Current Events > Disney hints LGBT+ rep in Star Wars IX...lol

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https://variety.com/2019/film/news/star-wars-finn-poe-not-boyfriends-lgbtq-representation-1203423286/

If this is going to be on the level of Endgame's queer representation, they can keep it.


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refmon posted...

Endgame's queer representation

wat
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

refmon posted...
Endgame's queer representation

wat

Exactly

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refmon posted...

Exactly

What was meant to be the representation
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Idc anymore

They cant even write a proper straight relationship in star wars, but if they want to assign a random char as gay, idc

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Doesn't Lando screw whomever he wants anyways?

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Can we have george lucas edit the prequels again with luke announcing hes gay

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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

What was meant to be the representation

Some guy in a support group was talking about a date with his boyfriend and how they're all depressed. It was like 30 seconds.
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The filmmaker noted that hes always strived to find a cast for Star Wars that looked more the way the world looks than not.

Wow I want the exact opposite of this.

Disney is lame for not doing more with aliens and robots.

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The_Ivory_Man posted...

Wow I want the exact opposite of this.

Disney is lame for not doing more with aliens and robots.

Which part of the world?

spanky1 posted...

Some guy in a support group was talking about a date with his boyfriend and how they're all depressed. It was like 30 seconds.

Oh yeah with Steve.
That... that was just fucking nothing
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I don't really care one way or the other for minority representation, but bad representation can suck it. Make an actual character who is gay or just don't bother. This "Hi, I'm Gay" shit is embarrassing.

As if adding or turning a character gay is going to make this dumpster fire of a movie any better.

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Yeah the thing in Marvel was praised
But really it was "Yes, Captain America isn't an idiot. That's not the first meeting they had and I'm quite sure he'd have said either except the dude likes dudes or you can't be here"
But it was treated like Steve himself was on a date with a dude by a lot of people
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Why should this bother anyone?

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

Doesn't Lando screw whomever he wants anyways?

You're thinking Billy Dee Williams.

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And?

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Making Poe and Finn gay would have been cool but they didn't have the stones to do it.

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Esrac posted...

Which part of the world?

....All of it?

I mean I'm fine with seeing jungles or oceans on different planets but they should still be doing different stuff with all of it, through the flora, life, or the weather.

And the cast shouldn't be nearly entirely human, I want to see more aliens and androids filling it out, make me interested in these alien cultures and biology.

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GoodOlJr posted...

Can we have george lucas edit the prequels again with luke announcing hes gay

What do you think "Maclunkey" means? Greedo was telling Han "I love you"

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who gives a shit

who honestly goes to star wars movies thinking "man I really wish there were some gay people in this"

DarthAragorn posted...

who gives a shit

who honestly goes to star wars movies thinking "man I really wish there were some gay people in this"

me

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DarthAragorn posted...

who gives a shit

who honestly goes to star wars movies thinking "man I really wish there were some gay people in this"

Full disclosure, I'm not a big fan of forced, obvious pandering, but...

I imagine a lot of gay people would think that?

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Intangible posted...

You're thinking Billy Dee Williams.

He's probably talking about that part in Solo where it was implied Lando had sex with his sassy droid friend.

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Knights of the Old Republic had a lesbian character.

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DarthAragorn posted...

who gives a shit

who honestly goes to star wars movies thinking "man I really wish there were some gay people in this"

There definitely are people but, yeah, I don't really get it. I've never needed to see a cishet white dude in order to consume a piece of media, and I don't understand why people need to see people like them. Maybe it's because I always have been represented, but it really seems like people just need to ease up about the fictional media they consume. \_()_/

creativerealms posted...

Why should this bother anyone?

Because a lot of people really really fucking hate that LGBT+ is a thing. A gay couple, no matter how subtle is, "Shoving their agenda down our throats" but centuries of "Boy meets girl" is just a normal thing what's the problem?


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I wish filmmakers could just include gay representation without announcing it. It seems insincere like a box they had to check off when they announce it like this, especially when it'll probably be addressed in passing.
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If it isnt Poe and Finn then who gives a fuck?

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China don't want see it so it won't happen

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Smashingpmkns posted...

I wish filmmakers could just include gay representation without announcing it. It seems insincere like a box they had to check off when they announce it like this, especially when it'll probably be addressed in passing.

This, tbh. Doesn't feel genuine when they go "by the way, we got an LGBT character in this movie! Brownie points for us, right!?"

I don't remember if they did the same thing with the gay guy in Endgame, but that part didn't feel forced anyway. I didn't even remember it until now and I watched Endgame like a few weeks ago.

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Umbreon posted...

Because a lot of people really really fucking hate that LGBT+ is a thing. A gay couple, no matter how subtle is, "Shoving their agenda down our throats" but centuries of "Boy meets girl" is just a normal thing what's the problem?

Let's be real here, most of it is pretty ham fisted pandering. There certainly are bigots but not everyone who rolls their eyes at the idea of it is a homophobe.

They already jumped the lgbqt shark by making Lando a droid fucker.

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specialkid8 posted...

Maybe it's because I always have been represented

This is ultimately the endgame here. Normalization.

For example, 99% of romantic comedies are about a heterosexual man and a heterosexual woman. That's just how things are, it's normal.

But if one is about someone gay then a lot of people make a fuss. For better and for worse. There are gay people who are happy because representation is essentially acknowledgement that they exist, and that it's perfectly fine that they do. They just want gay to be perfectly normal and mundane as being hetero is. It's hard to do that when they're barely in media, and when they do it's either as a punchline (Which happens much less these days), or if people are going to complain it's "forced". That's not to say someone can't boutch it up....

Tldr: The underrepresented just want to be on the same level as what is considered the norm.

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specialkid8 posted...

Let's be real here, most of it is pretty ham fisted pandering. There certainly are bigots but not everyone who rolls their eyes at the idea of it is a homophobe.

True, not everyone. The issue is literally anything can be written off as "arbitrary" or "pandering". Where do we draw the line?

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Umbreon posted...

This is ultimately the endgame here. Normalization.

For example, 99% of romantic comedies are about a heterosexual man and a heterosexual woman. That's just how things are, it's normal.

But if one is about someone gay then a lot of people make a fuss. For better and for worse. There are gay people who are happy because representation is essentially acknowledgement that they exist, and that it's perfectly fine that they do. They just want gay to be perfectly normal and mundane as being hetero is. It's hard to do that when they're barely in media, and when they do it's either as a punchline (Which happens much less these days), or if people are going to complain it's "forced". That's not to say someone can't boutch it up....

Tldr: The underrepresented just want to be on the same level as what is considered the norm.

Definitely agree.Too many people call attention to it so they can pat themselves on the back which annoys other people and now it's a whole cycle. Just do it and move on. Annihilation came out a few years ago and it was an almost entirely female movie with a good gay character and no one talked about it. Honestly I wish more people talked about that movie because it was great but I love that they just made the movie they wanted to and moved on.

Umbreon posted... True, not everyone. The issue is literally anything can be written off as "arbitrary" or "pandering". Where do we draw the line?

Who knows? Everything is gonna piss someone off. Best to just tone down on the legit pandering and ignore the people complaining about nothing.

Umbreon posted...

True, not everyone. The issue is literally anything can be written off as "arbitrary" or "pandering". Where do we draw the line?

It's not really hard to do.
You could have put in Korg or something as having an interest in men. The problem when it's something like the Avengers example, that's literally "hey yo we got a gay guy for 3 seconds in the movie, go us!"
Pandering is when being gay is literally the defining trait.

Think of Hulk would be if he was just "turns green, smashes", nothing else. Doesn't care for the others, Tasha and him don't have a bond, nothing. His stuff in (MCU spoilers) Thor 3 doesn't have him talking, no relationships with Valkyrie or Thor, just fights Thor, the end that
s pandering since Hulk is gone from "character with traits" to "he angry"
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I still think they should've had Finn and Rey be together. They're too scared to even do that. Smh.

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evil_zombie11 posted...

I still think they should've had Finn and Rey be together. They're too scared to even do that. Smh.

That would go over less well than two gay characters together, tbh.
Gay characters tend to be given a "ugh they exist but okay" from homophobes. Racists on the other hand tend to get pretty aggressive a fictional black dude stole their fictional white woman
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Poe should transition to a woman for episode 9

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BakonBitz posted...

This, tbh. Doesn't feel genuine when they go "by the way, we got an LGBT character in this movie! Brownie points for us, right!?"

I don't remember if they did the same thing with the gay guy in Endgame, but that part didn't feel forced anyway. I didn't even remember it until now and I watched Endgame like a few weeks ago.

Yep, bottom line is if they go out of their way to announce that there will be lgbt representation, it's fucking pandering. Obviously this doesn't count for movies where the main plot is a gay romance, it'd be a little weird if they left that out of the trailers/etc.

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It's hard for me to believe Disney or any of these other big media conglomerates really care about inclusivity or representation. They only care about making more money. And I'm LBGT before people start accusing me of being a homophobe or bigot. Or maybe I'm just a self hater?

One of my favorite fictional characters of all time is a gay black man (Omar from The Wire). His sexuality is kind of a big part of his character since he's a gay man in a very homophobic world of criminals, but it comes off naturally and not like a corporation got a think tank together to come up with ways to get the LBGT market and get brownie points for it.

I guess it's just my cynicism.

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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

The problem when it's something like the Avengers example, that's literally "hey yo we got a gay guy for 3 seconds in the movie, go us!"
Pandering is when being gay is literally the defining trait.

I can see your point. It's not good representation if the gay character is just token and irrelevant. I agree that such a thing is lazy.

The thing is that any focus is considered "forcing it down out throats" by many of the complainers. It's hard to have a well rounded, relevant character who "Oh btw they're gay" because so many people will still call that pandering, or call it arbitrary.

Of course part of the issue is also companies doing dumb things. Either they play it safe (Which means little to no representation) or they fall into old stereotypes (Guess who was the sassy, street smart but undereducated Ghostbuster in the new movie and also a comedic relief?)....

Well admittedly I don't watch a ton of movies these days so I'm running a bit on memory.

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Thanks for directing more hate towards us Disney. Of course, you would never produce a movie that makes a gay man look cool for once.

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thing about Endgame is it goes both ways

having some no-name background character be all "hey, I'm gay" is really dumb (not to mention easily removed in editing for foreign markets) BUT it also goes towards normalization in that not all gay people are special snowflakes who have to be lead characters

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Smashingpmkns posted...

I wish filmmakers could just include gay representation without announcing it. It seems insincere like a box they had to check off when they announce it like this, especially when it'll probably be addressed in passing.

Are they really making a big unnecessary announcement when they're constantly being directly asked about it in interviews? Are they supposed to just not answer?

Southernfatman posted...

It's hard for me to believe Disney or any of these other big media conglomerates really care about inclusivity or representation. They only care about making more money. And I'm LBGT before people start accusing me of being a homophobe or bigot. Or maybe I'm just a self hater?

One of my favorite fictional characters of all time is a gay black man (Omar from The Wire). His sexuality is kind of a big part of his character since he's a gay man in a very homophobic world of criminals, but it comes off naturally and not like a corporation got a think tank together to come up with ways to get the LBGT market and get brownie points for it.

I guess it's just my cynicism.

Omar is one of the greatest characters ever tbh. I agree with this.

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Finn and Poe Arent Boyfriends

Preorder cancelled.

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