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Giant_Aspirin
05/24/18 4:02:15 PM
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http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-cohen-ukraine-payments-trump-access-2018-5/

as reported by the BBC.
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creativerealms
05/24/18 4:09:30 PM
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Wow what a witch hunt with no evidence.
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KILBOTz
05/24/18 4:11:48 PM
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Like Ukraine has $400k laying around!
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Giant_Aspirin
05/24/18 4:12:50 PM
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remember, Mueller has known this for a while and most likely a whole lot more
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CarlGrimes
05/24/18 4:12:58 PM
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I thought pay for play wasn't a big deal? The left didn't care when their people were doing it.
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Giant_Aspirin
05/24/18 4:13:48 PM
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CarlGrimes posted...
I thought pay for play wasn't a big deal? The left didn't care when their people were doing it.


downplaying is slightly better than outright denial, i guess
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Blue_Inigo
05/24/18 4:14:42 PM
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You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to think this investigation is nothing
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darkjedilink
05/24/18 4:15:57 PM
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What does this have to do with Russia?

Also, this was AFTER the election, fyi.
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Stakataka
05/24/18 4:16:10 PM
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>bbc
fake news, they arent even american and that acronym is cuck city
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Polycosm
05/24/18 4:16:48 PM
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CarlGrimes posted...
I thought pay for play wasn't a big deal? The left didn't care when their people were doing it.

I'm pretty sure Democrats had a big fight about this during their primary.
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CarlGrimes
05/24/18 4:18:10 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
I thought pay for play wasn't a big deal? The left didn't care when their people were doing it.


downplaying is slightly better than outright denial, i guess

Well let's see, one was the Secretary of State and the other is a private citizen.

Which one is the worst?
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Giant_Aspirin
05/24/18 4:18:25 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
What does this have to do with Russia?

Also, this was AFTER the election, fyi.


it doesn't have to do with Russia but it's criminal so it's fair game for the investigation. Mueller's investigation is permitted to go after any and all crimes it finds evidence of, even those not listed in the original directive.

and of course it's after the election -- the payment was made for access to the PotUS
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Giant_Aspirin
05/24/18 4:19:10 PM
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CarlGrimes posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
I thought pay for play wasn't a big deal? The left didn't care when their people were doing it.


downplaying is slightly better than outright denial, i guess

Well let's see, one was the Secretary of State and the other is a private citizen.

Which one is the worst?


just to humor you, SoS is worse and Hilary is a literal criminal who should be locked up.

now that's out of the way, can we get back to the topic at hand?
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CarlGrimes
05/24/18 4:21:47 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
I thought pay for play wasn't a big deal? The left didn't care when their people were doing it.


downplaying is slightly better than outright denial, i guess

Well let's see, one was the Secretary of State and the other is a private citizen.

Which one is the worst?


just to humor you, SoS is worse and Hilary is a literal criminal who should be locked up.

now that's out of the way, can we get back to the topic at hand?

Well put Hillary in jail and then you can go after Trump.
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The Great Muta 22
05/24/18 4:22:22 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
What does this have to do with Russia?

Also, this was AFTER the election, fyi.


Good thing it's the SDNY that is handling the Cohen stuff then, not Mueller. Not that it'd matter, as Mueller's scope specifically says he's allowed to pursue any illegality he finds along the way.

But lmao at your silly spin attempt.
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The Great Muta 22
05/24/18 4:23:11 PM
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CarlGrimes posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
I thought pay for play wasn't a big deal? The left didn't care when their people were doing it.


downplaying is slightly better than outright denial, i guess

Well let's see, one was the Secretary of State and the other is a private citizen.

Which one is the worst?


just to humor you, SoS is worse and Hilary is a literal criminal who should be locked up.

now that's out of the way, can we get back to the topic at hand?

Well put Hillary in jail and then you can go after Trump.


How is a poster here supposed to do that? Why doesn't Trump direct his DOJ to investigate and lock up Hillary? Just so silly.
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Giant_Aspirin
05/24/18 4:24:02 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
I thought pay for play wasn't a big deal? The left didn't care when their people were doing it.


downplaying is slightly better than outright denial, i guess

Well let's see, one was the Secretary of State and the other is a private citizen.

Which one is the worst?


just to humor you, SoS is worse and Hilary is a literal criminal who should be locked up.

now that's out of the way, can we get back to the topic at hand?

Well put Hillary in jail and then you can go after Trump.


How is a poster here supposed to do that? Why doesn't Trump direct his DOJ to investigate and lock up Hillary? Just so silly.


because the DoJ is part of the ((( deep state ))) that controls everything and didn't want Trump to get elected but still somehow let Trump be elected, you see.
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Axiom
05/24/18 4:24:53 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
What does this have to do with Russia?

Also, this was AFTER the election, fyi.


Good thing it's the SDNY that is handling the Cohen stuff then, not Mueller. Not that it'd matter, as Mueller's scope specifically says he's allowed to pursue any illegality he finds along the way.

But lmao at your silly spin attempt.

I like how he says it was after the election like that's not even worse
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John_Galt
05/24/18 4:25:10 PM
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This time?
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HypnoCoosh
05/24/18 4:58:02 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to think this investigation is nothing


I think it's nothing.
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Giant_Aspirin
05/24/18 5:04:22 PM
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...... lol?
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Samurontai
05/24/18 5:32:55 PM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to think this investigation is nothing


I think it's nothing.


Lmfao

Someone needs to meme this
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UnfairRepresent
05/24/18 5:55:59 PM
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We got him this time guys!
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Polycosm
05/24/18 5:59:18 PM
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0AbsoluteZero0
05/25/18 12:30:18 PM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to think this investigation is nothing


I think it's nothing.

Case in point.
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darkjedilink
05/25/18 12:33:28 PM
#32:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
darkjedilink posted...
What does this have to do with Russia?

Also, this was AFTER the election, fyi.


it doesn't have to do with Russia but it's criminal so it's fair game for the investigation. Mueller's investigation is permitted to go after any and all crimes it finds evidence of, even those not listed in the original directive.

and of course it's after the election -- the payment was made for access to the PotUS

How is it criminal? What laws were broken?
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darkjedilink
05/25/18 12:38:05 PM
#33:


Axiom posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
What does this have to do with Russia?

Also, this was AFTER the election, fyi.


Good thing it's the SDNY that is handling the Cohen stuff then, not Mueller. Not that it'd matter, as Mueller's scope specifically says he's allowed to pursue any illegality he finds along the way.

But lmao at your silly spin attempt.

I like how he says it was after the election like that's not even worse

Because it literally gas nothing to do with the election whatsoever.

The people who have a problem with someone who isn't Trump taking money in the hope that he would get Trump to talk to tye Ukraine are the same people that had ZERO problems with Hillary's organizations taking tens of millions of dollars from foreign dignitaries and nations for facetime they got.
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iPhone_7
05/25/18 12:38:36 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Also, this was AFTER the election, fyi.


You know that only makes it worse right? EDIT: Oh you dont see it.

Also I thought this pay to play kind of thing was bad when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was accused of it. But now that its President Trump its fake news/no big deal.
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Ammonitida
05/25/18 12:40:13 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Also, this was AFTER the election, fyi.


You know that only makes it worse right?

Also I thought this pay to play kind of thing was bad when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was accused of it. But now that its President Trump its fake news/no big deal.


Trump is not accused of anything here. Just Cohen trying to make an extra buck by exploiting his relationship with the president.
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Antifar
05/25/18 12:40:29 PM
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It's bad when high ranking officials in the U.S. government take money from foreign governments that are very obviously in exchange for access.
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Unknown5uspect
05/25/18 12:41:10 PM
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Polycosm posted...
yJsinhX

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darkjedilink
05/25/18 12:41:11 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Also, this was AFTER the election, fyi.


You know that only makes it worse right?

Also I thought this pay to play kind of thing was bad when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was accused of it. But now that its President Trump its fake news/no big deal.

It's illegal before the election. It's less bad with this situation because we have yet to be given anything more than 'they paid and asked for facetime.' Show me they got it, and it's a problem.
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iPhone_7
05/25/18 12:44:10 PM
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Ammonitida posted...
Trump is not accused of anything here. Just Cohen trying to make an extra buck by exploiting his relationship with the president.


Likewise it was the Clinton Foundation that was accused and subject of pay to play investigation.
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iPhone_7
05/25/18 12:50:17 PM
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darkjledilink
Show me they got it, and it's a problem.

Investigation continues. I cant wait to see you move the goal post further. With the Trump Tower meeting, with Stormy Daniel. goal posts further and further
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uwnim
05/25/18 12:56:30 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
darkjledilink
Show me they got it, and it's a problem.

Investigation continues. I cant wait to see you move the goal post further. With the Trump Tower meeting, with Stormy Daniel. goal posts further and further

The more somethings turn up the more the have to redefine nothing to make the investigation fit.
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Ammonitida
05/25/18 12:59:22 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
darkjledilink
Show me they got it, and it's a problem.

Investigation continues. I cant wait to see you move the goal post further. With the Trump Tower meeting, with Stormy Daniel. goal posts further and further


The goal post has always been the same -- did Trump strike a deal with Putin in exchange for the Podesta emails, and does Putin have leverage over Trump in the form of a sex tape (yeah, why strike a deal when you already have that leverage?), as alleged in the dossier.

According to Manafort's contemptuous notes of that Trump Tower meeting (for access to Hilary's emails), adoption policies were discussed instead.

So far, no information has come out to corroborate the key allegations of the dossier. In the case of Cohen, we know it's fabricated.
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iPhone_7
05/25/18 1:29:16 PM
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I didnt think any Trumpanzees were still pushing the they were simply talking about adoption policies talking point. Also the lie that the dossier is what started all these investigations.

Youre either deliberately lying or have been living under a rock for the past 8 months.
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Giant_Aspirin
05/25/18 1:43:58 PM
#44:


darkjedilink posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
darkjedilink posted...
What does this have to do with Russia?

Also, this was AFTER the election, fyi.


it doesn't have to do with Russia but it's criminal so it's fair game for the investigation. Mueller's investigation is permitted to go after any and all crimes it finds evidence of, even those not listed in the original directive.

and of course it's after the election -- the payment was made for access to the PotUS

How is it criminal? What laws were broken?


Cohen was not registered as an official foreign agent, for one.

this is all outlined in the article. i feel like most of the questions you ask in topics like these could be resolved if you would just RTFA
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UnholyMudcrab
05/25/18 1:48:03 PM
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Giant_Aspirin
05/25/18 1:50:24 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Show me they got it, and it's a problem.


The BBC said the payment, which Cohen denied, was made ahead of Poroshenko's White House visit last June.

they got it. now i await you admitting this is a problem.

edit: this was taken from the article. so again, RTFA
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Unknown5uspect
05/25/18 2:35:39 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Show me they got it, and it's a problem.


The BBC said the payment, which Cohen denied, was made ahead of Poroshenko's White House visit last June.

they got it. now i await you admitting this is a problem.

edit: this was taken from the article. so again, RTFA

You should ignore him. He does nothing but argue in bad faith and dismisses anything contradictory to his world view.
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Giant_Aspirin
05/25/18 2:37:55 PM
#49:


Unknown5uspect posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Show me they got it, and it's a problem.


The BBC said the payment, which Cohen denied, was made ahead of Poroshenko's White House visit last June.

they got it. now i await you admitting this is a problem.

edit: this was taken from the article. so again, RTFA

You should ignore him. He does nothing but argue in bad faith and dismisses anything contradictory to his world view.


my original motivation was to clear up the bullshit he spouts for the rest of the people reading, because that's how "fake news" actually spreads. but im starting to think that it's actually for the best to let him spout his bullshit uncontested because, like DE, it's so over the top and nonsensical it just makes that side of the argument appear completely ridiculous.
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