Current Events > The Alt-Right Playbook: How to Radicalize a Normie

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41 minutes long
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TroutPaste posted...

41 minutes long
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NOPE

Are there any actual statistics on this alt-right/neo-nazi/supremacist conversion shit? Because I feel like this is all probably a fearmongering nothingburger that has probably affected hundreds of people at most. With the way they've been churning this shit, you'd think we have ten million neo-nazis ready to try to overthrow the government.

nemu posted...

Are there any actual statistics on this alt-right/neo-nazi/supremacist conversion shit? Because I feel like this is all probably a fearmongering nothingburger that has probably affected hundreds of people at most. With the way they've been churning this shit, you'd think we have ten million neo-nazis ready to try to overthrow the government.

they already did that in 2016

@savedyouaclick >_>
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Hummer 2 posted...

nemu posted...

Are there any actual statistics on this alt-right/neo-nazi/supremacist conversion shit? Because I feel like this is all probably a fearmongering nothingburger that has probably affected hundreds of people at most. With the way they've been churning this shit, you'd think we have ten million neo-nazis ready to try to overthrow the government.

they already did that in 2016

where tho
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TheMikh posted...

Hummer 2 posted...

nemu posted...

Are there any actual statistics on this alt-right/neo-nazi/supremacist conversion shit? Because I feel like this is all probably a fearmongering nothingburger that has probably affected hundreds of people at most. With the way they've been churning this shit, you'd think we have ten million neo-nazis ready to try to overthrow the government.

they already did that in 2016

where tho

in america
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Gabes always been just, you know, a regular guy. Not very political. He likes video games, sci-fi, comics, Star Wars, and anime. White guy shit. The only offbeat thing about him is you suspect theres like a 20% chance hes a furry. For all intents and purposes, Gabe is a normie.

this guy & i have very different ideas of what constitutes a normal person
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Whats funny is that the media and academia are radicalizing people in the opposite direction.

coh posted...

Whats funny is that the media and academia are radicalizing people in the opposite direction.

Being a good, not bigoted person? That direction?
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coh posted...

Whats funny is that the media and academia are radicalizing people in the opposite direction.

Proof?

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EbonTitanium posted...

coh posted...

Whats funny is that the media and academia are radicalizing people in the opposite direction.

Proof?

How many people still buy the Russian Collusion narrative?
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This a new vid? Good YouTuber for finding out wtf is going on with the Alt-Right. Other vids are much shorter

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Im pretty sure you posted the same video before.
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I love that series of videos.

it's interesting, but thoroughly unsurprising, how much of what they bring up is present on this board
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Just watched it. Very good video, Innuendo Studios is probably the best breadtuber in terms of rational and easy to follow arguments.

It was p long tho

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nemu posted...

Are there any actual statistics on this alt-right/neo-nazi/supremacist conversion shit? Because I feel like this is all probably a fearmongering nothingburger that has probably affected hundreds of people at most. With the way they've been churning this shit, you'd think we have ten million neo-nazis ready to try to overthrow the government.

The REAL threats are political correctness, BLM and feminists, AM I RITE BROTHER


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Duncanwii posted...

coh posted...

Whats funny is that the media and academia are radicalizing people in the opposite direction.

Being a good, not bigoted person? That direction?

Yeah theyre also saying dont go on mass murdering sprees! Freakin radicals, both sides!
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FrisbeeDude posted...

The REAL threats are political correctness, BLM and feminists, AM I RITE BROTHER

Pointless deflection. Supremacist ideologies spreading is not a good thing, but people need to show actual statistics if they want to claim there is some horribly infectious Gamer/incel/YouTube radicalization process. They are cockroaches, but I dont believe they are similarly numerous.

nemu posted...

Pointless deflection. Supremacist ideologies spreading is not a good thing, but people need to show actual statistics if they want to claim there is some horribly infectious Gamer/incel/YouTube radicalization process. They are cockroaches, but I dont believe they are similarly numerous.

Well they're certainly killing a lot of people

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Romulox28 posted...

Gabes always been just, you know, a regular guy. Not very political. He likes video games, sci-fi, comics, Star Wars, and anime. White guy shit. The only offbeat thing about him is you suspect theres like a 20% chance hes a furry. For all intents and purposes, Gabe is a normie.

this guy & i have very different ideas of what constitutes a normal person

this lol
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nemu posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

The REAL threats are political correctness, BLM and feminists, AM I RITE BROTHER

Pointless deflection. Supremacist ideologies spreading is not a good thing, but people need to show actual statistics if they want to claim there is some horribly infectious Gamer/incel/YouTube radicalization process. They are cockroaches, but I dont believe they are similarly numerous.

how do you plan on showing statistics for something people hide? it's not like "are you a white supremacist" is a census question
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

Just watched it. Very good video, Innuendo Studios is probably the best breadtuber in terms of rational and easy to follow arguments.

It was p long tho

Yes, it was a great video. His whole "alt-right" playbook series is worth watching.

I don't mind long videos too much since I can just listen to them on my commute (30 to 40 minute drive).
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thronedfire2 posted...

nemu posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

The REAL threats are political correctness, BLM and feminists, AM I RITE BROTHER

Pointless deflection. Supremacist ideologies spreading is not a good thing, but people need to show actual statistics if they want to claim there is some horribly infectious Gamer/incel/YouTube radicalization process. They are cockroaches, but I dont believe they are similarly numerous.

how do you plan on showing statistics for something people hide? it's not like "are you a white supremacist" is a census question

Hey man, he just wants to wait for all the facts.
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For those who might actually be serious about the "How do we know the alt right works this way?" question, there are alt-right posts and tweets out there detailing their recruitment methods. Several people who got out of the alt-right rabbit hole also have detailed their descent and escape.
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thronedfire2 posted...

how do you plan on showing statistics for something people hide? it's not like "are you a white supremacist" is a census question

I want to see something that shows any indication this is more then 10 easily influenced morons. Declaring emergencies over the actions of a few helps nothing. We need proportional responses to problems. This is similar to when YouTube decides to send out a tactical nuke every time there is the slightest advertiser issue. Are there issues to fix? Yes. Should literal millions be affected by the actions of a small few? No. Its the same as the OK symbol. Is some minority using it in a negative manner? Yes. Should they be called out in it? Yes. Should we assume every usage of it is nazi signaling? No.

nemu posted...

I want to see something that shows any indication this is more then 10 easily influenced morons

Charlottesville

nemu posted...

Declaring emergencies over the actions of a few helps nothing. We need proportional responses to problems. This is similar to when YouTube decides to send out a tactical nuke every time there is the slightest advertiser issue.

who declared an emergency?

this is a guy making videos about them on youtube. is that a disproportional resposnse?

a significant reason why the ideology is spreading is that they're good at broadcasting

nemu posted...

Should literal millions be affected by the actions of a small few? No. Its the same as the OK symbol. Is some minority using it in a negative manner? Yes. Should they be called out in it? Yes. Should we assume every usage of it is nazi signaling? No.

you're making up that scenario. no one has ever said that every instance of it is nazi signalling. people have said that it is a symbol of white supremacy, which is true
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averagejoel posted...

Charlottesville

who declared an emergency?

this is a guy making videos about them on youtube. is that a disproportional resposnse?

a significant reason why the ideology is spreading is that they're good at broadcasting

you're making up that scenario. no one has ever said that every instance of it is nazi signalling. people have said that it is a symbol of white supremacy, which is true

This is about these supposed radicalized internet dwellers, not the already existent ones. There unfortunately will always be some fringe hate groups. They should not be ignored, but their presence should also not be overly inflated to bring about mass fearmongering.

Ever since the original "oops I accidentally white supremacist" article or video, this has been a pervasive talking point, fueled also by the Gamer and incel fearmongering. That video is just one of many. There are certainly real people falling into this cult, but I refuse to believe it is anything more than the "average easily swayed moron" quota of people without some numbers. These people should be given the help and support needed

The outrage and articles about every time someone uses the symbol disagrees with that. Your emphasis on the word "is" disagrees with that.

FrisbeeDude posted...

nemu posted...

Are there any actual statistics on this alt-right/neo-nazi/supremacist conversion shit? Because I feel like this is all probably a fearmongering nothingburger that has probably affected hundreds of people at most. With the way they've been churning this shit, you'd think we have ten million neo-nazis ready to try to overthrow the government.

The REAL threats are political correctness, BLM and feminists, AM I RITE BROTHER

Why must OP get political?! P.S. Suscribe to pewdiepie </sarcasm>

TroutPaste posted...

41 minutes long
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Step 1: Don't take 41 minutes to explain it.

nemu posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

The REAL threats are political correctness, BLM and feminists, AM I RITE BROTHER

Pointless deflection. Supremacist ideologies spreading is not a good thing, but people need to show actual statistics if they want to claim there is some horribly infectious Gamer/incel/YouTube radicalization process. They are cockroaches, but I dont believe they are similarly numerous.

@nemu please show me statistics that drinking cyanide laced with cocoa and splenda kills more people than drinking no-pulp orange juice. I challenge you. Show me stats.

Questionmarktarius posted...

TroutPaste posted...

41 minutes long
nope

Step 1: Don't take 41 minutes to explain it.

If this were a 42 minute video on "the evils of chain migration" or "how pro-life ideals are being prosecuted" you'd not be saying this shit guys. You're kinda proving the point.

The video talks about the gradual descent into conservative YouTube that may occur, starting on one level that espouses a generally mild belief and continuously going down the chain where the previous belief is naive and stupid but the current belief is the true story, until they're fully accustomed to the movement's worst aspects. The idea being that by desensitising the potential userbase of the alt-right, before making an incremental step forward and desensitising them to that new issue, the alt-right can lead otherwise reasonable people down a shitty path.

The video also makes a point of mentioning the fact that any time, a generally young, malleable recruit might step away from the recruitment process for any number of reasons, like being introduced to a full-crazy concept before the rhetoric has had a chance to wear them down.
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YokoGeri posted...

If this were a 42 minute video on "the evils of chain migration" or "how pro-life ideals are being prosecuted" you'd not be saying this shit guys.

Of course not.
It would be "Don't take 42 minutes to explain it."

MrMallard posted...

The video talks about the gradual descent into conservative YouTube that may occur, starting on one level that espouses a generally mild belief and continuously going down the chain where the previous belief is naive and stupid but the current belief is the true story, until they're fully accustomed to the movement's worst aspects. The idea being that by desensitising the potential userbase of the alt-right, before making an incremental step forward and desensitising them to that new issue, the alt-right can lead otherwise reasonable people down a shitty path.

The video also makes a point of mentioning the fact that any time, a generally young, malleable recruit might step away from the recruitment process for any number of reasons, like being introduced to a full-crazy concept before the rhetoric has had a chance to wear them down.

Yeah, it's crazy.

I recall when I heard 45's first campaign speech. He goes like "unfair trade", I think to myself "true!!". He goes like "we need to better compete with China", I think to myself "true!!". Then he goes like "mexicans are rapists", that's the moment I knew he was a nutjob.

Like the video said, they take legitimate issues (such as globalization, outsourcing, etc) and then they offer an evil version of the solution (e.g. blame the jewish, become racist, etc).

Questionmarktarius posted...

YokoGeri posted...

If this were a 42 minute video on "the evils of chain migration" or "how pro-life ideals are being prosecuted" you'd not be saying this shit guys.

Of course not.
It would be "Don't take 42 minutes to explain it."

Sure ;)

YokoGeri posted...

@nemu please show me statistics that drinking cyanide laced with cocoa and splenda kills more people than drinking no-pulp orange juice. I challenge you. Show me stats.

Whatever smart point you think you were making, you failed.

There's an incredibly interesting point of the video that discusses the general process of white supremacist groups, where they grow their ranks and strike out with an act of violence that is intended to embolden the remaining members of the community - but the ideology is so tainted by this action in the public eye that the group is destined to infight and break up rather than galvanise and mobilise. The difference between white supremacist groups of old and the alt-right being that older groups had to oragnise, and at the end of the day members of these organisations were somewhat accountable for the actions committed.

The video brings up the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. By all means, the counter-protester losing her life and the controversy over the marchers chanting "blood and sand"and anti-semetic slogans should have been one of those defining moments that condemned the alt-right to the same empty future that any "legitimate" conservative reactionary movement achieves. But because the relative anonymity of the internet allowed the alt-right to cut ties with controversial figures and put stock in up-and-coming talent to court similar attention, essentially changing their image, the group has been able to de-escalate and bide their time.

Their "power level" was revealed too early, and because the alt-right has no defining figurehead, the movement as a whole could survive an event that would otherwise destabilise or delegitimise a full-on hate group.
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nemu posted...

YokoGeri posted...

@nemu please show me statistics that drinking cyanide laced with cocoa and splenda kills more people than drinking no-pulp orange juice. I challenge you. Show me stats.

Whatever smart point you think you were making, you failed.

You can't show me the stats? That means that it doesn't kill more than the orange juice, bro. You need to prove even the most basic, common sense and oddly specific thing with stats. I'll wait.

MrMallard posted...

Their "power level" was revealed too early, and because the alt-right has no defining figurehead, the movement as a whole could survive an event that would otherwise destabilise or delegitimise a full-on hate group.

The thing that makes me afraid is that they get to try things over and over until they get it right.

YokoGeri posted...

You can't show me the stats? That means that it doesn't kill more than the orange juice, bro. You need to prove even the most basic, common sense and oddly specific thing with stats. I'll wait.

Yeah, you're still failing. You do realize it's possible to speak like adults, right?

Just saw this yesterday. Great video. He mentions this video that you guys should also watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnmRYRRDbuw" data-time="

Also please stop letting people control the flow of conversation like Nemu is doing. There was a whole point made about that earlier in the series. We're not talking about the scope of the problem here
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nemu posted...

YokoGeri posted...

You can't show me the stats? That means that it doesn't kill more than the orange juice, bro. You need to prove even the most basic, common sense and oddly specific thing with stats. I'll wait.

Yeah, you're still failing. You do realize it's possible to speak like adults, right?

the point is easy:

You are asking for oddly specifics stats for something that is common sense. Not providing those doesn't disprove the point

Ive seen alt righters pick fights with libertarians with the intention of recruiting them. It goes as follows:

-Your radical individualism is naive
-The non aggression principle is naive
-We have to reject free market capitalism to save white people
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YokoGeri posted...

the point is easy:

You are asking for oddly specifics stats for something that is common sense. Not providing those doesn't disprove the point

Asking for how many people are being swayed into a cult-like mentality is "oddly specific"? Talking about the reasons behind radicalization in general and specific cases of radicalization are good. What's not good is embellishing the rate of radicalization or acting like a specific method of radicalization is more enticing than reality.

I was fine one day then I heard someone say words and now Im alt right

dang

i wish I were as strong as those who dont turn alt right after hearing words

MarqueeSeries posted...

Just saw this yesterday. Great video. He mentions this video that you guys should also watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnmRYRRDbuw" data-time="

Also please stop letting people control the flow of conversation like Nemu is doing. There was a whole point made about that earlier in the series. We're not talking about the scope of the problem here

Shit. I saw that video, cautioned people about that tactic and still feel for it. Thanks for the reminder.

Also, I was sobering to see that the whole "Heyer had a heart attack LOL" thing was a tactic too. I saw several people post it here, which I find disturbing.