Current Events > Nintendo is a company all about gameplay first, yet they push motion controls

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They know it's inferior....so why?
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Nintendo is a company about remaking the same games again and again
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People will defend them no matter what, so they don't need a reason for their stupidity.
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Motion controls aren't inferior. They can be executed well or executed poorly. They can be used appropriately or shoehorned. Adding them to Splatoon enhanced the game tremendously for example and it's a better control method than the stick. Ditto for Breath of the Wild. They're also great in Super Mario Party

Obviously you're talking about Let's Go, which is made by Game Freak, not Nintendo
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Squall28 posted...

Nintendo is a company about remaking the same games again and again

All consoles have this. You have 6 Halos, 5 Gears of War, Naughty Dog presents "The Same Game You Played 4 Years Ago", Victorian Dark Souls, Japanese Dark Souls, etc.
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Did I just get transported to 2008 or are they doing it with the Switch?

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Did I just get transported to 2008 or are they doing it with the Switch?

It sort of exists still. Breath of the Wild had puzzles that required the gyro controls (They were also the puzzles that were the most annoying) but that's the only time I ever needed to use them. For the most part they're optional. Some games though like Arms probably requires them completely

Smashingpmkns posted...

Squall28 posted...

Nintendo is a company about remaking the same games again and again

All consoles have this. You have 6 Halos, 5 Gears of War, Naughty Dog presents "The Same Game You Played 4 Years Ago", Victorian Dark Souls, Japanese Dark Souls, etc.

This is shitty bait.
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StarReaper13 posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Squall28 posted...

Nintendo is a company about remaking the same games again and again

All consoles have this. You have 6 Halos, 5 Gears of War, Naughty Dog presents "The Same Game You Played 4 Years Ago", Victorian Dark Souls, Japanese Dark Souls, etc.

This is shitty bait.

But hes not wrong
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StarReaper13 posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Squall28 posted...

Nintendo is a company about remaking the same games again and again

All consoles have this. You have 6 Halos, 5 Gears of War, Naughty Dog presents "The Same Game You Played 4 Years Ago", Victorian Dark Souls, Japanese Dark Souls, etc.

This is shitty bait.

If we're gonna say Nintendo releases the same games yet they've been releasing completely refreshing sequels to their old games, especially this gen, then I think it's fair to say that the other companies are doing the same if not worse at this point.
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StarReaper13 posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Squall28 posted...

Nintendo is a company about remaking the same games again and again

All consoles have this. You have 6 Halos, 5 Gears of War, Naughty Dog presents "The Same Game You Played 4 Years Ago", Victorian Dark Souls, Japanese Dark Souls, etc.

This is shitty bait.

Oh you know it's true
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StarReaper13 posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Squall28 posted...

Nintendo is a company about remaking the same games again and again

All consoles have this. You have 6 Halos, 5 Gears of War, Naughty Dog presents "The Same Game You Played 4 Years Ago", Victorian Dark Souls, Japanese Dark Souls, etc.

This is shitty bait.

No, he's right.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

StarReaper13 posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Squall28 posted...

Nintendo is a company about remaking the same games again and again

All consoles have this. You have 6 Halos, 5 Gears of War, Naughty Dog presents "The Same Game You Played 4 Years Ago", Victorian Dark Souls, Japanese Dark Souls, etc.

This is shitty bait.

But hes not wrong

Not entirely, but he's not entirely correct. Looking on Bulbapedia, (depending on if you count the '3rd' version of a game as a remake or not due to how they're slightly improved) they seemingly remake their games every other year or so.

Oh yeah, Naughty Dog is incredibly guilty on this, don't get me wrong. (But now rereading his post it's clear he didn't deny that Nintendo does it as well)
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Gyro aiming is superior to sticks.

I don't mine that they're implemented but they really need to be optional in games like Mario and Pokemon.
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StarReaper13 posted...

Not entirely, but he's not entirely correct. Looking on Bulbapedia, (depending on if you count the '3rd' version of a game as a remake or not due to how they're slightly improved) they seemingly remake their games every other year or so.

The last remake was ORAS back in 2014, a remake of a game that came out in 2002. If you want to count Let's Go, FrLg came out in 2003.
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I find the worst part about Nintendo's usage of motion controls is that generally (I'm sure there are exceptions) they are just replacing inputs that have been working fine on standard controllers forever. Skyward Sword was atrocious for this, almost every mechanic in that game had been in previous Zelda titles except now you're forced to do it with motion controls because???

Wouldn't be an issue if they were optional where applicable but it's usually entirely unnecessary yet required.
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CM_Ponch posted...

StarReaper13 posted...

Not entirely, but he's not entirely correct. Looking on Bulbapedia, (depending on if you count the '3rd' version of a game as a remake or not due to how they're slightly improved) they seemingly remake their games every other year or so.

The last remake was ORAS back in 2014, a remake of a game that came out in 2002. If you want to count Let's Go, FrLg came out in 2003.

To compare, the last of us came out in 2013 and it was remastered in 2014
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Axiom posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Did I just get transported to 2008 or are they doing it with the Switch?

It sort of exists still. Breath of the Wild had puzzles that required the gyro controls (They were also the puzzles that were the most annoying) but that's the only time I ever needed to use them. For the most part they're optional. Some games though like Arms probably requires them completely

You're remembering a few things wrong here

BOTW has a couple of shitty gyro puzzles, probably no more than 5 of them in the whole game. But you're ignoring the elegant gyro controls for aiming arrows or throwing weapons, or for targeting things with Stasis or Magnesis, or Cryonis, or using the scope or the camera, or moving and hurling things with magnesis. It's so much easier/faster and more fun using these tools with motion controls than with a stick.

ARMS has both motion controls and button controls, it's up to you which one you want.
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CM_Ponch posted...

USUM had a different story and added a handful of pokemon among other things.

USUM weren't that different and in fact the new story elements are haphazardly added in without having the original story flow well with them.

USUM are third versions in all but name.
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Wetterdew posted...

It's so much easier and more fun using these tools with motion controls than with a stick.

Nah it's not. In fact as far as reflexive shooting and battle it's easier with the pro controller's stick. The only thing it was better for was precise aiming like the ice rune when you have time to set it up

It was fine for the Wii because that was the point of it, but it's getting old hat in more recent games. Locking several motions in Odyssey to motion controls was dumb. Having literally no alternative made no sense. More control schemes for more options is great, but forcing them to be used is just dumb.

Bringit posted...

almost every mechanic in that game had been in previous Zelda titles except now you're forced to do it with motion controls because???

did you even play skyward sword? the majority of its enemies and puzzles were designed around moving your sword in specific ways or slashing at specific angles or anything, the motion controls were a great fit for what the game was

like maybe you don't like motion controls and that's fine since they can be a bit finnicky sometimes but it definitely wasn't a "press B to swing sword -> swing hand to swing sword" sort of change
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Nintendo: gimmicks before gameplay
Sometimes they get lucky, I must admit.
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Axiom posted...

Wetterdew posted...

It's so much easier and more fun using these tools with motion controls than with a stick.

Nah it's not. In fact as far as reflexive shooting and battle it's easier with the pro controller's stick. The only thing it was better for was precise aiming like the ice rune when you have time to set it up

Heavily disagreed. It's way easier and more precise to use gyro controls. You can use the stick in tandem with it if you want, which makes it even better.
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Wetterdew posted...

Axiom posted...

Wetterdew posted...

It's so much easier and more fun using these tools with motion controls than with a stick.

Nah it's not. In fact as far as reflexive shooting and battle it's easier with the pro controller's stick. The only thing it was better for was precise aiming like the ice rune when you have time to set it up

Heavily disagreed. It's way easier and more precise to use gyro controls. You can use the stick in tandem with it if you want, which makes it even better.

I agree Wet. In BotW my preferred method was to use the stick to get the screen oriented close to the target and then use the more precise gyro controls to line up the shot. To be fair, I didnt have an actual Pro Controller to compare against, but I have trouble believing that its analog sticks are that much more precise than the standard JoyCon ones and the gyro controls.
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nemu posted...

Locking several motions in Odyssey to motion controls was dumb. Having literally no alternative made no sense. More control schemes for more options is great, but forcing them to be used is just dumb.

this is true. I know in some cases things are better (such as gyro aiming), but overall I would just like options
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Some 3DS games even expect you to tilt the system

But then the 3D doesn't work

Whyyyyyyyy
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kirbymuncher posted...

did you even play skyward sword? the majority of its enemies and puzzles were designed around moving your sword in specific ways or slashing at specific angles or anything, the motion controls were a great fit for what the game was

like maybe you don't like motion controls and that's fine since they can be a bit finnicky sometimes but it definitely wasn't a "press B to swing sword -> swing hand to swing sword" sort of change

Pretty sure you could change your sword's swing direction in previous 3D Zeldas by holding a direction and hitting B (though obviously not to the extent the motion plus had). Also the sword is just one aspect of the game -- stuff like the swimming and flying was highly unnecessary with motion controls.
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