Current Events > Danish scientists: Is the pandemic over in Sweden?

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We have gone from having one of the highest spreads in Europe back in Spring to now having one of the lowest. Surges are happening all over the West but not here.

The Danes speculate that Swedes have developed high enough immunity combined with our social distancing and hygiene guidelines to keep the virus in check. Having a limit of 50 people at public gatherings hasnt changed since March as well, while several other countries keep going back and forth between hard lockdowns and opening up heavily

Personally, I consider it sensationalistic to say Sweden is done with the pandemic until there is a vaccine though. As long as people get infected and die it is not over.

If our elderly care wasnt a mess our deaths wouldnt have been so high back in March-June on the other hand. The risk for elderly Swedes to get covid-19 was 60 times higher if you lived in a nursing home during the height of the pandemic. Elderly care and healthcare are two very different systems run by different levels. Healthcare is run by the 21 Regions while elderly care is run by the 290 municipalities. 40 municipalities got 70% of the deaths.

The elderly with covid who got hospital care had a 80% survival rate according to geriatricians but many never got that because of decisions made in the nursing homes. Now nursing homes work much better and the spread in them has decreased heavily.

https://politiken.dk/indland/art7929231/Tog-vi-fejl-om-flokimmunitet-De-meget-lave-svenske-smittetal-tyder-p-det

https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-09-14/Does-Sweden-s-COVID-19-experience-support-the-herd-immunity-theory--TL82pOjfpe/index.html

Swedish deaths per day:



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i like how back when we were in the shit, people were going "you can't say for sure if it's terrible or successful until years in the future"
and as soon as it goes down they ignore that and go to "we're amazing, everything is looking great, Sweden is the best...and we're so humble about it too"

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Sweden: 580 deaths/1M
Norway: 49 deaths/1M
Finland: 61 deaths/1M

If you compare the peak of the virus, it peaked in April/March for Norway/Finland, but it didn't peak until June in Sweden. To assume it's over is like assuming it was over in other places after their first peak ended. The second peak will just come later if a vaccine doesn't stop it by then.

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ROBANN_88 posted...

i like how back when we were in the shit, people were going "you can't say for sure if it's terrible or successful until years in the future"
and as soon as it goes down they ignore that and go to "we're amazing, everything is looking great, Sweden is the best...and we're so humble about it too"

It is foreigners talking about it looking great now though. Neither of the two articles are written by Swedes. I agree it is still too early to know for sure what is the best approach regarding this particular virus though.

Ooooooranges posted...

Sweden: 580 deaths/1M
Norway: 49 deaths/1M
Finland: 61 deaths/1M

If you compare the peak of the virus, it peaked in April/March for Norway/Finland, but it didn't peak until June in Sweden. To assume it's over is like assuming it was over in other places after their first peak ended. The second peak will just come later if a vaccine doesn't stop it by then.

The second peak was expected to come as soon as it became Autumn and thankfully that hasnt happened. The common cold is coming back strong in Sweden, as is usual once Summer ends, but covid numbers have not followed that trend so far. Perhaps there will be a second wave but you make it sound like there is an artificial pre-programmed timer in place. We definitely need a working vaccine as soon as possible however and hopefully the virus wont mutate too much by then so the vaccine is useless.

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Also @ROBANN_88 why do you seem upset that infections, hospitalizations and deaths keep seeing a downward trend in your own country?

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What in that post suggests that i'm annoyed about infection rate going down?
Read it again, please

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ROBANN_88 posted...

What in that post suggests that i'm annoyed about infection rate going down?
Read it again, please

The tone of the whole post.

Two articles where foreigners talk about the Swedish situation and how the number of positive tests has shrunk from 19% to 1% despite our testing ability now being vastly expanded compared to back in March. And your reaction to that is complain about some mysterious they not being humble.

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dude, i know we don't usually agree on a lot of stuff, but i know you're better than this, you can read.
nowhere in there did i say "man, i'm so angry that not more people are dying" as is what you're suggesting

my post was simply poiting at the ridiculousness of Tegnell and the various "we have to keep a positive Sweden image" politicians and about how when things were going bad the main reaction was stuff like "we're not taking blame for the bad stuff, can't compare numbers like that" but as soon as it turns it's "of course you can compare numbers like that, it's all because of me"

to be clear, that was blatant hyperbole to make a point, not an actual quote.

and the "humble" part was just a stupid pointless throwaway line, that's on me

and a while back, they said the high numbers were only due to how we're better at corpse-math than Norway, Finland and Denmark.
can we be sure this isn't just them losing their calculator?

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Yeah, I probably read too much into your post. My apologies for that.

If we ignore all other countries and just look at our own numbers from testing, hospitalizations and deaths. They are all way down. Which means something positive is indeed happening.

We test more than ever before yet the number of positive cases keeps going down both per capita and percentage wise.

The number of people who are in a hospital for covid has hit new lows.

We had a high verddlighet (excess mortality) during the first half of 2020. Now we got underddlighet instead (fewer people than normal are dying in Sweden since July).

These 3 things are facts unless you wanna argue that they are fake numbers.

Your comment about corpse math. They did not say it was the only reason and it was in comparison to several EU-nations who for a while did not include dead in nursing home in their covid deaths. Also, some countries mainly write the killing symptom in death reports while some like Sweden write complications from whatever disease it was.

Regardless, countries keep reporting their numbers and now instead of us having higher numbers than many we got lower. This makes the situations easier to compare since it shows how the situation is changing within each nation. That change then becomes comparable.

It would be so much easier to explain this in Swedish but then the other users wouldnt understand what were talking about in case They are interested

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This is how the second wave happens...

Kingbuffet posted...

This is how the second wave happens...

Oh yes, we cannot relax yet!

Which is why the recommendations and changes still are in place.

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BalanceLost posted...

These 3 things are facts unless you wanna argue that they are fake numbers

Nah, those are good points all around.
I have no issue with anything you posted there.

But just to be a bit contrarian, i wonder how much the Underddlighet is due to people who normally would have died now, instead died a few months ago.
But that's a number i'm not skilled enough to do, that math feels a bit too morbid for My taste

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ROBANN_88 posted...

Nah, those are good points all around.
I have no issue with anything you posted there.

But just to be a bit contrarian, i wonder how much the Underddlighet is due to people who normally would have died now, instead died a few months ago.
But that's a number i'm not skilled enough to do, that math feels a bit too morbid for My taste

Yes, everyone involved in calculating that say it is because the pandemic primarily killed elderly and a majority were already in poor health from other diseases since they died in a nursing home. So they would instead have died now if it hadnt been a pandemic. Which is why there now is underddlighet.

I agree, Im also glad I dont have to calculate those numbers.

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