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SaccharineSmile
02/02/21 5:46:54 PM
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I dont understand why people are trying to fight change to a thing where all you can say is that its just a boys thing that boys do

god forbid everyone boy and men on earth need to be some sort of saint just because it will make you feel better about yourself


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I4NRulez
02/02/21 5:49:01 PM
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What if a boy isnt like how the other boys are? Does that make him wrong? Is he less of a boy?

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Damn_Underscore
02/02/21 5:50:01 PM
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We've all seen vegy's topics Just Girls Being Girls

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nemu
02/02/21 5:52:45 PM
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There is an issue of dismissing developmental issues like bullying or harassing girls because "that's just what boys do," but it's just one of those things people with no actual argument like to harp on. Though it's quite the dead horse, the Gillette commercial in particular was really stupid because it displayed normal roughhousing as if two children play fighting is inherently bad. Action and consequences depend on the context.
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hockeybub89
02/02/21 6:06:54 PM
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Boys will be what boys? Define boy. Are all boys that boy?

If boys do bad things, should we excuse them for being boys? What bad things are forgivable?

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Kakapo
02/02/21 6:08:15 PM
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Boys will be boys, unless they are a horde of hyper intelligent tarantulas working together to pilot a boy suit.

Timmy cant play today, Jimmy. Hes leaking spiders.

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Veggeta X
02/02/21 6:09:05 PM
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If I punched you in the face and you're like WTF BRO and I'd be like "Hey man I'm just being a bro. Bros will be bros".

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Kakapo
02/02/21 6:09:14 PM
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Timmys irritating hairs arent just sparsely clustered on his upper lip and chin, for he is made of spiders.

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Machete
02/02/21 6:12:40 PM
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bOyS WiLL bE bOyS

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Kakapo
02/02/21 6:13:11 PM
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Machete posted...
bOyS WiLL bE bOyS
Or spiders

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AOC
02/02/21 6:13:22 PM
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catcalling?

boys will be boys, am i right?
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SaccharineSmile
02/02/21 6:14:34 PM
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Its literally people trying to change someone personality

and for what?

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Zikten
02/02/21 6:15:57 PM
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Depends on what it's being used to excuse. Hit a baseball through a window? Sure fine

Raped a girl? Yea.....I dont know.....

It has been used to excuse rape if you didn't know
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Kakapo
02/02/21 6:16:25 PM
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SaccharineSmile posted...
Its literally people trying to change someone personality

and for what?

I know, right?

I mean, some boys decide to shed their human visages and end up draining a few people of their succulent body juices and leave desiccated husks. Its not the end of the world.

Boys will be boys!

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Machete
02/02/21 6:17:52 PM
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Kakapo posted...
Or spiders

True, but toxic masculine dudes are actively bullshit in nature. Spiders just show up in various places and most of the time, they are out of their way and I can just let them be. Only in rare cases do they get in my way and raise a threat level like in my shower, then I have to get rid of them, but I tend to feel bad about it, since it's not really their fault. They didn't know any better.

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furb
02/02/21 6:18:05 PM
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It means zero accountability for bad or ill informed actions/choices.


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SaccharineSmile
02/02/21 6:18:19 PM
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Zikten posted...
Depends on what it's being used to excuse. Hit a baseball through a window? Sure fine

Raped a girl? Yea.....I dont know.....

It has been used to excuse rape if you didn't know

that I didnt know

well it sounds like the boys will be boys saying deviated from that point forward as growing up it didnt have that connotation

it was just boys mucking around


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Machete
02/02/21 6:18:28 PM
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SaccharineSmile posted...
Its literally people trying to change someone personality

and for what?

because their initial personality is fucking trash.

edit: but also the spider thing

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Kakapo
02/02/21 6:19:27 PM
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SaccharineSmile posted...
that I didnt know

well it sounds like the boys will be boys saying deviated from that point forward as growing up it didnt have that connotation

it was just boys mucking around

Yeah, its usually used as an excuse now for some pretty repugnant shit.

Boys will be boys...
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BloodMoon7
02/02/21 6:19:51 PM
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Boys will be boys, I think can be applied to any era. Of course not all boys will be dat boy. Or even mah boi. But all bois are ya bois. No matter how bois change one thing will always be the same: today's bois like dressing up as their waifus such as Astolfo. Bois will be bois you know? It's ok if they dress up as Astolfo.

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TerraSeeker
02/02/21 6:20:02 PM
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I4NRulez posted...
What if a boy isnt like how the other boys are? Does that make him wrong? Is he less of a boy?
Well if he is a boy, then he is a boy.

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Kakapo
02/02/21 6:20:40 PM
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TerraSeeker posted...
Well if he is a boy, then he is a boy.
Or secretly lots of spiders.

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God_Of_Entirety
02/02/21 6:21:37 PM
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It's definitely one of the dumbest and most toxic sayings.

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SaccharineSmile
02/02/21 6:21:43 PM
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Machete posted...
because their initial personality is fucking trash.

edit: but also the spider thing

so every boy and men need to have the same robot personality just to appease who exactly?

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Kakapo
02/02/21 6:22:37 PM
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SaccharineSmile posted...
so every boy and men need to have the same robot personality just to appease who exactly?
TC is secretly a swarm of spiders confirmed.

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coh
02/02/21 6:25:39 PM
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boys being boys is frowned upon in our highly feminized society
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BloodMoon7
02/02/21 6:26:16 PM
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A swarm of spiders can be a boi today, so long as it believes. To suggest otherwise is racist against spiders.

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Kakapo
02/02/21 6:29:12 PM
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BloodMoon7 posted...
A swarm of spiders can be a boi today, so long as it believes. To suggest otherwise is racist against spiders.
Its SETM. Spider exclusionary toxic masculinity

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Kolibri X
02/02/21 6:29:33 PM
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It's about destroying gender roles and controlling rebellious men. Many men are hard-wired to be bold, adventurous and combative and this is a threat to feminists and lesser males. It's one of great litmus tests facing men today. Either succumb to it or resist and become more masculine in spite of it.

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WallStreetWolf
02/02/21 6:30:39 PM
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I'm not going to through this topic for my own sanity but most of the behavior of boys will be boys is generally crude or abusive in some way

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Machete
02/02/21 6:30:43 PM
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Kakapo posted...
Or secretly lots of spiders.

Full disclosure... I had an idea for a game where the enemies are like alien bugs and bug-peripheral critters (insects, arthropods, arachnoids, in a few cases crustaceans etc.) with bosses being highly sapient... and my final boss would be very humanoid in appearance initially, but upon initial encounter would be hanging upside down from the outer edge of the dome that was the arena for the fight, only to reveal that the convex "pillars" lining the dome's edge were legs connected to his shoulders and his true form is actually a several hundred foot tall daddy long legs type being (but with a humanoid body)

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Machete
02/02/21 6:31:18 PM
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SaccharineSmile posted...
so every boy and men need to have the same robot personality

no... why even ask that?

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WallStreetWolf
02/02/21 6:32:36 PM
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SaccharineSmile posted...
so every boy and men need to have the same robot personality just to appease who exactly?

Dude, there are a wide variety of personalities that have nothing to do with resorting to abuse

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Kakapo
02/02/21 6:33:25 PM
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Machete posted...
Full disclosure... I had an idea for a game where the enemies are like alien bugs and bug-peripheral critters (insects, arthropods, arachnoids, in a few cases crustaceans etc.) with bosses being highly sapient... and my final boss would be very humanoid in appearance initially, but upon initial encounter would be hanging upside down from the outer edge of the dome that was the arena for the fight, only to reveal that the convex "pillars" lining the dome's edge were legs connected to his shoulders and his true form is actually a several hundred foot tall daddy long legs type being (but with a humanoid body)

ThatS actually a really cool idea

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ThyCorndog
02/02/21 6:34:11 PM
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coh posted...
boys being boys is frowned upon in our highly feminized society
what are some ways that our society has become feminized?

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Machete
02/02/21 6:34:45 PM
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Kolibri X posted...
It's about destroying gender roles and controlling rebellious men. Many men are hard-wired to be bold, adventurous and combative and this is a threat to feminists and lesser males. It's one of great litmus tests facing men today. Either succumb to it or resist and become more masculine in spite of it.

except bullshit. I'm one of the most combative dudes you're ever going to meet and not only are you full of shit but face palm at "lesser males" lmao do you feel dick-threatened bro?

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Machete
02/02/21 6:35:43 PM
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Kakapo posted...
ThatS actually a really cool idea

thanks :D

I'd share more about the game since I have a good amount of ideas typed out but I don't want people stealing it >_>

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Kakapo
02/02/21 6:37:17 PM
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Machete posted...
thanks :D

I'd share more about the game since I have a good amount of ideas typed out but I don't want people stealing it >_>
Yeah, I getcha. If you think youre gonna use the ideas one day, keep them safe until you can.

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God_Of_Entirety
02/02/21 6:38:04 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
what are some ways that our society has become feminized?
@coh

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Wetterdew
02/02/21 6:41:39 PM
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"boys will be boys" is another way of saying "that's harmless and normal behavior for a boy"

It's ok when it's something actually harmless like [he rolled around in the mud and got dirty while playing] but it's often used to handwave any consequences when boys do things that are actually bad.

That's why people don't like it

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SaccharineSmile
02/02/21 6:42:34 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
what are some ways that our society has become feminized?

that boys shouldnt behave in energetic, rough, or improper ways

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SaccharineSmile
02/02/21 6:54:56 PM
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CalypsoDoom posted...
i mean sure if your personality is defined as sexually harassing and raping people


used to indicate that it is not surprising or unusual when men or boys behave in energetic, rough, or improper waysYou shouldn't be too hard on them for staying out so late. Boys will be boys.

yea, used to mean this.... but why are people lumping sexual harassment and assault with this saying?

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Kakapo
02/02/21 6:59:51 PM
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SaccharineSmile posted...
used to indicate that it is not surprising or unusual when men or boys behave in energetic, rough, or improper waysYou shouldn't be too hard on them for staying out so late. Boys will be boys.

yea, used to mean this.... but why are people lumping sexual harassment and assault with this saying?

Thats already been answered in this topic, you silly spiders.

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Master Kazuya
02/02/21 7:01:30 PM
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Society wants tame men, yet society doesn't respect tame men. It's really weird.

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SaccharineSmile
02/02/21 7:02:50 PM
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Kakapo posted...
Thats already been answered in this topic, you silly spiders.


well its a pretty toxic mentality to project that on the original meaning of boys will be boys

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coh
02/02/21 7:04:11 PM
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God_Of_Entirety posted...
@coh
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Prismsblade
02/02/21 7:09:56 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
what are some ways that our society has become feminized?
Just from my perspective male role models are all but nonexistent anymore. Single motherhood is at all time highs so must boys lack farther figures. Female teachers or daycare workers vastly outnumber man. And even then male teachers or just males in general have a negative stigma around children in society and arent trusted.

Hell even in cartoons I've noticed nowadays that most are female lead with the woman generally possesing the characteristics you'd expect of young boys like being head strong, powerful, adventurous, tough and usually are the first ones to show initiative.

A example would be the ducktales reboot. With Webby and her friends possessing all of the above and being better then the boys in everyway.

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I4NRulez
02/02/21 7:10:57 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Just from my perspective male role models are all but nonexistent anymore.

LOL

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brestugo
02/02/21 7:18:42 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
If I punched you in the face and you're like WTF BRO and I'd be like "Hey man I'm just being a bro. Bros will be bros".
This. It's usually used to excuse jerk behavior. We have excused jerks too long. The world needs gentlemen now more than ever.

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