Current Events > Death toll rises in Bolivia following coup

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bolivia-election/bolivian-police-battle-with-morales-supporters-death-toll-jumps-idUSKBN1XQ0HY

The United Nations warned on Saturday violence in Bolivia could spin out of control following recent skirmishes between security forces and coca farmers loyal to ousted President Evo Morales that have left nine dead.

Morales resigned under pressure from Bolivias police and military last Sunday after evidence of vote rigging tainted his Oct. 20 election victory. He fled to Mexico two days after his resignation.

The leftist and charismatic former coca farmer has since called his ouster a right-wing coup and decried growing allegations of repression by security forces under interim President and former conservative lawmaker Jeanine Anez.

The coup leaders massacre indigenous and humble people for asking for democracy, Morales said on Twitter following reports of mounting deaths.
Anez has blamed Morales for stoking violence from abroad, and has said her government wishes to hold elections and meet with the opposition to halt protests.

U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet warned escalating violence could usurp the democratic process.

I am concerned that the situation in Bolivia could spin out of control if the authorities do not handle it ... with full respect for human rights, Bachelet said in a statement.

The violence in Bolivia adds to growing unrest in the region, including in neighbor Chile, where protests over social inequalities boiled over into riots that left at least 20 dead. Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina have also seen widespread strikes, protests and riots in recent months.

Cochabamba ombudsman Nelson Cox said hospital records in the coca farming region showed the vast majority of Fridays deaths and injuries were caused by bullet wounds.

We are working with the national ombudsmans office to conduct autopsies ... and seek justice for these victims, Cox told Reuters.

More than 100 people were injured in the skirmishes, the ombudsman said.

Coca farmers in some protests were also heavily-armed, police said, carrying weapons ranging from handguns and boxes of grenades to home-made bazookas made from sawed-off pipes in sometimes fierce stand-offs.

U.N. envoy Jean Arnault said a team would hold meetings with politicians and social groups beginning Sunday to end the violence and push for free and transparent elections.

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LatinX Spring?
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CIA spring

Malfunction posted...

CIA spring

Probably not the CIA fostering protests about inequality in Chile
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https://youtu.be/1gLe9TK4CFs

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solidarity with the rightful president morales and the people of bolivia tbh

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261 has a ton of neoliberal shills that are defending this as a totally-not-cia-backed-coup despite looking exactly like every cia backed coup in the last 60 years
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ThyCorndog posted...

solidarity with the rightful president morales and the people of bolivia tbh

Wasn't the last president literally over their term limit and evidence suggests they may have rigged the election to get elected in the first place? Like, even if the vote rigging didn't happen they were still in violation of their country's own Constitution in running.

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s0nicfan posted...

Wasn't the last president literally over their term limit and evidence suggests they may have rigged the election to get elected in the first place? Like, even if the vote rigging didn't happen they were still in violation of their country's own Constitution in running.

In 2009 there was a constitutional amendment to place term limits. In 2017 it was abolished, so it wasn't illegal but I totally understand why someone wouldn't like it. I don't think it's a good look. But the fact is that he did win again. There was no rigging and that's anti leftist propaganda. He even offered to redo the election if people were so concerned

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What signs are there that this coup is CIA orchestrated?
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ThyCorndog posted...

In 2009 there was a constitutional amendment to place term limits. In 2017 it was abolished, so it wasn't illegal but I totally understand why someone wouldn't like it. I don't think it's a good look. But the fact is that he did win again. There was no rigging and that's anti leftist propaganda. He even offered to redo the election if people were so concerned

I'm seeing historically factually accurate sites like the BBC and Reuters reporting that there were oddities. Is the argument here that every mainstream media source is pirating some sort of conspiracy? Or that they're part of some sort of anti leftist coalition?

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s0nicfan posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

solidarity with the rightful president morales and the people of bolivia tbh

Wasn't the last president literally over their term limit and evidence suggests they may have rigged the election to get elected in the first place? Like, even if the vote rigging didn't happen they were still in violation of their country's own Constitution in running.

There was no vote rigging. There was an accusation of vote rigging by the OAS with no evidence to back it up.

In terms of the term limit, their Supreme Court (elected by the people) allowed him to run for another term. He still won with a large majority of the vote.

Now they have a fascist interim president allowing the military to kill with impunity.

Morales extended his term limit several times through undemocratic means, then during this election the polling just so happened to crash, later Morales learned that he miraculously got just enough votes to prevent a runoff election. Come on. The shittiness of interim leaders doesn't wash Morales' hands.
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s0nicfan posted...

I'm seeing historically factually accurate sites like the BBC and Reuters reporting that there were oddities. Is the argument here that every mainstream media source is pirating some sort of conspiracy? Or that they're part of some sort of anti leftist coalition?

they're all talking about the findings oas, which is an american led organization. we don't really have the best history with dealing with leftist governments in latin america. so I'm taking what they say with a pinch of salt. especially since independent investigations everything looked fine

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CommonStar posted...

There was no vote rigging. There was an accusation of vote rigging by the OAS with no evidence to back it up.

In terms of the term limit, their Supreme Court (elected by the people) allowed him to run for another term. He still won with a large majority of the vote.

Now they have a fascist interim president allowing the military to kill with impunity.

this

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iPhone_7 posted...

What signs are there that this coup is CIA orchestrated?

ThyCorndog posted...

they're all talking about the findings oas, which is an american led organization. we don't really have the best history with dealing with leftist governments in latin america. so I'm taking what they say with a pinch of salt. especially since independent investigations everything looked fine

Could you link me to a report detailing the independent investigations? I'm not saying you're lying, but I have yet to see any mention of that from a reputable organization.

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The supreme court abolished term limits under the logic that they violate the human right to be elected

The year prior they had a public referendum to abolish term limits. The public voted no.
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here's a twitter thread that will explain it better than me cause i'm just a gamefaqs.gamespot.com shitposter

https://twitter.com/kevinmcashman/status/1193703918624108544

it lays out the background and then goes into the oas' findings

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lol, literally trusting the Organization of American States about possible election irregularities in Latin America

there are so many things wrong with that sentence

ThyCorndog posted...

here's a twitter thread that will explain it better than me cause i'm just a gamefaqs.gamespot.com shitposter

https://twitter.com/kevinmcashman/status/1193703918624108544 (click to expand)

Really liked the "Getting the courts you packed with loyalist to declare term limits a human rights violation isn't authoritarian" part. Very unbiased take.

This Reddit post sums it up p well:

Answer: Before all this, Evo Morales said he had proof there was going to be an attempt to delegitimize the next election and a coup attempt. That audio (in Spanish) has been released and it's the coup leaders flat out saying as such--they said they're going to claim the elections illegitimate and use the military to kick Morales out. They also implicate U.S. Senator Marco Rubio in the audio, saying they were confident he would support them.

A law was passed on plebiscite by a small margin that said a president couldn't serve more than 2 terms. (Morales had already served 3 terms, but the first one did not count because it occurred before the term limits amendment was introduced in 2009. So after his second term post-2009 amendment, there was a plebiscite on whether to allow third terms for presidents and vice presidents. It is notable that he lost this plebiscite because if you're going to assert Bolivian elections under Morales were totally corrupt, why would he lose it?)

Bolivia's Supreme Court--supposedly "packed" even though the justices are elected in Bolivia--basically ruled that that law was unconstitutional because it says there shall be NO restrictions on the electoral process.

Elections get held, Bolivia has a pre-count (basically an exit poll) and an official count. It also has a system where if someone gets 51% or leads by at least 10% they win. If nobody gets either then it goes to a 2nd round of voting.

Pre-count comes in and Morales is winning by ~8%, which means there would be a 2nd round of voting. But only ~85% of the vote had come in.

Official count comes in and he is leading by 10.1%. Opposition and OAS lose their shit, claiming that's impossible to get that big of a jump (and ignoring the fact the last ~15% of the vote came from rural areas, where Morales has the most support because they're indigenous).

Evo Morales says "Fine we can have a 2nd round of voting."

Opposition says "Yeah we will, but you can't run in the 2nd round of voting!"

Evo refuses, military and police officials stage a coup. Evo's house is looted, his family members and his political allies houses are burned, another political ally gets dragged through the street, covered in red paint, gets her hair forcefully cut off, and is forced to march with the coup people.

Evo flees the country to try and prevent further violence.

Coup leaders claim the country will "return to Christ" and that the indigenous gods won't rule over Bolivia ever again.

Some random lady in a near-empty congressional house declares herself president without a quorum present, meaning she is not lawfully president. She had previously posted on Twitter: ~~"I dream of a Bolivia free of satanic indigenous rites. The city is not for the Indian: they should go to the highlands or the Chaco." Which was then deleted once the coup occurred.~~ There is [some contention](https://www.truthorfiction.com /jeanine-anez-bolivia-libre-de-ritos-satanicos-indigenas/) about whether this Tweet was posted, here are some other ones there is no contention about:

"A tweet purportedly dated June 13 2013 insulted the Aymara New Year, a celebration held every June by the Aymara indigenous peoples; in 2009 Morales declared the occasion a national holiday." Satanists, nobody replaces God, she wrote. A more recent tweet (posted on October 5 2019) shows a drawing of Morales hanging on to a chair, underneath the phrase last days. The poor Indian clinging to power, she wrote.

Workers give the military coup an ultimatum to reinstate Evo as president.

They refuse, so now those workers are calling for a general strike.

And now during a large Morales supporter protest, the military has opened fire on their own citizens.

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Blue_Dream87 posted...

This Reddit post sums it up p well:

Answer: Before all this, Evo Morales said he had proof there was going to be an attempt to delegitimize the next election and a coup attempt. That audio (in Spanish) has been released and it's the coup leaders flat out saying as such--they said they're going to claim the elections illegitimate and use the military to kick Morales out. They also implicate U.S. Senator Marco Rubio in the audio, saying they were confident he would support them.

A law was passed on plebiscite by a small margin that said a president couldn't serve more than 2 terms. (Morales had already served 3 terms, but the first one did not count because it occurred before the term limits amendment was introduced in 2009. So after his second term post-2009 amendment, there was a plebiscite on whether to allow third terms for presidents and vice presidents. It is notable that he lost this plebiscite because if you're going to assert Bolivian elections under Morales were totally corrupt, why would he lose it?)

Bolivia's Supreme Court--supposedly "packed" even though the justices are elected in Bolivia--basically ruled that that law was unconstitutional because it says there shall be NO restrictions on the electoral process.

Elections get held, Bolivia has a pre-count (basically an exit poll) and an official count. It also has a system where if someone gets 51% or leads by at least 10% they win. If nobody gets either then it goes to a 2nd round of voting.

Pre-count comes in and Morales is winning by ~8%, which means there would be a 2nd round of voting. But only ~85% of the vote had come in.

Official count comes in and he is leading by 10.1%. Opposition and OAS lose their shit, claiming that's impossible to get that big of a jump (and ignoring the fact the last ~15% of the vote came from rural areas, where Morales has the most support because they're indigenous).

Evo Morales says "Fine we can have a 2nd round of voting."

Opposition says "Yeah we will, but you can't run in the 2nd round of voting!"

Evo refuses, military and police officials stage a coup. Evo's house is looted, his family members and his political allies houses are burned, another political ally gets dragged through the street, covered in red paint, gets her hair forcefully cut off, and is forced to march with the coup people.

Evo flees the country to try and prevent further violence.

Coup leaders claim the country will "return to Christ" and that the indigenous gods won't rule over Bolivia ever again.

Some random lady in a near-empty congressional house declares herself president without a quorum present, meaning she is not lawfully president. She had previously posted on Twitter: ~~"I dream of a Bolivia free of satanic indigenous rites. The city is not for the Indian: they should go to the highlands or the Chaco." Which was then deleted once the coup occurred.~~ There is [some contention](https://www.truthorfiction.com /jeanine-anez-bolivia-libre-de-ritos-satanicos-indigenas/) about whether this Tweet was posted, here are some other ones there is no contention about:

"A tweet purportedly dated June 13 2013 insulted the Aymara New Year, a celebration held every June by the Aymara indigenous peoples; in 2009 Morales declared the occasion a national holiday." Satanists, nobody replaces God, she wrote. A more recent tweet (posted on October 5 2019) shows a drawing of Morales hanging on to a chair, underneath the phrase last days. The poor Indian clinging to power, she wrote.

Workers give the military coup an ultimatum to reinstate Evo as president.

They refuse, so now those workers are calling for a general strike.

And now during a large Morales supporter protest, the military has opened fire on their own citizens.

yep. and this is why I made my initial post. it's pretty fucked up

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

here's a twitter thread that will explain it better than me cause i'm just a gamefaqs.gamespot.com shitposter

https://twitter.com/kevinmcashman/status/1193703918624108544 (click to expand)

Really liked the "Getting the courts you packed with loyalist to declare term limits a human rights violation isn't authoritarian" part. Very unbiased take.

What the fuck are you trying to argue here?
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Orchestrion posted...

What the fuck are you trying to argue here?

What don't you understand?

In Bolivia voters elect judges onto the national courts, but the candidates are chosen by the senate. Because Evo's governing party made sure all candidates were loyal to his party, people protested the judicial elections by leaving most ballots blank.

Years later Morales introduced a constitutional referendum that would abolish term limits and let him run again, but the people voted against it.

So he takes his case to the courts, packed with party loyalist, who decide that term limits are a violation of human rights.

Now western leftist, having learned everything they know from Trump supporters, are claiming the mass protest against Morales is fake news and the CIA are behind this based on uh, well just believe them.

La Santa Blanca really did it
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https://twitter.com/evagolinger/status/1196461114197979137


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when the military shows up and they're wearing balaclavas, then you know whatever is happening is certainly not democratic

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