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karlpilkington4
10/31/19 4:27:28 PM
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This might come as a surprise, but I believe Andrew Yang is the best chance this country has at not just surviving, but THRIVING. Contrary to popular belief, I don't actually support Trump as President much, I just don't like people who makeup lies about him or anyone really.

Yang's stances on universal basic income are excellent. Taxing the rich will never work, we are too smart, because there are legal ways to get around it. It's why Amazon didn't pay anything in federal income last year. A VAT tax makes the most sense because you can't get around it.

I mean the guys campaign slogan is MATH (Make America Think Harder)

Change my mind.
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konokonohamaru
10/31/19 4:29:24 PM
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Where is he gonna get the money to pay for his universal basic income if not taxing the rich?
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brestugo
10/31/19 4:31:40 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td1uPq9K--E" data-time="

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Esrac
10/31/19 4:33:55 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1jUJ-2MsdA" data-time="


This is the only thing that comes to mind when people talk about Yang.
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karlpilkington4
10/31/19 4:35:03 PM
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konokonohamaru posted...
Where is he gonna get the money to pay for his universal basic income if not taxing the rich?


It's called a value added tax. Basically you can tax things like luxury goods, and specific things that super rich companies like Apple and Amazon use on a daily basis to run their business.
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Broseph_Stalin
10/31/19 4:35:16 PM
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andrew yang has based his entire campaign around an "issue" he doesn't even understand

he's lucky Tulsi is running or he'd be the dumbest person in the race
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karlpilkington4
10/31/19 4:37:06 PM
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Andrew Yang explains his version of the Value Added Tax(Vat)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9FQHdEwrrM" data-time="

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karlpilkington4
10/31/19 4:37:44 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
andrew yang has based his entire campaign around an "issue" he doesn't even understand



What issue is that?
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Broseph_Stalin
10/31/19 4:38:33 PM
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automation
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Chad-Henne
10/31/19 4:39:44 PM
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karlpilkington4
10/31/19 4:39:53 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
automation


Can you explain what you believe, he doesnt understand about it?
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konokonohamaru
10/31/19 4:42:15 PM
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Value added tax hurts regular consumers because they get passed onto the price of the products.

Since poor people spend more of their income actually buying stuff as opposed to investing, a VAT will hurt regular people more than the wealthy
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Questionmarktarius
10/31/19 4:43:51 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
konokonohamaru posted...
Where is he gonna get the money to pay for his universal basic income if not taxing the rich?


It's called a value added tax. Basically you can tax things like luxury goods, and specific things that super rich companies like Apple and Amazon use on a daily basis to run their business.

The last time the US tried a VAT, mass uprising happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion
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Machete
10/31/19 4:44:27 PM
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I think actual Karl Pilkington would make a good president but I think he is too "not born in united states" to qualify :(
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Balrog0
10/31/19 4:45:13 PM
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I like Yang he's pretty alright. Kids should also get a UBI though

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Questionmarktarius
10/31/19 4:47:02 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Kids should also get a UBI though

They're pretty much the only people who get one right now.
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Balrog0
10/31/19 4:48:02 PM
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You'd think so but the way the EITC and CTC are structured kind of exclude the poorest people from claiming the full benefits by design so the UBI would be better

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metralo
10/31/19 4:48:06 PM
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imagine voting for a guy because of a meme
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Questionmarktarius
10/31/19 4:49:48 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
You'd think so but the way the EITC and CTC are structured kind of exclude the poorest people from claiming the full benefits by design so the UBI would be better

Yes, I have seen that graph.
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karlpilkington4
10/31/19 4:50:07 PM
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Machete posted...
I think actual Karl Pilkington would make a good president but I think he is too "not born in united states" to qualify :(


lol, wtf does that mean?
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Broseph_Stalin
10/31/19 4:51:20 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
Can you explain what you believe, he doesnt understand about it?

andrew yang believes automation has a negative impact on the economy and cost us jobs.

"robots took r jerbs!" is a very common economic myth but you'd expect a guy who's portraying himself as a policy wonk to be a little more informed than the average person.
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Tmaster148
10/31/19 4:56:29 PM
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It's interesting how Trump supporters are latching onto Yang.
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karlpilkington4
10/31/19 4:57:27 PM
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Bullet_Wing posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Machete posted...
I think actual Karl Pilkington would make a good president but I think he is too "not born in united states" to qualify :(


lol, wtf does that mean?

Did you buy that account or something Funbazooka? How do you not know who Karl Pilikington is if you supposedly named yourself after him? Hint: hes not american


No see, I named myself after a person I like a lot. But I am not him. I do not identify with being from the U.K, which is why I didnt understand the reference. Thanks for clarifying.
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Monolith1676
10/31/19 4:58:18 PM
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He likes math and math is racist, ergo he is racist.

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konokonohamaru
10/31/19 5:02:41 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Can you explain what you believe, he doesnt understand about it?

andrew yang believes automation has a negative impact on the economy and cost us jobs.

"robots took r jerbs!" is a very common economic myth but you'd expect a guy who's portraying himself as a policy wonk to be a little more informed than the average person.


automation is good for the economy but it has the potential to create a much more unequal income distribution.
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Broseph_Stalin
10/31/19 5:08:15 PM
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income inequality is largely meaningless
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Questionmarktarius
10/31/19 5:09:31 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
income inequality is largely meaningless

outcome inequality is a disastrous goal.
http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html
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konokonohamaru
10/31/19 5:10:18 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
income inequality is largely meaningless


you might think so, but the facts are that most people care about income inequality
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ZMythos
10/31/19 5:11:54 PM
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If you don't think automation is going to replace 90% of jobs then you need to do some reading.
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legendarylemur
10/31/19 5:12:00 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
andrew yang believes automation has a negative impact on the economy and cost us jobs.

"robots took r jerbs!" is a very common economic myth but you'd expect a guy who's portraying himself as a policy wonk to be a little more informed than the average person.
That part of him is worrying. The Luddite Fallacy is something used to justify exploitation of workers and workers' unevolving skillset for the longest time. But sometimes politicians do fall on that fallacy in a feeble attempt to appeal to some of the lower class citizens where falling into the fallacy is more naturally logical

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Broseph_Stalin
10/31/19 5:15:41 PM
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ZMythos posted...
If you don't think automation is going to replace 90% of jobs then you need to do some reading.

dudes who couldn't pass a high school economics class are always the ones telling you to read a book lol
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1337toothbrush
10/31/19 5:22:47 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Can you explain what you believe, he doesnt understand about it?

andrew yang believes automation has a negative impact on the economy and cost us jobs.

"robots took r jerbs!" is a very common economic myth but you'd expect a guy who's portraying himself as a policy wonk to be a little more informed than the average person.

No he doesn't, that's your stupid interpretation. He said automation is great for the economy but not necessarily great for jobs. He says metrics like GDP are flawed and don't accurately measure how regular people are doing.

You speak about being informed and yet you can't even get basic facts about your target straight.
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legendarylemur
10/31/19 5:23:43 PM
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Yeah anybody who's studied economics on the most basic level should be able to agree to the logic of automation basically having very low to no downside. They don't replace jobs more than improve the overall standard of living and reduce the bottom of the barrel menial jobs. In real life, there are problems with people being unable to adapt, but in general, there will usually still be plenty of menial work available from industries that don't grow as quickly.

As logical as automation being good is, this fact is not exactly an easy thing to convince people. I swear at least half the people here are on the other side of the Luddite Fallacy. It's because they can see with their eyes that machines replacing certain jobs on a short term, but it's far harder to see what happens on a long term basis.

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Broseph_Stalin
10/31/19 5:27:01 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
he said automation is great for the economy but not necessarily great for jobs.

would love to see your examples of a growing economy with rising unemployment
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Machete
10/31/19 5:27:32 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Machete posted...
I think actual Karl Pilkington would make a good president but I think he is too "not born in united states" to qualify :(


lol, wtf does that mean?

Did you buy that account or something Funbazooka? How do you not know who Karl Pilikington is if you supposedly named yourself after him? Hint: hes not american


No see, I named myself after a person I like a lot. But I am not him. I do not identify with being from the U.K, which is why I didnt understand the reference. Thanks for clarifying.


"Actual Karl Pilkington" is what I refer to him as when talking to you specifically about him, in order to avoid confusion, so because he wasn't born in the US, he can't be president.
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A_A_Battery
10/31/19 5:28:41 PM
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Yes yang money plzkthx

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Machete
10/31/19 5:28:50 PM
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ZMythos posted...
If you don't think automation is going to replace 90% of jobs then you need to do some reading.


It won't replace mine lol
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ZMythos
10/31/19 5:30:08 PM
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Machete posted...
It won't replace mine lol

I don't know what your job is, but AI and neural network improvements will also replace many white collar jobs, too.
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legendarylemur
10/31/19 5:30:59 PM
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Even if one day somehow automation is advanced enough to replace 90% of current jobs, advancing technology generally results in a huge array of other jobs or even the ideal future in which the concept of job is optional, as well as currency. When everything is perfectly ran without bias, it doesn't make sense for things to stay as it is now. If anything, we're currently still living in a pretty bum time

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konokonohamaru
10/31/19 5:32:57 PM
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legendarylemur posted...
Even if one day somehow automation is advanced enough to replace 90% of current jobs, advancing technology generally results in a huge array of other jobs or even the ideal future in which the concept of job is optional, as well as currency. When everything is perfectly ran without bias, it doesn't make sense for things to stay as it is now. If anything, we're currently still living in a pretty bum time


Eh, that's a bit utopian. I don't believe Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek vision will ever be a reality. In fact, I think their social advancement is more unrealistic than their technological advancement
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bover_87
10/31/19 5:34:03 PM
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oh look funbazooka is back and shitposting up a storm

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1337toothbrush
10/31/19 5:34:43 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
he said automation is great for the economy but not necessarily great for jobs.

would love to see your examples of a growing economy with rising unemployment

Ever wonder why a smaller group of people own a larger share of the world's wealth?
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1337toothbrush
10/31/19 5:36:43 PM
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legendarylemur posted...
Yeah anybody who's studied economics on the most basic level should be able to agree to the logic of automation basically having very low to no downside. They don't replace jobs more than improve the overall standard of living and reduce the bottom of the barrel menial jobs. In real life, there are problems with people being unable to adapt, but in general, there will usually still be plenty of menial work available from industries that don't grow as quickly.

As logical as automation being good is, this fact is not exactly an easy thing to convince people. I swear at least half the people here are on the other side of the Luddite Fallacy. It's because they can see with their eyes that machines replacing certain jobs on a short term, but it's far harder to see what happens on a long term basis.

There will always be more jobs for more horses.
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Sega95
10/31/19 5:39:22 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
konokonohamaru posted...
Where is he gonna get the money to pay for his universal basic income if not taxing the rich?


It's called a value added tax. Basically you can tax things like luxury goods, and specific things that super rich companies like Apple and Amazon use on a daily basis to run their business.


And what will you do when Apple and Amazon turn around and say ok your taxing us? We'll cut our workforce to make up for the profits we are losing. We'll also outsource to other countries, and not keep our money in the US to avoid other taxes.

By the way, since you decided to tax us, we are going to charge you extra fees to buy our products. Thanks :)
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Questionmarktarius
10/31/19 5:41:12 PM
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Sega95 posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
konokonohamaru posted...
Where is he gonna get the money to pay for his universal basic income if not taxing the rich?


It's called a value added tax. Basically you can tax things like luxury goods, and specific things that super rich companies like Apple and Amazon use on a daily basis to run their business.


And what will you do when Apple and Amazon turn around and say ok your taxing us? We'll cut our workforce to make up for the profits we are losing. We'll also outsource to other countries, and not keep our money in the US to avoid other taxes.

By the way, since you decided to tax us, we are going to charge you extra fees to buy our products. Thanks :)

tl;dr
Corporations do not pay taxes. Only people do.
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