Current Events > Hypothetically if there was undeniable evidence that God doesn't exist....

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And if there isn't an after life how would religious people/ society react to it. I mean if even the most hard core Christians can sent an evidence type level.
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I dealt with it at 14 years old, I think the world would be just fine
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I doubt any of them would be swayed by undeniable evidence, because their entire faith is based on believing something without evidence.

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Tmaster148 posted...

I doubt any of them would be swayed by undeniable evidence, because their entire faith is based on believing something without evidence.

Basically this. The hardcore fundamentalists that is.
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Tmaster148 posted...

I doubt any of them would be swayed by undeniable evidence, because their entire faith is based on believing something without evidence.

"Why can't reason end faith?" is like the atheist version of "Why does God let bad things happen?"

Just as atheists would not be swayed by undeniable evidence either.

If God manifested and kicked an atheist in the nuts, they wouldn't believe it. To be fair I wouldn't believe it either, but that's because I know the kind of evidence that would "hypothetically" convince atheists doesn't exist, and anything resembling it is fake.

I'm curious though. What could for example be undeniable evidence of God's non-existence?

If God is truly Omnipotent as in all knowing, powerful, and loving; then he surely will know what kind of evidence it would take to convince an atheist individually.
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Colorahdo posted...

I dealt with it at 14 years old, I think the world would be just fine

not everyone is the same. some people cling to religion cause it's all they have. I think there are people who would go insane. or just turn into psychopaths

They would deny it and say that God is just testing them to see if they truly have faith
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Prestoff posted...

If God is truly Omnipotent as in all knowing, powerful, and loving; then he surely will know what kind of evidence it would take to convince an atheist individually.

Sure, but God (obviously) doesn't have to convince anyone of their existence, so it doesn't happen.

Again though, what would be undeniable evidence of God's non-existence?

closetjpopfan posted...

Prestoff posted...

If God is truly Omnipotent as in all knowing, powerful, and loving; then he surely will know what kind of evidence it would take to convince an atheist individually.

Sure, but God (obviously) doesn't have to convince anyone of their existence, so it doesn't happen.

Again though, what would be undeniable evidence of God's non-existence?

A time machine. It would let you see the world during biblical times and witness what actually happened. You could bring a camera with you and record everything
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Feline_Heart posted...

A time machine. It would let you see the world during biblical times and witness what actually happened. You could bring a camera with you and record everything

what if there is God though but it's not the Christian God? maybe Hinduism is the truth. better take the time machine to ancient India instead

Feline_Heart posted...

A time machine. It would let you see the world during biblical times and witness what actually happened. You could bring a camera with you and record everything

Nope. Even if you had a time machine and you witnessed some event that's part of a religious tradition, that's not undeniable proof of God's existence. In fact it'd be extremely foolish of anyone to think so, atheist or not.

And if you witness a supernatural event, for which a time machine wouldn't be needed, you can also believe that there is some natural explanation for it. Hell, something as simple as you're a brain in a vat takes care of practically anything.

closetjpopfan posted...

Sure, but God (obviously) doesn't have to convince anyone of their existence, so it doesn't happen.

It's simply illogical for a qualification to get into "heaven" is by believing in God without doing anything to prove its own existence. Hence the post I quoted to be true.

closetjpopfan posted...

Again though, what would be undeniable evidence of God's non-existence?

When I'm talking about God, I'm talking about the Judeo Christian God from the Abrahamic religions, which can easily be proven wrong by debunking the claims from the bible.

But if we're talking about God as a concent like how deists or agnostics think, then yes there is absolutely no way to do so because you can't prove a negative. Debunking something that can not be falsifiable is just silly and a waste of time. Hence why this is simply a hypothetical. In my opinion, even if something is illogical there will always be people who believe in illogical things because of reason and I won't fault them for it because sometimes I do the same thing as well.
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I will believe in God as soon as we know he exists, which I guess would kind of throw out the need for belief.

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Prestoff posted...

If God is truly Omnipotent as in all knowing, powerful, and loving; then he surely will know what kind of evidence it would take to convince an atheist individually.

The kind of person he has to convince to that extent he would probably be filtering out on purpose.

closetjpopfan posted...

Feline_Heart posted...

A time machine. It would let you see the world during biblical times and witness what actually happened. You could bring a camera with you and record everything

Nope. Even if you had a time machine and you witnessed some event that's part of a religious tradition, that's not undeniable proof of God's existence. In fact it'd be extremely foolish of anyone to think so, atheist or not.

And if you witness a supernatural event, for which a time machine wouldn't be needed, you can also believe that there is some natural explanation for it. Hell, something as simple as you're a brain in a vat takes care of practically anything.

Oh i thought you were gonna say if he saw moses split the sea it could be logically explained as aliens lol
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closetjpopfan posted...

Just as atheists would not be swayed by undeniable evidence either.

If God manifested and kicked an atheist in the nuts, they wouldn't believe it.

This isn't true at all
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DuranOfForcena posted...

there is undeniable evidence that god doesn't exist

Aliens?
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DuranOfForcena posted...

there is undeniable evidence that god doesn't exist

Or the fact marilyn manson challenged him & survived?
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

Why are people so God damn obtuse that they can't actually go along with a hypothetical? Why do they always have to pull the "akchooalee that wouldn't happen" shit.

I'd think the most hardcore would fall into pretty severe existential crisis. They'd need social support more than ever. The rest would likely come to terms with it over a short amount of time.

they're not going along with it because the hypothetical is impossible. there is no possible proof that an imaginary bring doesn't exist.

unless by evidence we acknowledge that there is already evidence, in which case it isn't hypothetical.

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greatmonkeybaby posted...

DuranOfForcena posted...

there is undeniable evidence that god doesn't exist

Or the fact marilyn manson challenged him & survived?

Like marilyn manson literally had a lightning bolt on the podium of his antichrist superstar acts tempting his enemy in heaven to strike him.

Dude literally had a run called Against All Gods too so if Thoth exists he was dissing him too.
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If it was proven and everyone believed it, there would be a massive spike in really shittiness towards others :/

malenz posted...

If it was proven and everyone believed it, there would be a massive spike in really shittiness towards others :/

Yeah it's a shame that the threat or reward of eternal consequence is the only thing keeping some people stable

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hockeybub89 posted...

malenz posted...

If it was proven and everyone believed it, there would be a massive spike in really shittiness towards others :/

Yeah it's a shame that the threat or reward of eternal consequence is the only thing keeping some people stable

You're right that's literally the only reason someone i know hasn't assassinated me yet iah.
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malenz posted...

If it was proven and everyone believed it, there would be a massive spike in really shittiness towards others :/

Go work any service job on a Sunday and tell me religion is holding poor behavior at bay. If anything, people use religion to excuse their shitty behavior towards others. Imagine if churches taught Kant instead of pushing the Second Great Awakening. Imagine if people cared about the future of the Earth instead of their future in heaven.

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Prestoff posted...

It's simply illogical for a qualification to get into "heaven" is by believing in God without doing anything to prove its own existence. Hence the post I quoted to be true.

Again, if by belief in God you mean 100% undeniable certainty that God exists then no, God doesn't ask for that, nor is that a requirement for anything. God doesn't even fully reveal themselves, so how could they possibly ask anybody to believe in them (in that way)? People wouldn't even know what the hell exactly to believe in. This is (one reason) why it's impossible to have undeniable evidence of God's existence. That isn't to say that there's no evidence at all for God's existence. But it's not the kind of evidence that would satisfy a skeptic. There's no such evidence. The existence of such evidence is illogical.

When I'm talking about God, I'm talking about the Judeo Christian God from the Abrahamic religions, which can easily be proven wrong by debunking the claims from the bible.

Then why the hell would you even mention this God? Why would you waste a second of your time thinking about it? Honestly, do you get any sort of satisfaction at all from beating straw men?

In my opinion, even if something is illogical there will always be people who believe in illogical things because of reason and I won't fault them for it because sometimes I do the same thing as well.

I think if something is illogical you should call it illogical, you shouldn't believe in it and you should let people know they're silly for believing in it. Now, how is it illogical to believe in God? Lack of undeniable evidence doesn't equal illogical.

ChocoboMogALT posted...

Go work any service job on a Sunday and tell me religion is holding poor behavior at bay. If anything, people use religion to excuse their shitty behavior towards others. Imagine if churches taught Kant instead of pushing the Second Great Awakening. Imagine if people cared about the future of the Earth instead of their future in heaven.

First of all, Kant's entire philosophy is based on the existence of God. Secondly, people caring about the future of Earth is not mutually exclusive with caring about their future in heaven.

DuranOfForcena posted...

If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward then, brother, that person is a piece of shit.

- Detective Rustin Cohle

So what's a good reason for people to be decent?

closetjpopfan posted...

So what's a good reason for people to be decent?

Cooperation benefits everyone including themselves? Not being a sociopath?

The notion that morality is tied to religion is bunk.

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refmon posted...

And if there isn't an after life how would religious people/ society react to it.

I would be scared and I would buy a shit load of supplies so I can stay in my home for about a month.
Why?
Because there are going to be a shit load of people losing their fucking minds as they are running around streets destroying, murdering, and doing a shit load of other horrible shit to other people because the main thing they believed in is proven to not be true and that's going to drive a shit load of people insane and very bloodthirsty.

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there are different definitions of god to build on on if one theological definition falls flat
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DuranOfForcena posted...

closetjpopfan posted...

So what's a good reason for people to be decent?

if this is a question that you feel you have to ask in response to the quote i posted, then likely no answer anyone can give will be good enough

Sorry, let me rephrase. What in your opinion is a good reason for people to be decent?

Tmaster148 posted...

I doubt any of them would be swayed by undeniable evidence, because their entire faith is based on believing something without evidence.

Agreed.
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Gladius_ posted...

If you believe in multi-verse theory even if you can prove god doesn't exist in our reality you cannot prove god doesn't exist in all realities. Perhaps the original people who conceived God perceived through a vision that transcended our reality into another and that's where their belief came from?

Or maybe... God doesn't exist.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Cooperation benefits everyone including themselves? Not being a sociopath?

And tell me again please why exactly people who believe in God and even some sort of "divine reward" for being decent cannot possibly think this way?

Gladius_ posted...

closetjpopfan posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Cooperation benefits everyone including themselves? Not being a sociopath?

And tell me again please why exactly people who believe in God and even some sort of "divine reward" for being decent cannot possibly think this way?

I think his point is that people can be decent whether or not they believe in God. You don't need to believe in God to be a good person.

Right, it's a stupid argument to bring up in the first place. Most people who are good aren't good just because of the promise of some reward. It's a nice incentive, but ultimately it's not the real reason. If the idea of heaven didn't exist most religious people who are already good would continue to be good. Same as good atheists.

Hell now, that's a much better incentive to not be bad. Even then however, if people (say for example Buddhists) stopped believing in it most wouldn't suddenly turn evil, because there's already a pretty good reason to not be bad: censure and punishment in the here and now. Same as for bad atheists. You don't need to believe in God to be a bad person, you know.