19:22 PM #19:	Neil Druckmann and the other developers were actually worried of the backlash they gotten from the leaks. https://screenrant.com/last-us-2-leaks-neil-druckmann-doubt-game/ I bet HBO has more control over the TV show's script and I doubt they would let Neil be able to kill off any of the major characters to replace them with unlikable ones. <cite>Maninstagnate posted [p:958276746] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Neil Druckmann and the other developers were actually worried of the backlash they gotten from the leaks. https://screenrant.com/last-us-2-leaks-neil-druckmann-doubt-game/ I bet HBO has more control over the TV show's script and I doubt they would let Neil be able to kill off any of the major characters to replace them with unlikable ones. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dj1200 09/21/21 7:19:23 PM #20:	spikethedevil posted... The Abby is trans thing also stems from the sex scene as for a good few people on TLOU2 board vaginal sex from behind was an alien concept. LOL and abby was hot imo --- "It was so ridiculous and I have so many feelings about it." -Virtual Energies <cite>dj1200 posted [p:958276748] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>spikethedevil posted... </cite> <quote>The Abby is trans thing also stems from the sex scene as for a good few people on TLOU2 board vaginal sex from behind was an alien concept.</quote> LOL and abby was hot imo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/21/21 7:21:02 PM #21:	Maninstagnate posted... Neil Druckmann and the other developers were actually worried of the backlash they gotten from the leaks. No shit. They were targeted with a lot of hate. Maninstagnate posted... I bet HBO has more control over the TV show's script and I doubt they would let Neil be able to kill off any of the major characters to replace them with unlikable ones. HBO is totally fine with killing off major characters. Joel would last one episode longer than Ned Stark did in GOT. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958276803] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Maninstagnate posted... </cite> <quote>Neil Druckmann and the other developers were actually worried of the backlash they gotten from the leaks.</quote> No shit. They were targeted with a lot of hate. Maninstagnate posted... </cite> <quote>I bet HBO has more control over the TV show's script and I doubt they would let Neil be able to kill off any of the major characters to replace them with unlikable ones.</quote> HBO is totally fine with killing off major characters. Joel would last one episode longer than Ned Stark did in GOT. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheShadowViper 09/21/21 7:21:53 PM #22:	Stalolin posted... Why is it garbage? You can find numerous youtube videos that are 40 minutes long describing the numerous examples of why The Last of Us 2's story is garbage. But I'll give you the jist, the story is a giant contrived mess dependent on extraordinary circumstances and characters carrying the idiot ball. Spoilers below. The game begins with Abby journeying from Seattle looking for someone she knows only by name and just happens to run into him in the middle of a snow storm while infected are attacking where they just happen to get herded towards her base where Joel and his brother just happen to forget they weren't complete morons allowing them to just happen to get caught without incident. This happens in order for Elle to witness Joel getting killed. Abby then just happens to spare Elle, despite Elle threatening her life and it generally being monumentally safer to just kill the person who threatened her life and the brother of the man she just brutally murdered and who had already pointed out he had allies nearby. Her decision results in the death of her entire team. Most people were not upset that Joel died, but rather that the circumstances of his death and plot around the game is laughable garbage with characters constantly holding the idiot ball in order to move the game forward. In order to enjoy the game, you have to either ignore the story, or be too dumb to see how poorly written it is. <cite>TheShadowViper posted [p:958276830] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Stalolin posted... </cite> <quote>Why is it garbage?</quote>You can find numerous youtube videos that are 40 minutes long describing the numerous examples of why The Last of Us 2's story is garbage. But I'll give you the jist, the story is a giant contrived mess dependent on extraordinary circumstances and characters carrying the idiot ball. Spoilers below. The game begins with Abby journeying from Seattle looking for someone she knows only by name and just happens to run into him in the middle of a snow storm while infected are attacking where they just happen to get herded towards her base where Joel and his brother just happen to forget they weren't complete morons allowing them to just happen to get caught without incident. This happens in order for Elle to witness Joel getting killed. Abby then just happens to spare Elle, despite Elle threatening her life and it generally being monumentally safer to just kill the person who threatened her life and the brother of the man she just brutally murdered and who had already pointed out he had allies nearby. Her decision results in the death of her entire team. Most people were not upset that Joel died, but rather that the circumstances of his death and plot around the game is laughable garbage with characters constantly holding the idiot ball in order to move the game forward. In order to enjoy the game, you have to either ignore the story, or be too dumb to see how poorly written it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 09/21/21 7:25:00 PM #23:	TLoU2 was still awful, but it didn't deserve half the hate it got. At least nowhere near the intensity. Granted I thought TLoU1 was bad too, they were both super generic. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:958276958] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>TLoU2 was still awful, but it didn't deserve half the hate it got. At least nowhere near the intensity. Granted I thought TLoU1 was bad too, they were both super generic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stalolin 09/21/21 7:25:21 PM #24:	TheShadowViper posted... You can find numerous youtube videos that are 40 minutes long describing the numerous examples of why The Last of Us 2's story is garbage. But I'll give you the jist, the story is a giant contrived mess dependent on extraordinary circumstances and characters carrying the idiot ball. Spoilers below. The game begins with Abby journeying from Seattle looking for someone she knows only by name and just happens to run into him in the middle of a snow storm while infected are attacking where they just happen to get herded towards her base where Joel and his brother just happen to forget they weren't complete morons allowing them to just happen to get caught without incident. This happens in order for Elle to witness Joel getting killed. Abby then just happens to spare Elle, despite Elle threatening her life and it generally being monumentally safer to just kill the person who threatened her life and the brother of the man she just brutally murdered and who had already pointed out he had allies nearby. Her decision results in the death of her entire team. Most people were not upset that Joel died, but rather that the circumstances of his death and plot around the game is laughable garbage with characters constantly holding the idiot ball in order to move the game forward. I personally wouldnt see coincidences as bad writing. The general rule is that if a coincide gets characters into trouble, its fine, if coincidences get them out of trouble, its usually dumb. TheShadowViper posted... You can find numerous youtube videos that are 40 minutes long describing the numerous examples of why The Last of Us 2's story is garbage. But I'll give you the jist, the story is a giant contrived mess dependent on extraordinary circumstances and characters carrying the idiot ball. Spoilers below. The game begins with Abby journeying from Seattle looking for someone she knows only by name and just happens to run into him in the middle of a snow storm while infected are attacking where they just happen to get herded towards her base where Joel and his brother just happen to forget they weren't complete morons allowing them to just happen to get caught without incident. This happens in order for Elle to witness Joel getting killed. Abby then just happens to spare Elle, despite Elle threatening her life and it generally being monumentally safer to just kill the person who threatened her life and the brother of the man she just brutally murdered and who had already pointed out he had allies nearby. Her decision results in the death of her entire team. This is accurate if you ignore who Abby actually is as a person/character. Suboptimal decisions are also not bad writing, especially ones that fit with the character. Personally I think all that is fine. --- "Our selves are something we create, not discover." <cite>Stalolin posted [p:958276974] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>TheShadowViper posted... </cite> <quote>You can find numerous youtube videos that are 40 minutes long describing the numerous examples of why The Last of Us 2's story is garbage. But I'll give you the jist, the story is a giant contrived mess dependent on extraordinary circumstances and characters carrying the idiot ball. Spoilers below. The game begins with Abby journeying from Seattle looking for someone she knows only by name and just happens to run into him in the middle of a snow storm while infected are attacking where they just happen to get herded towards her base where Joel and his brother just happen to forget they weren't complete morons allowing them to just happen to get caught without incident. This happens in order for Elle to witness Joel getting killed. Abby then just happens to spare Elle, despite Elle threatening her life and it generally being monumentally safer to just kill the person who threatened her life and the brother of the man she just brutally murdered and who had already pointed out he had allies nearby. Her decision results in the death of her entire team. Most people were not upset that Joel died, but rather that the circumstances of his death and plot around the game is laughable garbage with characters constantly holding the idiot ball in order to move the game forward.</quote> I personally wouldnt see coincidences as bad writing. The general rule is that if a coincide gets characters into trouble, its fine, if coincidences get them out of trouble, its usually dumb. TheShadowViper posted... </cite> <quote>You can find numerous youtube videos that are 40 minutes long describing the numerous examples of why The Last of Us 2's story is garbage. But I'll give you the jist, the story is a giant contrived mess dependent on extraordinary circumstances and characters carrying the idiot ball. Spoilers below. The game begins with Abby journeying from Seattle looking for someone she knows only by name and just happens to run into him in the middle of a snow storm while infected are attacking where they just happen to get herded towards her base where Joel and his brother just happen to forget they weren't complete morons allowing them to just happen to get caught without incident. This happens in order for Elle to witness Joel getting killed. Abby then just happens to spare Elle, despite Elle threatening her life and it generally being monumentally safer to just kill the person who threatened her life and the brother of the man she just brutally murdered and who had already pointed out he had allies nearby. Her decision results in the death of her entire team.</quote> This is accurate if you ignore who Abby actually is as a person/character. Suboptimal decisions are also not bad writing, especially ones that fit with the character. Personally I think all that is fine. </quote> ... 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Darmik 09/21/21 7:26:29 PM #25:	TheShadowViper posted... You can find numerous youtube videos that are 40 minutes long describing the numerous examples of why The Last of Us 2's story is garbage. But I'll give you the jist, the story is a giant contrived mess dependent on extraordinary circumstances and characters carrying the idiot ball. Spoilers below. The game begins with Abby journeying from Seattle looking for someone she knows only by name and just happens to run into him in the middle of a snow storm while infected are attacking where they just happen to get herded towards her base where Joel and his brother just happen to forget they weren't complete morons allowing them to just happen to get caught without incident. This happens in order for Elle to witness Joel getting killed. Abby then just happens to spare Elle, despite Elle threatening her life and it generally being monumentally safer to just kill the person who threatened her life and the brother of the man she just brutally murdered and who had already pointed out he had allies nearby. Her decision results in the death of her entire team. Most people were not upset that Joel died, but rather that the circumstances of his death and plot around the game is laughable garbage with characters constantly holding the idiot ball in order to move the game forward. In order to enjoy the game, you have to either ignore the story, or be too dumb to see how poorly written it is. Joel is one of the most notable people of that settlement. Anyone who passed through would know him. Joel, Ellie and his brother are also the people who patrol outside of town. Abby only had a handful of people they could possibly encounter anyway. There was no reason for Tommy and Joel to expect one of them to be brutally murdered. If it wasn't Joel they wouldn't have been. It wouldn't have changed much either way. They would have played friendly before getting an opportunity to kill Joel anyway. He wasn't a hard man to find and he wasn't trying to be. Abby and the gang didn't kill anyone else because they tried to justify it to themselves that they were carrying out justice. That was rather obvious I thought. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958277015] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>TheShadowViper posted... </cite> <quote>You can find numerous youtube videos that are 40 minutes long describing the numerous examples of why The Last of Us 2's story is garbage. But I'll give you the jist, the story is a giant contrived mess dependent on extraordinary circumstances and characters carrying the idiot ball. Spoilers below. The game begins with Abby journeying from Seattle looking for someone she knows only by name and just happens to run into him in the middle of a snow storm while infected are attacking where they just happen to get herded towards her base where Joel and his brother just happen to forget they weren't complete morons allowing them to just happen to get caught without incident. This happens in order for Elle to witness Joel getting killed. Abby then just happens to spare Elle, despite Elle threatening her life and it generally being monumentally safer to just kill the person who threatened her life and the brother of the man she just brutally murdered and who had already pointed out he had allies nearby. Her decision results in the death of her entire team. Most people were not upset that Joel died, but rather that the circumstances of his death and plot around the game is laughable garbage with characters constantly holding the idiot ball in order to move the game forward. In order to enjoy the game, you have to either ignore the story, or be too dumb to see how poorly written it is.</quote> Joel is one of the most notable people of that settlement. Anyone who passed through would know him. Joel, Ellie and his brother are also the people who patrol outside of town. Abby only had a handful of people they could possibly encounter anyway. There was no reason for Tommy and Joel to expect one of them to be brutally murdered. If it wasn't Joel they wouldn't have been. It wouldn't have changed much either way. They would have played friendly before getting an opportunity to kill Joel anyway. He wasn't a hard man to find and he wasn't trying to be. Abby and the gang didn't kill anyone else because they tried to justify it to themselves that they were carrying out justice. That was rather obvious I thought. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 09/21/21 7:26:57 PM #26:	I had no interest in the game til I heard the spoilers and twist tbh --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:958277035] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>I had no interest in the game til I heard the spoilers and twist tbh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sabrestorm 09/21/21 7:28:09 PM #27:	TheRadiant posted... I literally called Joel's death in the first teaser I don't know how anyone was shocked by it i wasnt shocked but i was pissed the franchise has been ruined --- The Truth is the Truth <cite>sabrestorm posted [p:958277072] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>TheRadiant posted... </cite> <quote>I literally called Joel's death in the first teaser I don't know how anyone was shocked by it</quote> i wasnt shocked but i was pissed the franchise has been ruined </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/21/21 7:30:11 PM #29:	Beveren_Rabbit posted... legit criticism: -Last Of Us can have uncensored explicit sex scenes meanwhile games from Japan have to be heavily censored to the point characters have different appearances and certain scenes are changed/completely removed. Unlockable outfits are also removed if they were too suggestive. That's on Sony the platform holder more than Naughty Dog. Western games in general get that treatment. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958277148] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Beveren_Rabbit posted... </cite> <quote>legit criticism: -Last Of Us can have uncensored explicit sex scenes meanwhile games from Japan have to be heavily censored to the point characters have different appearances and certain scenes are changed/completely removed. Unlockable outfits are also removed if they were too suggestive.</quote> That's on Sony the platform holder more than Naughty Dog. Western games in general get that treatment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unnamedsoldier 09/21/21 7:30:49 PM #30:	spikethedevil posted... Joel would have pissed people of regardless as so many people missed the point of his character and pit him up as a hero for some reason. Probably because we played as him for a whole game and got to empathize with him <cite>unnamedsoldier posted [p:958277169] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>spikethedevil posted...</cite> <quote>Joel would have pissed people of regardless as so many people missed the point of his character and pit him up as a hero for some reason. </quote> Probably because we played as him for a whole game and got to empathize with him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRadiant 09/21/21 7:31:10 PM #31:	Beveren_Rabbit posted... legit criticism: -Last Of Us can have uncensored explicit sex scenes meanwhile games from Japan have to be heavily censored to the point characters have different appearances and certain scenes are changed/completely removed. Unlockable outfits are also removed if they were too suggestive. I guess if it's "artistic" it's allowable --- She/her <cite>TheRadiant posted [p:958277180] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Beveren_Rabbit posted... </cite> <quote>legit criticism: -Last Of Us can have uncensored explicit sex scenes meanwhile games from Japan have to be heavily censored to the point characters have different appearances and certain scenes are changed/completely removed. Unlockable outfits are also removed if they were too suggestive.</quote>I guess if it's "artistic" it's allowable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 09/21/21 7:32:08 PM #32:	is that subreddit dedicated to whining about it still active? --- Not posted with GameRaven 3.5.2 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:958277211] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>is that subreddit dedicated to whining about it still active? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheShadowViper 09/21/21 7:32:08 PM #33:	Darmik posted... Joel is one of the most notable people of that settlement. Anyone who passed through would know him. Joel, Ellie and his brother are also the people who patrol outside of town. Abby only had a handful of people they could possibly encounter anyway. There was no reason for Tommy and Joel to expect one of them to be brutally murdered. If it wasn't Joel they wouldn't have been. It wouldn't have changed much either way. They would have played friendly before getting an opportunity to kill Joel anyway. He wasn't a hard man to find and he wasn't trying to be. As suspected, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Much of what you said here is flat out wrong. Stalolin posted... I personally wouldnt see coincidences as bad writing. I didn't say coincidence, I said contrivance. Abby is coming from Seattle and is in Wyoming with her looking for someone purely by name. A person who happens to run into her and then tell her who he is. Do you understand the distances involved here and how unlikely that is? Do you understand that Joel was acting massively out of character by not only trusting these random people, but lowering his guard (something that only happens so the plot can have Elle see him die). Let me be clear, you can excuse bad writing, that doesn't mean it isn't bad writing. You can take your hand waving somewhere else. <cite>TheShadowViper posted [p:958277212] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Joel is one of the most notable people of that settlement. Anyone who passed through would know him. Joel, Ellie and his brother are also the people who patrol outside of town. Abby only had a handful of people they could possibly encounter anyway. There was no reason for Tommy and Joel to expect one of them to be brutally murdered. If it wasn't Joel they wouldn't have been. It wouldn't have changed much either way. They would have played friendly before getting an opportunity to kill Joel anyway. He wasn't a hard man to find and he wasn't trying to be.</quote>As suspected, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Much of what you said here is flat out wrong. Stalolin posted... </cite> <quote>I personally wouldnt see coincidences as bad writing.</quote>I didn't say coincidence, I said contrivance. Abby is coming from Seattle and is in Wyoming with her looking for someone purely by name. A person who happens to run into her and then tell her who he is. Do you understand the distances involved here and how unlikely that is? Do you understand that Joel was acting massively out of character by not only trusting these random people, but lowering his guard (something that only happens so the plot can have Elle see him die). Let me be clear, you can excuse bad writing, that doesn't mean it isn't bad writing. You can take your hand waving somewhere else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stalolin 09/21/21 7:34:11 PM #34:	TheShadowViper posted... As suspected, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Much of what you said here is flat out wrong. I didn't say coincidence, I said contrivance. Abby is coming from Seattle and is in Wyoming with her looking for someone purely by name. A person who happens to run into her and then tell her who he is. Let me be clear, you can excuse bad writing, that doesn't mean it isn't bad writing. You can take your hand waving somewhere else. Mm, I just dont agree though. Like I said, if it causes more problems for the protagonists, its fine. Whats the alternative? A long-ass investigation section? Boring. --- "Our selves are something we create, not discover." <cite>Stalolin posted [p:958277297] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>TheShadowViper posted... </cite> <quote>As suspected, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Much of what you said here is flat out wrong. I didn't say coincidence, I said contrivance. Abby is coming from Seattle and is in Wyoming with her looking for someone purely by name. A person who happens to run into her and then tell her who he is. Let me be clear, you can excuse bad writing, that doesn't mean it isn't bad writing. You can take your hand waving somewhere else.</quote> Mm, I just dont agree though. Like I said, if it causes more problems for the protagonists, its fine. Whats the alternative? A long-ass investigation section? Boring. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 09/21/21 7:34:42 PM #35:	--- https://youtu.be/l-iLiNCScno https://imgur.com/ZngbqJn https://imgur.com/lbSi0U3 https://imgur.com/xaRYKZM <cite>ModLogic posted [p:958277323] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/21/21 7:35:06 PM #36:	unnamedsoldier posted... Probably because we played as him for a whole game and got to empathize with him Which is why the game still portrays it as a horrific moment that wants you to get revenge as Ellie. It's a series with complex characters that have conflicting motivations. I think we have enough superhero video game protagonists who don't experience any long term consequences. TheShadowViper posted... As suspected, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Much of what you said here is flat out wrong. Like? TheShadowViper posted... Do you understand that Joel was acting massively out of character by not only trusting these random people, but lowering his guard (something that only happens so the plot can have Elle see him die). He's not the same man he was in the first game. This was again pretty obvious. Hell it was obvious during the first game he was changing as a person. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958277334] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>unnamedsoldier posted... </cite> <quote>Probably because we played as him for a whole game and got to empathize with him</quote> Which is why the game still portrays it as a horrific moment that wants you to get revenge as Ellie. It's a series with complex characters that have conflicting motivations. I think we have enough superhero video game protagonists who don't experience any long term consequences. TheShadowViper posted... </cite> <quote>As suspected, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Much of what you said here is flat out wrong.</quote> Like? TheShadowViper posted... </cite> <quote>Do you understand that Joel was acting massively out of character by not only trusting these random people, but lowering his guard (something that only happens so the plot can have Elle see him die).</quote> He's not the same man he was in the first game. This was again pretty obvious. Hell it was obvious during the first game he was changing as a person. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheShadowViper 09/21/21 7:38:33 PM #37:	Stalolin posted... Mm, I just dont agree though. Like I said, if it causes more problems for the protagonists, its fine. Whats the alternative? A long-ass investigation section? Boring. Abby taking people from the area surrounding Jackson in order to find Joel and then launching an attack on it sounds far better than the contrived situation that occurred. Not only are you a hand waver, but you have a shitty imagination. Unsurprising. By the way, do you know why that didn't happen? Because the writer didn't want people to be further against Abby by having her kill or maim people other than Joel before the plot got going. So she just happens to run into him - cutting out the need for collateral damage. Contrived garbage. <cite>TheShadowViper posted [p:958277441] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Stalolin posted... </cite> <quote>Mm, I just dont agree though. Like I said, if it causes more problems for the protagonists, its fine. Whats the alternative? A long-ass investigation section? Boring.</quote>Abby taking people from the area surrounding Jackson in order to find Joel and then launching an attack on it sounds far better than the contrived situation that occurred. Not only are you a hand waver, but you have a shitty imagination. Unsurprising. By the way, do you know why that didn't happen? Because the writer didn't want people to be further against Abby by having her kill or maim people other than Joel before the plot got going. So she just happens to run into him - cutting out the need for collateral damage. Contrived garbage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 09/21/21 7:40:36 PM #38:	Leaks definitely screwed up a lot of the game's opinion, especially since a lot of unsavoury types pushed just blatantly false info like Abby being trans to bash it. There's so much that can be said about the story structure and direction, but a trans character and muscular girl dominate the discussion which really makes me wonder how many people have legitimate complaints. --- I want you to grab your nuts. Grab your balls. I want you to take a handful, and just grab your nuts real quick. Swivel 'em around in a circular motion. -LTG <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:958277510] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Leaks definitely screwed up a lot of the game's opinion, especially since a lot of unsavoury types pushed just blatantly false info like Abby being trans to bash it. There's so much that can be said about the story structure and direction, but a trans character and muscular girl dominate the discussion which really makes me wonder how many people have legitimate complaints. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/21/21 7:41:30 PM #39:	TheShadowViper posted... Abby taking people from the area surrounding Jackson in order to find Joel and then launching an attack on it sounds far better than the contrived situation that occurred. Not only are you a hand waver, but you have a shitty imagination. Unsurprising. By the way, do you know why that didn't happen? Because the writer didn't want people to be further against Abby by having her kill or maim people other than Joel before the plot got going. So she just happens to run into him - cutting out the need for collateral damage. Contrived garbage. It happened because Abby and friends didn't want to wage war on a town. They wanted to kill Joel. That's it. That's how they justified their brutality towards him. I'm not sure why you think a handful of people going to war against an entire settlement is a better plot honestly. That seems a lot more difficult to figure out which was actually Joel. And again Joel was someone who would be out patrolling. It's not as much of a stretch as you're acting. It was either him, Tommy, Ellie, Jesse and maybe a couple of more people at most. Yes they got lucky that Joel was someone who'd patrol but of course he would be doing that. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958277542] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>TheShadowViper posted... </cite> <quote>Abby taking people from the area surrounding Jackson in order to find Joel and then launching an attack on it sounds far better than the contrived situation that occurred. Not only are you a hand waver, but you have a shitty imagination. Unsurprising. By the way, do you know why that didn't happen? Because the writer didn't want people to be further against Abby by having her kill or maim people other than Joel before the plot got going. So she just happens to run into him - cutting out the need for collateral damage. Contrived garbage.</quote> It happened because Abby and friends didn't want to wage war on a town. They wanted to kill Joel. That's it. That's how they justified their brutality towards him. I'm not sure why you think a handful of people going to war against an entire settlement is a better plot honestly. That seems a lot more difficult to figure out which was actually Joel. And again Joel was someone who would be out patrolling. It's not as much of a stretch as you're acting. It was either him, Tommy, Ellie, Jesse and maybe a couple of more people at most. Yes they got lucky that Joel was someone who'd patrol but of course he would be doing that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 09/21/21 7:43:05 PM #40:	I really think if the story started with Abby's flashback and plan instead of out of order it would have been stronger to empathise with her. Everyone likes a revenge story when it shows the loss, then the preparation before anything else. Then you do Ellie's bit. --- I want you to grab your nuts. Grab your balls. I want you to take a handful, and just grab your nuts real quick. Swivel 'em around in a circular motion. -LTG <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:958277588] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>I really think if the story started with Abby's flashback and plan instead of out of order it would have been stronger to empathise with her. Everyone likes a revenge story when it shows the loss, then the preparation before anything else. Then you do Ellie's bit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheShadowViper 09/21/21 7:48:44 PM #41:	Darmik posted... Yes they got lucky that Joel was someone who'd patrol but of course he would be doing that. They didn't know what he looked like. They didn't know he would be patrolling. They didn't even know he was in that state. They were there looking for a settlement in Wyoming where they heard Tommy (Joel's brother) was...that is all they knew. While searching for this settlement - that they didn't know was the right one - for Joel's brother, they just happened to run into the target of their search and they just happened to get him herded into their base and he just happened to act like a complete idiot. You don't even know what happened, let alone why it is so laughably contrived. <cite>TheShadowViper posted [p:958277785] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Yes they got lucky that Joel was someone who'd patrol but of course he would be doing that.</quote>They didn't know what he looked like. They didn't know he would be patrolling. They didn't even know he was in that state. They were there looking for a settlement in Wyoming where they heard Tommy (Joel's brother) was...that is all they knew. While searching for this settlement - that they didn't know was the right one - for Joel's brother, they just happened to run into the target of their search and they just happened to get him herded into their base and he just happened to act like a complete idiot. You don't even know what happened, let alone why it is so laughably contrived. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stalolin 09/21/21 7:56:08 PM #42:	ModLogic posted... I think this topic shows the opposite is true lmao --- "Our selves are something we create, not discover." <cite>Stalolin posted [p:958277986] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>ModLogic posted... </cite> <quote></quote> I think this topic shows the opposite is true lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 09/21/21 7:56:44 PM #43:	TheRadiant posted... I literally called Joel's death in the first teaser I don't know how anyone was shocked by it It should have happened at the end of 1 --- Trucking Legend Don Schneider! <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:958278011] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>TheRadiant posted... </cite> <quote>I literally called Joel's death in the first teaser I don't know how anyone was shocked by it</quote> It should have happened at the end of 1 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 09/21/21 7:58:05 PM #44:	I didn't like how they did Joel when I saw the leaks, but... Hell I ain't gonna bitch about it at the devs, much less send threats lol --- Common sense charged before shipping - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:958278039] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>I didn't like how they did Joel when I saw the leaks, but... Hell I ain't gonna bitch about it at the devs, much less send threats lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 09/21/21 7:58:25 PM #45:	KiwiTerraRizing posted... It should have happened at the end of 1 That woulda been better --- Common sense charged before shipping - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:958278046] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>KiwiTerraRizing posted... </cite> <quote>It should have happened at the end of 1</quote>That woulda been better </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/21/21 7:59:28 PM #46:	TheShadowViper posted... They didn't know what he looked like. They didn't know he would be patrolling. They didn't even know he was in that state. They were there looking for a settlement in Wyoming where they heard Tommy (Joel's brother) was...that is all they knew. While searching for this settlement - that they didn't have the name of - for Joel's brother they just happened to run into the target of their search and they just happened to get him herded into their base and he just happened to act like a complete idiot. You don't even know what happened, let alone why it is so laughably contrived. From what we know Jackson was the only notable one near Wyoming. From there it's really not that huge of a stretch. Tommy isn't just some no name random. He's the leader of the town and they're looking for his brother. They weren't planning on meeting him on a patrol. But of course Joel and Tommy would be patrolling. It's not like they are random guys who primarily sit at home and just happened to be out that day. Patrolling would be a regular thing for them. They would have recruited many people out there. They were stuck in a blizzard and taking shelter with her people made sense to them. Joel was not a ruthless killer anymore. He lived in a peaceful town and had spent years helping others. Of course that would change him. That's part of the tragedy of the character. If it changed where they found out about Joel from some random character like Jesse and then assassinated Joel in his town it would be a lot more boring to play. It's still a video game. Contrivances like this are all over both games. They're over every video game. Nobody complained that Joel knew how to find Ellie when he woke up from being injured. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958278083] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>TheShadowViper posted... </cite> <quote>They didn't know what he looked like. They didn't know he would be patrolling. They didn't even know he was in that state. They were there looking for a settlement in Wyoming where they heard Tommy (Joel's brother) was...that is all they knew. While searching for this settlement - that they didn't have the name of - for Joel's brother they just happened to run into the target of their search and they just happened to get him herded into their base and he just happened to act like a complete idiot. You don't even know what happened, let alone why it is so laughably contrived.</quote> From what we know Jackson was the only notable one near Wyoming. From there it's really not that huge of a stretch. Tommy isn't just some no name random. He's the leader of the town and they're looking for his brother. They weren't planning on meeting him on a patrol. But of course Joel and Tommy would be patrolling. It's not like they are random guys who primarily sit at home and just happened to be out that day. Patrolling would be a regular thing for them. They would have recruited many people out there. They were stuck in a blizzard and taking shelter with her people made sense to them. Joel was not a ruthless killer anymore. He lived in a peaceful town and had spent years helping others. Of course that would change him. That's part of the tragedy of the character. If it changed where they found out about Joel from some random character like Jesse and then assassinated Joel in his town it would be a lot more boring to play. It's still a video game. Contrivances like this are all over both games. They're over every video game. Nobody complained that Joel knew how to find Ellie when he woke up from being injured. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metralo 09/21/21 8:01:49 PM #47:	unnamedsoldier posted... Probably because we played as him for a whole game and got to empathize with him you can empathize with walter white, but it doesn't make walter not a piece of human shit --- https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1298321979/image.jpg bustin makes me feel good <cite>metralo posted [p:958278136] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>unnamedsoldier posted... </cite> <quote>Probably because we played as him for a whole game and got to empathize with him</quote> you can empathize with walter white, but it doesn't make walter not a piece of human shit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta_MAX 09/21/21 8:08:19 PM #49:	Remember when you guys instantly believed this fake story against Naughty Dog? https://imgur.com/0arl0PY 9/10 gamers instantly believed in this fake ass story against Naughty Dog. There was no proof of this, only hearsay. The worst part is when this fake ass story was proven to be fake, almost no gamer showed any remorse, no shame or regret in falling for that shit. In fact a lot of gamers double downed on this shit saying things like "Well ND is a AAA studio and all they care about is money so I find it hard not to believe". --- I'm Veggeta X's alt <cite>Veggeta_MAX posted [p:958278329] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Remember when you guys instantly believed this fake story against Naughty Dog? https://imgur.com/0arl0PY 9/10 gamers instantly believed in this fake ass story against Naughty Dog. There was no proof of this, only hearsay. The worst part is when this fake ass story was proven to be fake, almost no gamer showed any remorse, no shame or regret in falling for that shit. In fact a lot of gamers double downed on this shit saying things like "Well ND is a AAA studio and all they care about is money so I find it hard not to believe". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheShadowViper 09/21/21 8:10:21 PM #50:	Darmik posted... Contrivances like this are all over both games. So after most of your bullshit you just go with "it doesn't matter because x - which isn't even remotely as egregious - existed in a superior game with a far better narrative." I don't blame you, you have gotten pretty much every detail wrong and don't seem to understand the concept that not only is that contrived coincidence dependent on multiple variables miraculously working out in Abby's favor, but that isn't even the only laughable part of that opening, which includes shit like Tommy getting knocked out without incident and Elle magically arriving and getting captured without incident. And such poor writing doesn't stop there, you have everything from Elle dropping the map to her secret base to Elle magically sparing Abby despite having no reason to do so (as she cut through hundreds to get to Abby and, unlike the player, has not walked in her shoes). The writer wanted things to happen and didn't care, or didn't have the skill to make those events happen in a believable way. That is called bad writing. Your hand waving denial does not change that. <cite>TheShadowViper posted [p:958278395] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Contrivances like this are all over both games.</quote>So after most of your bullshit you just go with "it doesn't matter because x - which isn't even remotely as egregious - existed in a superior game with a far better narrative." I don't blame you, you have gotten pretty much every detail wrong and don't seem to understand the concept that not only is that contrived coincidence dependent on multiple variables miraculously working out in Abby's favor, but that isn't even the only laughable part of that opening, which includes shit like Tommy getting knocked out without incident and Elle magically arriving and getting captured without incident. And such poor writing doesn't stop there, you have everything from Elle dropping the map to her secret base to Elle magically sparing Abby despite having no reason to do so (as she cut through hundreds to get to Abby and, unlike the player, has not walked in her shoes). The writer wanted things to happen and didn't care, or didn't have the skill to make those events happen in a believable way. That is called bad writing. Your hand waving denial does not change that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maninstagnate 09/21/21 8:21:18 PM #51:	Darmik posted... No shit. They were targeted with a lot of hate. HBO is totally fine with killing off major characters. Joel would last one episode longer than Ned Stark did in GOT. Lol read the article they were afraid for the game not themselves. Not really Sean Bean probably knew he be in one season from the GRRM's material and why HBO put a likable major Hollywood star for that role. Also the character Bronn had a very minor part in the books but people liked the TV adaption of him too much that HBO forced to have him written in more parts. <cite>Maninstagnate posted [p:958278684] in Remember w... [t:79672558]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>No shit. They were targeted with a lot of hate. HBO is totally fine with killing off major characters. Joel would last one episode longer than Ned Stark did in GOT.</quote> Lol read the article they were afraid for the game not themselves. Not really Sean Bean probably knew he be in one season from the GRRM's material and why HBO put a likable major Hollywood star for that role. Also the character Bronn had a very minor part in the books but people liked the TV adaption of him too much that HBO forced to have him written in more parts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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