Current Events > Nintedo wants Smash Bros Ultimate to replace Melee in the tournament scene.

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This seems blatantly obvious as I rewatch the gameplay from earlier.

Omega forms for every battlefield
Ability to kill some assists
Faster and cinematic Smashes
Directional air dodge
Dodge vulnerability
Easier short hopping
Quick smash
Shield parry's

How does this make you feel? I haven't played a smash since Brawl, but I was planning on going back if this one has good online.
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This is going to be the penultimate smash
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Then give us a game worthy of taking up that mantle, and it will be so.
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MrK3V posted...

This is going to be the penultimate smash

So there's only going to be one more Smash Bros?

;_;
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a lot of those mechanics are half-assed

this game is basically smash 4 with some slight changes
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just saw the live stream on FB and the game seems really fast and intense
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Ultimate will absorb almost all Sm4sh players, but Melee players will only take a Melee 2.

That said, Sakurai has been very concerned about it being a "game for the fans." He thought Ridley was too hard but put him in because there was so much demand here, and explicitly stated he has tweaked all of the work they already had established to make the game play faster.
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Delirious_Beard posted...

a lot of those mechanics are half-assed

this game is basically smash 4 with some slight changes

Lmao you can tell who's good at Smash and who has no idea what they're talking about on this board
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Doe posted...

Delirious_Beard posted...

a lot of those mechanics are half-assed

this game is basically smash 4 with some slight changes

Lmao you can tell who's good at Smash and who has no idea what they're talking about on this board

which also tells you who actually plays real fighting games
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the biggest changes are much better dashing and auto-L-cancelling, awesome changes no doubt, but a lot of the core issues from 4 remain, particularly the ledge and the blast zones/living forever

i'm still excited but can't help being a bit let down
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-Gavirulax- posted...

2 and 3 would never be used in tourneys anyway

I agree, but Nintendo will try anyway. They clearly want more of the full game shown in tourneys.
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Melee players suck at every other Smash other than Melee lol. They got fucking wrecked this invitational.

They don't move on from Melee because Melee is better. It's more like they can't because they got spoiled by a bunch of lagless movement mechanics and an extremely small roster. Less match ups to learn, less basics to learn because they can make it up with overpowered move patterns and combos
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I mean, no lag in fighting games is a pretty huge deal.
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Leave ledge trumping alone damnit.
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Highwind07 posted...

Melee seems to be really rigid as a competitive game. I have seen the same roster of top players Like Mango and M2K for more than a decade and the competitive pool seem to be really small with the same characters used since forever. Reminds of Brood War vs Starcraft 2 where the meta changes are so radically different between the two games.

because the same 8 people practiced in the bathroom of a wafflehouse for a decade while the rest of the world moved on
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I_Stay_Noided posted...

Highwind07 posted...

Melee seems to be really rigid as a competitive game. I have seen the same roster of top players Like Mango and M2K for more than a decade and the competitive pool seem to be really small with the same characters used since forever. Reminds of Brood War vs Starcraft 2 where the meta changes are so radically different between the two games.

because the same 8 people practiced in the bathroom of a wafflehouse for a decade while the rest of the world moved on

well you try working there and not wanting to keep your game solid....

https://i.redd.it/mbxwtyeo5n311.jpg
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Highwind07 posted...

Melee seems to be really rigid as a competitive game. I have seen the same roster of top players Like Mango and M2K for more than a decade and the competitive pool seem to be really small with the same characters used since forever. Reminds of Brood War vs Starcraft 2 where the meta changes are so radically different between the two games.

And like in Brood War vs SC2, most of the old guards of Brood War did almost nothing in SC2.

For Melee transition to Sm4sh, there was Mew2king who had like 2-3 good tournaments really early in the scene and can barely make it out of pools after
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Honestly, there's something for everyone.
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smash 4 is all about the neutral game, are we gonna pretend that melee players who specialize in that wouldn't be good at smash 4?

i'm not pretending like smash 4 players can't pick up melee either, zero and larry lurr would be legit if they stuck to it
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Tbh I can't really tell why that happens the way it does. You'd think the logic behind the games are still pretty similar enough that they can adapt. Doesn't seem like in terms of Melee vs Sm4sh players, the reaction times and creativity are that far apart, but every time a Melee player tries to make the transition, they just go back to Melee after barely making a mark.

Interesting point about Innovation and Scarlett, same thing was happening for Zero. He used to be good enough to take sets off of the 6ish players that are considered unbeatable in Melee, but he moved on. I think he can still go toe to toe against Melee players despite being out of practice. Esam wasn't too bad at Melee either I think
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I_Stay_Noided posted...

https://i.redd.it/mbxwtyeo5n311.jpg

wait we can tech grabs now?

I didn't see that shown, that's pretty hype if true. But tbh with spot dodges in the game I'm not sure if that was really necessary, they might have nerfed grapple characters to the abyss
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legendarylemur posted...

He used to be good enough to take sets off of the 6ish players that are considered unbeatable in Melee,

he wasn't, but he was definitely top 20 in the world and with potential to be even greater

he's simply a prodigy when it comes to the neutral
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KlRBEH posted...

I_Stay_Noided posted...

https://i.redd.it/mbxwtyeo5n311.jpg

wait we can tech grabs now?

I didn't see that shown, that's pretty hype if true

I saw it happen a few times at the tourney. Honestly fucking finally tho. Grabs were pretty annoying to deal with in Smash in general.

Pretty funny that guy was against it tho. Like why?
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KlRBEH posted...

I_Stay_Noided posted...

https://i.redd.it/mbxwtyeo5n311.jpg

wait we can tech grabs now?

I didn't see that shown, that's pretty hype if true. But tbh with spot dodges in the game I'm not sure if that was really necessary, they might have nerfed grapple characters to the abyss

Hold on, depends on how it works. If I do a fast fall Fair with Yoshi and am in the middle of the landing recovery, can I still tech a grab? That's when I'm most vulnerable and most people do grabs in as a follow up to blocking an attack.
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As long as it still has the bullshit garbage Rage mechanic, that will never happen.
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