Current Events > 'Release The Ayer Cut' Starts Trending After DC Denies it.

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https://www.ign.com/articles/suicide-squad-david-ayer-cut-rumor-denied-dceu

https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/1374079648200413185?s=20

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"Ayer Cut" doesn't even make sense.
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I bet theyd be more in favor of doing it if Gunns version wasnt a thing

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This is where people quickly discover that the whole snyder cut campaign was pushed by the studio to make some quick cash off a bunch of unused footage by using it to sell HBO Max and never a real response to consumer demand.

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Yeah, I'm sure those missing Joker scenes with Jared Leto would really have improved the film.

Release the penis cut

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How many people are gonna end up having their own cut of this movie?

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release the society cut

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Kisai posted...

How many people are gonna end up having their own cut of this movie?

The fans deserve Matt Stone and Trey Parker's Justice League: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut.

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s0nicfan posted...

This is where people quickly discover that the whole snyder cut campaign was pushed by the studio to make some quick cash off a bunch of unused footage by using it to sell HBO Max and never a real response to consumer demand.

what are you talking about? Its a completely different movie and it actually wasnt gonna happen

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just release all the raw footage, we'll make our own movie! with blackjack! and hookers!!!

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When will the Batman Forever Schumacher cut come out. It has a sequence with a giant bat.

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Darmik posted...

When will the Batman Forever Schumacher cut come out. It has a sequence with a giant bat.

I can dream

so was there actually a cut version of Suicide Squad?

pure_temper posted...

what are you talking about? Its a completely different movie and it actually wasnt gonna happen

They managed to, for roughly $100M, produce the equivalent of a $300M blockbuster and use it to market the hell out of HBO max. If you think for one second that the studio's decision to allow the Snyder Cut was anything other than a good return-on-investment I'd say you're mistaken.

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ZevLoveDOOM posted...

so was there actually a cut version of Suicide Squad?

I recall hearing about a bunch of Joker stuff that was cut that apparently made him not awful

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either way, with James Gunn's movie coming out, do people really want this? just saying... lol

s0nicfan posted...

They managed to, for roughly $100M, produce the equivalent of a $300M blockbuster and use it to market the hell out of HBO max. If you think for one second that the studio's decision to allow the Snyder Cut was anything other than a good return-on-investment I'd say you're mistaken.

its almost as if snyders cut had to come out via streaming because of a global pandemic and because they didnt want to risk capital on a theater rollout that cant be profitable anytime soon

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pure_temper posted...

its almost as if snyders cut had to come out via streaming because of a global pandemic and because they didnt want to risk capital on a theater rollout that cant be profitable anytime soon

Exactly. That's my point from my original post:
s0nicfan posted...

This is where people quickly discover that the whole snyder cut campaign was pushed by the studio to make some quick cash off a bunch of unused footage by using it to sell HBO Max and never a real response to consumer demand.

It was a bargain for them. Snyder did it for free (he didn't get paid for his work on the snyder cut), they were able to use mostly already-shot footage, and they had a distribution avenue that was cheap and easy.

People going "where's the Ayer cut" are acting like the studio would do this for any other movie that wasn't in a similar, "easy money" situation. Maybe if Ayer had a whole movie's worth of unused footage, was willing to do it for free, and HBO was looking for some good exclusives, but the odds of those conditions being repeated are slim to none.

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I literally paid $0 extra to legally watch it on my tv lol.

(I haven't yet, it's just pvr'd).
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All these redos just prove that their studio execs are fucking morons

It's not that Snyder had a ton of unused footage - it's that it was literally an entirely different movie than Whedon's turd.

Did you see Snyder's cut s0nicfan?

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pure_temper posted...

It's not that Snyder had a ton of unused footage - it's that it was literally an entirely different movie than Whedon's turd.

Did you see Snyder's TC s0nicfan?

it was literally an entirely different movie because Whedon did so many reshoots in the first place. Most of the snyder cut is unused footage from principal photography during the original cut before Whedon remade it. That's what makes JL such an anomaly. Movies are often cut down or bits are reshot, but JL is an extremely rare situation where most of the movie was abandoned in production and a new movie was shot on its remnants and that's the "free footage" Snyder was able to work with (with some minor reshoots of his own) to make his cut happen.

Snyder himself said Whedon only used about 25% of his original footage. That means roughly 75% of this "entirely new movie" had been shot years ago and was just waiting to be used. In fact, there's only 5 minutes of "new" footage in his cut:
https://screenrant.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-cut-movie-reshoots-screentime/

Zack Snyder recently revealed that his Justice League reshoots are only adding an additional five minutes of footage to the film, which has a total runtime of four hours.

He asserted that the film is going to be a pure extraction from script to screen, and that there are no focus groups manipulating what will be shown to fans. Read a quote from Snyder below:"I mean, I think its valid because on one hand I will say that in the end its probably going to be four or five minutes of additional photography for the entire movie. In the four hours that is Justice League, maybe four minutes. And I dont know if youve seen a lot of movies, theres a few, but theres not a lot of movies that have four minutes of additional photography beyond what was shot in principle. Most movies have quite a bit more than that, and most movies, you know, the cool thing about this film is that it is a pure extraction from the script that Chris and I worked on, which Chris wrote. It is directly from the page through the prism that is the experience that is making the movie, working with these amazing actors, and then creating this epic story. And theres no focus groups. We dont do any of that. This is just straight, straight back."

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pure_temper posted...

Did you see Snyder's cut s0nicfan?

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I did, yes. That changes literally nothing about what I've said.

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Darmik posted...

When will the Batman Forever Schumacher cut come out. It has a sequence with a giant bat.

I want the version where Batman flies a plane with a giant bat head.

s0nicfan posted...

I did, yes. That changes literally nothing about what I've said.

did you like it?

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pure_temper posted...

did you like it?

It was better than the Whedon cut for sure but I still wasn't a huge fan. The tone was much more cohesive and characters like Cyborg and Flash got much better arcs, but it was also pointlessly indulgent and still a betrayal of the characters. I didn't need a 10 minute slow-mo opening of superman's scream echoing across the world, nor did I need to follow Artemis' arrow the entire journey. I didn't like how Superman savaged Steppenwolf at the end like he was the Hulk and the movie was filled with lots of stupid scenes. Why did we need to fly to the batcave to use Bruce's satellites to find Steppenwolf's lair when Cyborg can interface with the entire world's technology effortlessly from anywhere in the world? Why did Bruce spend years paying off that guy crippled by Superman in BvS but let Martha's farm forclose? Am I really expected to believe that the parthenon would be on fire all night and the next day Diana could just casually waltz up and take the arrow? Were there no guards? Why wasn't the arrow removed when the fire was put out? It was just dumb. I also could have gone without the ending dream sequence that sets up a sequel that will never happen just to show off more of Leto's awful Joker. Snyder was told this was an opportunity to finish "his trilogy" by the studio, so any decision he made to include scenes that would only make sense with more movies is a giant "fuck you" to the fans who wanted to see things conclude.

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Why is Ayer egging this on though? Does he really think he's gonna be able to do it?

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s0nicfan posted...

It was better than the Whedon cut for sure but I still wasn't a huge fan. The tone was much more cohesive and characters like Cyborg and Flash got much better arcs, but it was also pointlessly indulgent and still a betrayal of the characters. I didn't need a 10 minute slow-mo opening of superman's scream echoing across the world.

The scream sets up the whole plot of the film. Also it was about 90 seconds.

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Suicide Squad is such ass cheese. I doubt anything can salvage it.

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Jiggy101011 posted...

The scream sets up the whole plot of the film. Also it was about 90 seconds.

Just because it was plot relevant doesn't make it any less dumb. Superman's scream shouldn't have set off the mother boxes in the first place, and if it was strong enough to resonate that far then Bruce and Diana should both be deaf from being literal feet away when it happened. Why was that required for Steppenwolf to grab the boxes? Why, if they tried a thousand years ago and failed, did they have to wait for Superman specifically to be dead when they could have dropped in a hundred years prior before he arrived. What perfect timing!

So many aspects of the movie completely fall apart at the tiniest bit of scrutiny. The script is a disaster. It's just a better disaster than the Whedon cut.

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot... do dozens of Amazonians really just stand in a circle guarding this box all day, every day, year round, for like a thousand years? Otherwise that scene doesn't make sense. If they're really that dangerous, and Snyder has established the GL corps is a thing, why not take them and scatter them across the universe, or toss one into a black hole?

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I mean... I'd watch it. Apart from tone and style issues I actually enjoyed Suicide Squad. I would say it's never gonna happen, but I thought the same thing about the Snyder Cut. If it can be easily recut and dropped on HBO I don't see why they wouldn't. And once The Suicide Squad makes the name a hot property again they could use it as a little boost.

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s0nicfan posted...

They managed to, for roughly $100M, produce the equivalent of a $300M blockbuster and use it to market the hell out of HBO max. If you think for one second that the studio's decision to allow the Snyder Cut was anything other than a good return-on-investment I'd say you're mistaken.

Snyder Cut appears to have made more money than WW84

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Snyder Cut appears to have made more money than WW84

On the off chance you misread my post, I meant $100M vs $300M production costs, not profits.

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s0nicfan posted...

This is where people quickly discover that the whole snyder cut campaign was pushed by the studio to make some quick cash off a bunch of unused footage by using it to sell HBO Max and never a real response to consumer demand.

This was never ever pushed by the studio at any point in time until it was convenient for them to get subs for HBO Max.

Your wording makes it seem like it was manufactured by them from the get go

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Snyder cut was pretty unique circumstances that the Ayer cut doesn't have. Ayer just made a bad movie.

s0nicfan posted...

On the off chance you misread my post, I meant $100M vs $300M production costs, not profits.

I wasn't disagreeing with anything you said I was just adding extra information.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

I wasn't disagreeing with anything you said I was just adding extra information.

Gotcha.

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