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AlisLandale
08/12/20 8:03:19 AM
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Somebody mentioned the GameCube game in a topic a few days ago and it made me super nostalgic. I kinda want to check out the series.

I know that Robotech ends up transitioning into two completely unrelated shows because of American syndication shenanigans, but I heard that overall the macross arc isnt that different from the original.

So which do I go with? >_>

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St0rmFury
08/12/20 8:16:37 AM
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Macross
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MrToothHasYou
08/12/20 8:18:28 AM
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Probably Macross, but Ill always have a special spot in my heart for Robotech

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08/12/20 8:18:32 AM
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Nazanir
08/12/20 8:45:39 AM
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Robotech.

Also, no poll?

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AlisLandale
08/13/20 11:48:34 PM
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Nazanir posted...
Robotech.

Also, no poll?

i dont believe in polls. >_>

votes seem to skew towards Macross, so I checked out the first episode.

Guys name is literally Focker lol. But Im digging this retro animation. And the jet/mechs are so fucking cool I love these things.

and the brown-haired girl is my freaking aesthetic shes gorgeous >_>



and looking up this picture I think spoiled me on a future romance plot lmao


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BeyondWalls
08/14/20 12:05:50 AM
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It's not an easy question. But I'd vote Robotech, for the most part. The English voice acting for Robotech is miles above the voice acting for English Macross. Also, unless you're REALLY into Japanese theme music (where the intro sounds like its sung by a Japanese lounge lizard) then I suggest Robotech.

Robotech gets a little dodgy when they try to shoehorn stuff in that's not actually happening (like the SDF2), but overall those instances are pretty minor. Overall, the story is pretty much the same.

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inloveanddeath0
08/14/20 12:06:57 AM
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Custom Robo hands down. I haven't played it since 2005 but I had so much fun 100% it

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BeyondWalls
08/14/20 12:11:35 AM
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AlisLandale posted...
. And the jet/mechs are so fucking cool I love these things.
It's amazing that the designer made the first toy design out of like balsa wood. Before CAD or PCs, this guy made the perfect design by hand, out of wood.

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pogo_rabid
08/14/20 12:12:25 AM
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Macross' problem is it can't decide if it's a mecha anime or an idol anime, it straddles the line too much and it brings down every single series.

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BeyondWalls
08/14/20 12:13:04 AM
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BeyondWalls posted...
It's amazing that the designer made the first toy design out of like balsa wood. Before CAD or PCs, this guy made the perfect design by hand, out of wood.


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AlisLandale
08/14/20 12:13:10 AM
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BeyondWalls posted...
It's amazing that the designer made the first toy design out of like balsa wood. Before CAD or PCs, this guy made the perfect design by hand, out of wood.

oh gosssh lol. That sounds crazy. Do you know off-hand if therea anywhere to read about this design/production side of the show?


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BeyondWalls
08/14/20 12:18:23 AM
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AlisLandale posted...
oh gosssh lol. That sounds crazy. Do you know off-hand if therea anywhere to read about this design/production side of the show?
It's everywhere. Just google it. Be sure to google the whole Jetfire/Skyfire/Veritech incident. Carl Macek swore in an interview that Hasbro was trying to sabotage the show. I still have the novels from the 90s out in my garage. They're the definitive version of Robotech in my mind. End of the Circle perfectly ends the series, but then Carl decided it wasn't canon so he could try to revive the series.

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AlisLandale
08/14/20 12:21:56 AM
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aw thanks lol. I'll definitely look that up.

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BeyondWalls
08/14/20 12:43:19 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhn2Zqo59_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZT6UIo1T7M

***Stuff for when you finish the series***


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AlisLandale
08/14/20 10:14:28 AM
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Thanks!

So I checked out the Robotech version of episode two. Dat theme song. Oh gosh I'm flashing back to high school and booting up Battlecry on the gamecube. >_> I might stick with Robotech just for the music nostalgia lol.

"That sure is a lot of damage, you don't have to pay for it do you?"
"I hope not."

lmao

Oh, Minmi says she has to run back to her house in the middle of a warzone because she left her diary and was afraid someone might read it. This line was so stupid I had to load up Macross just to see if that's what she actually said. The subs on Tubi tv just have her saying "I left something at the house". Still dumb, but at least she's got the benefit of the doubt that it was something actually important. >_>

Oh, and this fucking shot right here. This one. This shot. This.

https://imgur.com/Q64bN9n

I like this

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BeyondWalls
08/14/20 11:32:59 AM
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That shot gets played a lot in commercials. I believe it makes a come back in a dream sequence too.

Is the English sub version of Macross still available online? I watched it years ago on Hulu.

There's also two versions of Robotech online right now (I believe both are on Tubi.) There's the original broadcast version (which I end up watching) and there's the updated version they made like 15 years ago with a better transfer, nudity, and updated graphics.

If you finish the Macross Saga then I highly recommend the Invivd Saga as well. The Robotech Masters Saga is the weakest part. It's probably the weakest looking visually and seems kind of disjointed because it's the series that got cut up the worst. But it's not the worst thing in the world. The books do it more justice.

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AlisLandale
08/14/20 11:59:00 AM
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Yeah, Tubi has Macross. You just need to turn on closed captioning for the English subs.

And thanks. So is the Invid saga the third then? Should I skip the Masters?

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BeyondWalls
08/14/20 12:13:49 PM
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AlisLandale posted...
Yeah, Tubi has Macross. You just need to turn on closed captioning for the English subs.

And thanks. So is the Invid saga the third then? Should I skip the Masters?
Eh.... I recommend watching at least an episode of the Masters before you decide to skip it. The Masters storyline becomes really important if you move past the cartoon into like the books. But the books do it WAY more justice. I have a complicated love/hate relationship with the Masters saga because the anime they cut up to make it had an interesting story in itself and while some of that gets brought back into the books, it's just wiped away in the cartoon. Like the Japanese version isn't even set on Earth, it's a colony in deep space. But as a kid you didn't know that, you just sit there wondering when Rick Hunter is going to show back up.

As for Macross, I meant that there's an english voice dub version out there somewhere. I meant dub, not sub.

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ssjevot
08/14/20 12:18:29 PM
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You should watch Macross because there are other Macross series too and some are better than the original.

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BeyondWalls
08/14/20 12:31:06 PM
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ssjevot posted...
You should watch Macross because there are other Macross series too and some are better than the original.
Eh..... HIGHLY disputed. But you get the Macross plot in Robotech so it's not like someone who watched Robotech is going to be lost watching one of the vaguely connected sequels.

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coh
08/14/20 12:32:16 PM
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I thought Robotech was just what Macross was called in the west
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Foppe
08/14/20 12:33:31 PM
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Macross.
The good thing is that they didnt chance it too much in Robotech.

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Tyranthraxus
08/14/20 12:34:56 PM
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I recall Robotech English VA was so good they rereleased it in Japan with Japanese subtitles.

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TheMikh
08/14/20 12:37:02 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
Macross' problem is it can't decide if it's a mecha anime or an idol anime, it straddles the line too much and it brings down every single series.
do you remember love was a fantastic song

they can do whatever they want

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NinjaWarrior455
08/14/20 12:37:03 PM
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Macross. Robotech is a fucking abomination that steals the footage of several shows and Frankenstein's it together to make their own show. So many people don't give credit to the original work because Harmony Gold has the Macross license and doesn't actually want to distribute the series properly in the west. Harmony Gold is fucking scum and should not be given any credit for their shit practices or for Robotech.

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ssjevot
08/14/20 12:38:48 PM
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BeyondWalls posted...
Eh..... HIGHLY disputed. But you get the Macross plot in Robotech so it's not like someone who watched Robotech is going to be lost watching one of the vaguely connected sequels.

Macross Plus is amazing.

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BeyondWalls
08/14/20 12:43:24 PM
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...
So many people don't give credit to the original work because Harmony Gold has the Macross license
I feel like that's a completely separate issue. Yeah, Harmony Gold is the devil. But Carl Macek was a pretty nice guy and so were the people who actually worked on the show.

ssjevot posted...
Macross Plus is amazing.
What?! Ugh. Well, you do you buddy.

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BeyondWalls
08/14/20 12:47:42 PM
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ssjevot posted...
Macross Plus is amazing.
I will say, however, this is by FAR my most favorite song to ever come out of the entire franchise...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow9V1k2WWKY

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Foppe
08/14/20 12:48:11 PM
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Speaking about ripoffs, early Battletech media had lots of mecha that were direct copies of different mecha shows, including Macross.
That resulted in some lawsuits in the 90s which resulted in the mechas being called The Unseen and dropped.


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Tyranthraxus
08/14/20 12:52:12 PM
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Foppe posted...
Speaking about ripoffs, early Battletech media had lots of mecha that were direct copies of different mecha shows, including Macross.
That resulted in some lawsuits in the 90s which resulted in the mechas being called The Unseen and dropped.

Actually it was an official collab between Battletech and Robotech but the legal part of it fell into shambles after 1 year and they went oop forever. If you have any merchandise or minis they're worth a bit of money.

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ZeroX91
08/14/20 12:55:23 PM
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The correct answer is gundam.

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BeyondWalls
08/14/20 12:57:58 PM
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Foppe posted...
Speaking about ripoffs, early Battletech media had lots of mecha that were direct copies of different mecha shows, including Macross.
That resulted in some lawsuits in the 90s which resulted in the mechas being called The Unseen and dropped.
Also worth noting is that the ExoSquad toyline also featured several Macross toys.

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BeyondWalls
08/14/20 1:00:53 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLKAlRpghmA

Here's the ultimate litmus test. Knowing that this is what Macross ultimate evolves into, if you watch that video and think "hell yeah" then you're probably better off with Macross. If you watch that video and nope the fuck out then you're better off sticking with Robotech.

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DirkDiggles
08/14/20 1:12:40 PM
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Not mine, posted this because this person has the same tastes as mine.

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Illuminoius
08/14/20 1:13:12 PM
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monpiece
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ZeroX91
08/14/20 1:14:21 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
Huh...i didnt know sage posted on gamefaqs...how come you the only normal person to come out of the channel awesome nuthouse? :p

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AlisLandale
08/14/20 1:20:07 PM
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BeyondWalls posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLKAlRpghmA

Here's the ultimate litmus test. Knowing that this is what Macross ultimate evolves into, if you watch that video and think "hell yeah" then you're probably better off with Macross. If you watch that video and nope the fuck out then you're better off sticking with Robotech.

https://i.imgur.com/1yxLyJm.gif

on one hand, thats a few tiers of weeb above my pay grade.

on the other hand, morbid curiosity urges me to follow Macross just to see how it reaches that level lmao


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BeyondWalls
08/14/20 1:26:28 PM
#39:


AlisLandale posted...
on the other hand, morbid curiosity urges me to follow Macross just to see how it reaches that level lmao
I wouldn't call the follow-up series direct continuations. They're more like spin off series that I guess are set in the same universe, but sometimes you start to wonder. It's not like it's the continuing adventures of Rick Hunter. I think this is just what all Japanese shows eventually evolve into given time.

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NinjaWarrior455
08/14/20 1:29:21 PM
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The series itself remains the same in future installments. The major changes come with the mech design and the style of music used which usually reflects what was popular during it's creation. Delta which is the most recent series has Walkure as the main unit which uses idol music. The robot fights and singing during battle still remain.

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Ricemills
08/14/20 1:41:31 PM
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fuck robotech
fuck Harmony Gold

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Foppe
08/14/20 1:43:42 PM
#42:


BeyondWalls posted...
Also worth noting is that the ExoSquad toyline also featured several Macross toys.
Star Trek TNG used some parts from Macross model kits when they created a starship, and a Valkyrie wing was used as shrapel.

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Ricemills
08/14/20 1:43:43 PM
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also, my favourite song of the Macross franchise:
https://youtu.be/WOVaAOPoEto

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meralonne
08/14/20 9:00:09 PM
#44:


Ricemills posted...
fuck robotech
fuck Harmony Gold

Tell us how you really feel!
But seriously, why the extreme hate?

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ZeroX91
08/14/20 10:26:43 PM
#45:


Ricemills posted...
fuck robotech
fuck Harmony Gold
Ngl Robotech was funner regardless of how much of a frankenstein it is.

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BeyondWalls
08/14/20 10:41:15 PM
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ZeroX91 posted...
Ngl Robotech was funner regardless of how much of a frankenstein it is.
I mean, the Macross Saga really isnt that different. The Robotech Masters is where they really start chopping stuff up. Its the Southern Cross fans who should be really pissed. You know, if there were any Southern Cross fans.

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KamenRiderBlade
08/14/20 10:44:03 PM
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Macross

Consistent Expanded Universe from the original rights holder in Japan.

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BeyondWalls
08/14/20 10:46:34 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
Macross

Consistent Expanded Universe from the original rights holder in Japan.
Yeah... but its not the greatest expanded universe.

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HBOSS
08/14/20 11:09:30 PM
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https://youtu.be/gMsEFWO_oi0

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KamenRiderBlade
08/14/20 11:15:43 PM
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BeyondWalls posted...
Yeah... but its not the greatest expanded universe.
I never said that.

I just said "Consistent"

=D

Which ever one you think is better is "Subjective" and I'll leave that to each individual because I like the original Macross EU.

But that's me.


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