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Antifar 11/26/18 12:13:03 PM #1: |
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/26/al-franken-kirsten-gillibrand-2020-1014697
Just a month after Al Franken formally resigned from the Senate amid sexual misconduct allegations, the former senator met with an intimate group of Bay Area supporters at the home of major Democratic Party financiers Mary and Steve Swig. Gillibrand is whatever, but these people can fuck right off --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 11/26/18 12:17:02 PM #2: |
i cant imagine how these donors can't see that party objectives trump the individual
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babyeatermax 11/26/18 12:17:09 PM #3: |
Nobody forced Franklin to quit. What the fuck are they mad about?
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ElatedVenusaur 11/26/18 12:17:41 PM #4: |
Sen. Gillibrand earned my respect by calling Franken out publicly. Was glad to learn she has some principles.
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Doom_Art 11/26/18 12:22:47 PM #5: |
Gillibrand is absolutely an opportunist who tossed Frankin under the bus for her own gain, but these people suck
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Balrog0 11/26/18 12:29:32 PM #6: |
ElatedVenusaur posted...
Sen. Gillibrand earned my respect by calling Franken out publicly. Was glad to learn she has some principles. she doesn't; it was clearly a calculated gambit in preparation for her 2020 bid, and I'm glad it burned her --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 11/26/18 12:32:24 PM #7: |
Regardless of the reason she did it, it was the right thing to do and it had to be done, considering the Roy Moore situation at the time. It's possible that Moore would have had the cover he needed through whataboutism to win if Franken had tried to stay.
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Were_Wyrm 11/26/18 12:33:06 PM #8: |
"It's ok if our team does it"
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Antifar 11/26/18 12:34:55 PM #9: |
Balrog0 posted...
I'm glad it burned her Why? --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 11/26/18 12:36:23 PM #10: |
Antifar posted...
Balrog0 posted...I'm glad it burned her because rewarding naked political opportunism is bad, even if it's for an outcome that you support --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 11/26/18 12:37:11 PM #11: |
especially because so many people are being duped into thinking it means something about her principles, i.e., the ploy worked
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Monolith1676 11/26/18 12:38:05 PM #12: |
#believeallwomen #metoo
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Antifar 11/26/18 12:42:28 PM #14: |
Remember, Gillibrand has talked about sexual harrassment and assault basically since her Senate career began. Her whole deal was addressing the issue in the military, years before the Franken controversy.
https://www.newsday.com/news/nation/kirsten-gillibrand-military-sexual-assault-bill-fails-in-senate-1.11915647 https://thehill.com/policy/defense/240943-gillibrand-releases-report-of-alarming-rates-of-military-sexual-assault https://thehill.com/policy/defense/349672-dem-senator-military-sexual-assault-as-pervasive-as-ever Is there anybody who could have publicly called Franken out without the accusations of opportunism, and if not, then wouldn't that pose an obstacle to his being called out? It's cowardice from Franken's colleagues who refused to this. It was political opportunism from those who viewed it through solely the lens of a potential senate loss (a calculation that has been shown now to have been hugely misguided, though it was never particularly clear to begin with). --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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andel 11/26/18 12:42:28 PM #15: |
Balrog0 posted...
Antifar posted...Balrog0 posted...I'm glad it burned her this tbh. the general perception is that this originated as a republican hatchet job and these allegations didnt appear to have any merit. there should absolutely have been an investigation but franken shouldnt have been forced out like he was with only weak allegations to go on and gillibrand obviously used this as a political weapon and attempted (and did) to destroy the career of someone who was likely innocent. hopefully this makes certain that she doesnt have any shot of winning the nomination in 2020 --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 11/26/18 12:43:28 PM #16: |
Antifar posted...
Remember, Gillibrand has talked about sexual harrassment and assault basically since her Senate career began. Her whole deal was addressing the issue in the military. yeah I remember her stance on Bill Clinton well, too Antifar posted... It's not opportunism that she spoke out against him; it's cowardice from his colleagues who refused to. It was political opportunism from those who viewed it through solely the lens of a potential senate loss (a calculation that has been shown now to have been hugely misguided). she literally did it because she guessed that people like you would be more likely to support her if she did it and that this would be worth the loss of support from the moneyed donor class --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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andel 11/26/18 12:43:33 PM #17: |
Godnorgosh posted...
If your politics have you reproaching Kavanaugh but lamenting Franken's resignation, you should probably reconsider your politics. no, the evidence against kavanaugh remains extremely credible and damning. --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis ... Copied to Clipboard!
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theAteam 11/26/18 12:44:45 PM #18: |
Was Franken accused of something? I thought it was just for that picture of him hoverhanding some woman on a plane?
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CruelBuffalo 11/26/18 12:45:22 PM #19: |
theAteam posted...
Was Franken accused of something? I thought it was just for that picture of him hoverhanding some woman on a plane? Yeah I cant keep track anymore. I rememebe there being something about a forced kiss tho ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 11/26/18 12:45:49 PM #20: |
if it's not about opportunism, then where are her denunciations of Keith Ellison? Same state, much more credible allegations. Of course, he's not a Senator so it doesn't matter to her -- which is why she never responded to requests for comment on the matter, and that should tell you everything you need to know about her principles and how much of this is driven by politics.
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Paragon21XX 11/26/18 12:47:14 PM #21: |
andel posted...
Godnorgosh posted...If your politics have you reproaching Kavanaugh but lamenting Franken's resignation, you should probably reconsider your politics. There is no evidence, only accusations that have yet to be rebutted because again, there is no evidence to support either side. --- Hmm... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Monolith1676 11/26/18 12:48:42 PM #22: |
Paragon21XX posted...
andel posted...Godnorgosh posted...If your politics have you reproaching Kavanaugh but lamenting Franken's resignation, you should probably reconsider your politics. To people like that the lack of evidence is more than enough evidence. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend ... Copied to Clipboard!
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P4wn4g3 11/26/18 12:48:54 PM #24: |
this is certainly something I haven't bothered to keep up with
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andel 11/26/18 12:50:32 PM #26: |
Godnorgosh posted...
andel posted...Godnorgosh posted...If your politics have you reproaching Kavanaugh but lamenting Franken's resignation, you should probably reconsider your politics. not really at all comparable. kavanaugh allegations are well documented and substantiated through a therapist notes and even a polygraph, not at all the same scenario as franken --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anteaterking 11/26/18 12:52:12 PM #27: |
Godnorgosh posted...
If your politics have you reproaching Kavanaugh but lamenting Franken's resignation, you should probably reconsider your politics. I think you're making a false equivalency here. You can think both of their conduct are worthy of resignation/not being approved/etc., but there are plenty of non-political worldviews that draw a line which would include one but not the other. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Damn_Underscore 11/26/18 12:53:54 PM #28: |
What was the story with Franken? Was there evidence against him or not?
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HiddenLurker 11/26/18 12:57:50 PM #29: |
andel posted...
Godnorgosh posted...andel posted...Godnorgosh posted...If your politics have you reproaching Kavanaugh but lamenting Franken's resignation, you should probably reconsider your politics. You do know that under oath she admitted to coaching someone to beating a polygraph test right? And therapist notes are only proof that you spoke to a therapist. They are not Private Investiigators for goodness sake. Otherwise everyone who told a therapist they are Batman really are Batman. --- [Insert tired meme here] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Monolith1676 11/26/18 12:58:52 PM #30: |
andel posted...
Godnorgosh posted...andel posted...Godnorgosh posted...If your politics have you reproaching Kavanaugh but lamenting Franken's resignation, you should probably reconsider your politics. Polygraphs are not admissable as evidence 99% of the time and therapist notes mean nothing as well. When it comes to rape there needs to be physical evidence or it bogs down into he said/she said. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend ... Copied to Clipboard!
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butthole666 11/26/18 1:03:34 PM #31: |
The parties both need to be done away with. Garbage through and through.
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P4wn4g3 11/26/18 1:03:40 PM #32: |
Monolith1676 posted...
therapist notes mean nothing as well. proof? --- 7D ChessMaster of Dark Aether https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alpha218 11/26/18 1:04:41 PM #33: |
Balrog0 posted...
if it's not about opportunism, then where are her denunciations of Keith Ellison? Same state, much more credible allegations. Of course, he's not a Senator so it doesn't matter to her -- which is why she never responded to requests for comment on the matter, and that should tell you everything you need to know about her principles and how much of this is driven by politics. Hes not a senator and Ellison absolutely shouldve exited the race before he won the primary. The difference is Ellison was in a contested race, and MN had a Democratic governor so Frankens replacement would be a Dem. Thats why it was much easier to push on Franken. I say this as someone who was very upset when the accusations came out because Franken was someone I could agree on a lot of things with and he was making a name for himself in the Senate pushing back on all of the things Trump was getting away with --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1349-mario Now Playing: Magic the Gathering: Arena ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 11/26/18 1:06:53 PM #34: |
Alpha218 posted...
Hes not a senator and Ellison absolutely shouldve exited the race before he won the primary. The difference is Ellison was in a contested race, and MN had a Democratic governor so Frankens replacement would be a Dem. Thats why it was much easier to push on Franken. yes, those are very good explanations of some of the political considerations that went into what she did differently in the two situations --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paragon21XX 11/26/18 1:11:26 PM #35: |
andel posted...
Godnorgosh posted...andel posted... The polygraph test was conducted improperly if you actually looked into the specifics of it. There was no interrogation format used; the proctor basically had her write her account on a piece of paper and was then asked two questions ("Is any part of your statement false?" and "Did you make up any part of your statement?"). There were no control questions to set a baseline nor was she asked anything specific about her testimony. --- Hmm... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Monolith1676 11/26/18 1:14:33 PM #36: |
P4wn4g3 posted...
Monolith1676 posted...therapist notes mean nothing as well. You can say anything to a therapist. Them writing down what you say is just documentation and not proof of anything. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend ... Copied to Clipboard!
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P4wn4g3 11/26/18 2:23:52 PM #38: |
Monolith1676 posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...Monolith1676 posted...therapist notes mean nothing as well. Proof? --- 7D ChessMaster of Dark Aether https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 11/26/18 2:29:22 PM #39: |
P4wn4g3 posted...
Monolith1676 posted...P4wn4g3 posted...Monolith1676 posted...therapist notes mean nothing as well. When I was a kid I once told a therapist I saw a ghost by the Christmas tree. But I was just fucking with them. Therapist wrote it down though ... Copied to Clipboard!
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King_Hellebuyck 11/26/18 2:37:59 PM #40: |
I agree with Franken being ousted but I agree with Balrog even more. Gillibrand aint shit, wealthy donors who want to support creepy fucks also aint shit, and they can all fuck off together.
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PiOverlord 11/26/18 2:41:12 PM #41: |
You all think everyone sucks.
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P4wn4g3 11/26/18 2:48:20 PM #42: |
Zikten posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...Monolith1676 posted...P4wn4g3 posted...Monolith1676 posted...therapist notes mean nothing as well. Proof? --- 7D ChessMaster of Dark Aether https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 11/26/18 2:48:42 PM #43: |
PiOverlord posted...
You all think everyone sucks. well yeah but supporting someone doesn't hinge on whether or not they're garbage people; in fact, you should support Gillibrand if you think what should did sets a precedent on abuse and culpability. Whether she did it for purely personal reasons is kind of immaterial the issue I have is thinking this was a demonstration of principles on her part, which I think is a bad take and is pretty clearly falling for the exact political gamble she was making in doing that. if you understand the political expediency behind the action and still want to support her, that's fine. I don't think what she did was meaningful with respect to setting up better institutional norms for Congress but if you do then that's fine and a good reason to support her decision even though I disagree about that --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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