Current Events > I think I'm for real done with Marvel (and indeed all superhero) films

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I said this after endgame too and admittedly I did subsequently see far from home (mostly cos my gf likes spiderman so it was an easy pick ) but honestly all the recent bullshit from the wider MCU fanbase has really sourred the whole thing for me. Just a huge amount of awful, insecure manchildren attacking people for the most mild mannered critiques ever, people of extremely high standing in the industry too fwiw.

Just not sure I want to support that nor the somehow ever growing hero dominance in the industry either. I've always considered myself as being able to reconcile liking more highbrow stuff alongside the tri annual superhero films but now idk, feel like I'm out.

Thanks for sharing

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im kinda with you on this one

ill probably stop watching marvel and dc films in cinemas, after the infinity saga im done keeping up with the MCU so much

maybe stream it once its out, but otherwise im not too bothered

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Something irks me about how their all conquering media assault now encompasses high budget TV shows too. Gotta say I have very little interest in watching 10 different TV shows about different heroes fighting different bad guys of the week

Parappa09 posted...

im kinda with you on this one

ill probably stop watching marvel and dc films in cinemas, after the infinity saga im done keeping up with the MCU so much

maybe stream it once its out, but otherwise im not too bothered

Yeah p much

I thought endgame ended it on a really good note. Just think it's been soured by recent events unfortunately

K
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What happened?
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emblem boy posted...

What happened?

Scorsese said that MCU movies are theme park rides, not real movies and people said that that's dumb

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YookaLaylee posted...

Thanks for sharing

aki_sora posted...

K

These are such weird responses lol

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YookaLaylee posted...

Scorsese said that MCU movies are theme park rides, not real movies and people said that that's dumb

elitist views like that doesnt help anything and are generally stupid to say. just like when meryl streep went off about mma in her speech

scorsese isnt completely wrong but hes asking for backlash

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I've said it before, Marvel's reign is done. They're going full SJW now and a ton of the audience is gonna fall off. It's DC's time now and the massive success of Joker shows that. On Friday it was back in 1st place which is unheard of 4 weeks out. Weekend estimates should be out very soon and I'm so excited to see if it took 1st for the weekend.

I don't necessarily agree with the scorsese stuff either (my position is always that 'bad' art is still art) but the reaction has been soooooo bad and insecure and just...no

Godnorgosh posted...

La La Land

lmao
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La La Land is a great film tbf

But high-brow?
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who cares what fans think. fans are the worst part of artistry.

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You know, I actually knew I would regret using that term itt. But no, while I would not consider it 'high brow' in the typical sense of the word, it is a great film and I would consider it as having more artistic merit than every Marvel film. In any case, the user who referred to it as such was quoting a person they know irl.

So what does Marvel as a whole have to do with it?

Your entire problem seems to stem from the "fanbase". So what does random other people dictate how you do things.
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Godnorgosh posted...

Parts of the fanbase aren't great, although that's true of pretty much any massively popular thing. I've been told my taste in movies was "weird" by someone who mainly just watches capeshit because I like more high-brow films like Moonlight, La La Land, etc.

lmao la la la is literally low tier oscar bait fym

Scorsese was right. I grew up reading comic books and I dont like most of the MCU movies.

75% of them (especially the main Avenger titled ones) are Transformers movies with comic book guys in them. It is just shit blowing up and like 3-5 different things going on at the same time that I don't really give a fuck about.

They are also too fuckin long. I think they do that on purpose so the manchildren in the theater won't have to listen to crying kids in the theater.

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Malfunction posted...

You know, I actually knew I would regret using that term itt. But no, while I would not consider it 'high brow' in the typical sense of the word, it is a great film and I would consider it as having more artistic merit than every Marvel film. In any case, the user who referred to it as such was quoting a person they know irl.

Yeah, but that's the thing. Being "more high-brow" than a marvel movie is not a high bar to climb. I would also argue that a movie that isn't high brow simply isn't high brow. And that's fundamentally my problem with most criticism of Marvel movies. People will defend a movie one or two rungs above on the ladder, but they're not talking about Matrix 3, a movie that for all its faults attempts to grapple with real philosophical principles. La la land was an Oscar Bait movie, and if you're really serious about movies as art, it's pretty bad too.

It's like fantasy sports lovers calling people who play dungeons and dragons dorks. Yeah, the world might perceive it that way, but there's nothing not dorky about roleplaying sports and statistics.
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Godnorgosh posted...

soulunison2 posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

Parts of the fanbase aren't great, although that's true of pretty much any massively popular thing. I've been told my taste in movies was "weird" by someone who mainly just watches capeshit because I like more high-brow films like Moonlight, La La Land, etc.

lmao la la la is literally low tier oscar bait fym

91% on RT
Average critic score of 8.63/10
Won Best Director, Best Actress, Best Cinematography, Best Original Score, Best Original Song, Best Production Design
Nominated for Best Picture, Best Actor, Best Original Screenplay, Best Film Editing, Best Costume Design, Best Original Song, Best Sound Editing, Best Sound Mixing

ok

Its a literal paint by the numbers movie that plays it safe and doesnt do anything innovative lmao its literally meant to be be mindlessly enjoyed and not challenge that viewer

La La Land is great. Of course if you make any sort of comment about good or bad film, people will charge in to "well actually" you lol

soulunison2 posted...

Its a literal paint by the numbers movie that plays it safe and doesnt do anything innovative lmao its literally meant to be be mindlessly enjoyed and not challenge that viewer

It doesn't really play things safe. If it had a happy ending that would've been playing it safe. Instead Emma Stone's character achieves her dream at the cost of possibly having a happy romance with Ryan Gosling. That whole sequence where they showed the life that the two of them could've had together was so good and sad. It challenges the viewer to wonder about what they'd be willing to give up to achieve their own dreams. It doesn't matter that its oscar bait. It a cool movie with a great soundtrack and good acting

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YookaLaylee posted...

soulunison2 posted...

Its a literal paint by the numbers movie that plays it safe and doesnt do anything innovative lmao its literally meant to be be mindlessly enjoyed and not challenge that viewer

It doesn't really play things safe. If it had a happy ending that would've been playing it safe. Instead Emma Stone's character achieves her dream at the cost of possibly having a happy romance with Ryan Gosling. That whole sequence where they showed the life that the two of them could've had together was so good and sad. It challenges the viewer to wonder about what they'd be willing to give up to achieve their own dreams. It doesn't matter that its oscar bait. It a cool movie with a great soundtrack and good acting

Thats literally by the numbers bro - it doesnt innovate it doesnt change anything, it does have a great soundtrack etc but that doesnt mean its safe from being judged as oscar bait because thats exactly what its supposed to do - appeal to a wide audience - its low bro in every aspect.

Edit - note I never said the movie was bad, its just literally exactly achieving the same end game marvel movies do, appeal to a wide audience

Personally, I don't take issue with people who think this. The MCU can be said to have definitively ended with Far From Home, so it's a perfectly fine jumping off point.

I'm sticking with it because... well... I just like the movies, and want to continue liking them. :)

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soulunison2 posted...

Thats literally by the numbers bro - it doesnt innovate it doesnt change anything, it does have a great soundtrack etc but that doesnt mean its safe from being judged as oscar bait because thats exactly what its supposed to do - appeal to a wide audience - its low bro in every aspect.

Edit - note I never said the movie was bad, its just literally exactly achieving the same end game marvel movies do, appeal to a wide audience

Saying that its paint by numbers implies that you think its not great. And I'm not the guying calling La La Land high brow. I just think its a good movie

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It's for children.
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YookaLaylee posted...

soulunison2 posted...

Thats literally by the numbers bro - it doesnt innovate it doesnt change anything, it does have a great soundtrack etc but that doesnt mean its safe from being judged as oscar bait because thats exactly what its supposed to do - appeal to a wide audience - its low bro in every aspect.

Edit - note I never said the movie was bad, its just literally exactly achieving the same end game marvel movies do, appeal to a wide audience

Saying that its paint by numbers implies that you think its not great. And I'm not the guying calling La La Land high brow. I just think its a good movie

What? Paint by the numbers means it follows a formula, Im critiquing the narrative structure of the movie, not the ebb and flow. Calling something cookie cutter is the term youre looking for

okay

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Godnorgosh posted...

Parts of the fanbase aren't great, although that's true of pretty much any massively popular thing. I've been told my taste in movies was "weird" by someone who mainly just watches capeshit because I like more high-brow films like Moonlight, La La Land, etc.

God could you possibly be any more of a menlightened teenager
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So you watched the super hyped cliffhanger ending to Far From Home and you don't care to see what happens next? just cause you let other people effect your mood of the movies?

I've seen 5 marvel movies, no interest in seeing more. in fact there was a six year gap between me seeing my 3rd and my 4th and 5th.

Also "high brow" "low brow" is nonsense

Films are more or less interesting


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They're pretty generic movies tbh. None of their plots ever really feel like new experiences
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Godnorgosh posted...

I just learned that the term "highbrow" is actually rooted in phrenology, so that's kind of icky

I do think films can be more or less sophisticated, though

Oh for sure but lala land isnt one of them

ThyCorndog posted...

They're pretty generic movies tbh. None of their plots ever really feel like new experiences

This tbh

The only exception is Black Panther.

Seeing a world like that expressed in film for the first time was an experience.
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The point is that La la land is an extremely accessible well made movie that doesn't ask any particularly new or interesting questions. The fact that it didn't have a happy ending is cool, almost as cool as a movie where a team of black basketball players get to the championship game and then they lose.

My point is not that La la land is a bad movie, it's an objectively great movie. It's the misplaced pretentiousness of people turning their noses up at superhero movies while holding up La la land as a "sophisticated" movie. Marvel movies might be more shallow, but it's like comparing a 3 foot pool to a 5 foot one.
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Oh, it's about the comments a couple filmmakers made about the Marvel movies because they were asked about it.

And letting a fanbase ruin your enjoyment of a franchise. Well that's...
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Lol I really regret absent mindedly saying high brow

Flockaveli posted...

It's for children.

Not true. Take a 7 year old to a 3 hour Avengers movie lol. If that kid can get through that movie without annoying the fuck out you then kudos you have the best behaved child in the world. Or you drugged him/her to be like a zombie.

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technically star wars is also for children but that doesn't put off people from engaging in the universe

and i bet a lot of men children would consider it high brow

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