Current Events > my gun control idea: banning magazine based firearms

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Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 11:16:23 AM #1:	how would you feel about a ban on all firearms that are loaded/fed through a detachable, external source like a magazine / drum / etc? this would allow for revolvers of all types for pistols. shotguns and rifles would be allowed since they hold extra rounds 'inside the weapon'. ofc if this happened gun manufacturers would do ridiculous stuff like creating revolver that hold 30 rounds, but for the sake of discussion let's ignore that. i think this solution is a nice compromise because it allows gun enthusiasts to still own firearms, fire them for 'sport' and hunting while also allowing for self-defense. but it think it would make it drastically more difficult to carry out 'mass shootings' due to the increased reload time. i fully expect the first response to be "but then the criminals will have magazines and it won't be fair!". i recognize that the transition period will be difficult for this very reason. but for the sake of argument, could we pretend that it would be possible? or is that an unrealistic assumption to make? --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896860769] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>how would you feel about a ban on all firearms that are loaded/fed through a detachable, external source like a magazine / drum / etc? this would allow for revolvers of all types for pistols. shotguns and rifles would be allowed since they hold extra rounds 'inside the weapon'. ofc if this happened gun manufacturers would do ridiculous stuff like creating revolver that hold 30 rounds, but for the sake of discussion let's ignore that. i think this solution is a nice compromise because it allows gun enthusiasts to still own firearms, fire them for 'sport' and hunting while also allowing for self-defense. but it think it would make it drastically more difficult to carry out 'mass shootings' due to the increased reload time. i fully expect the first response to be "but then the criminals will have magazines and it won't be fair!". i recognize that the transition period will be difficult for this very reason. but for the sake of argument, could we pretend that it would be possible? or is that an unrealistic assumption to make?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 02/27/18 11:17:23 AM #2:	Mags are a dying industry anyway --- I don't know my gimmick <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:896860819] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>Mags are a dying industry anyway</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Burgess 02/27/18 11:17:30 AM #3:	Why would that matter. --- Burgess [Z?] ...follow the Mod that failed. "All that typing made me have to crap."~Dark Magic Vixen <cite>Burgess posted [p:896860828] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>Why would that matter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 02/27/18 11:17:40 AM #4:	But then criminals will have magazines and it won't be fair... Anyways bad idea. Hurts my army when revolution breaks out. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:896860838] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>But then criminals will have magazines and it won't be fair... Anyways bad idea. Hurts my army when revolution breaks out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Two_Dee 02/27/18 11:18:04 AM #5:	But then the rap line "extendo clip" would become obselete --- https://i.imgur.com/jkyPFfF.gifv <cite>Two_Dee posted [p:896860858] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>But then the rap line "extendo clip" would become obselete</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/27/18 11:18:30 AM #6:	Giant_Aspirin posted... ofc if this happened gun manufacturers would do ridiculous stuff like creating revolver that hold 30 rounds, but for the sake of discussion let's ignore that. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896860881] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>ofc if this happened gun manufacturers would do ridiculous stuff like creating revolver that hold 30 rounds, but for the sake of discussion let's ignore that. </quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chicken 02/27/18 11:18:34 AM #7:	Gimmie that 30 round revolver. --- https://i.imgur.com/2FgO73L.png <cite>Chicken posted [p:896860884] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>Gimmie that 30 round revolver.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 11:18:37 AM #8:	Burgess posted... Why would that matter. magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort. i would imagine that trying to execute a bunch of people using a bolt action rifle that only holds 4-5 rounds before needing a reload would be more difficult. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896860887] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that matter.</quote> magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort. i would imagine that trying to execute a bunch of people using a bolt action rifle that only holds 4-5 rounds before needing a reload would be more difficult.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 02/27/18 11:19:20 AM #9:	Why don't you just not worry about infringing on your own rights? --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:896860917] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>Why don't you just not worry about infringing on your own rights?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Burgess 02/27/18 11:19:26 AM #10:	Giant_Aspirin posted... Burgess posted... Why would that matter. magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort. What about speed loaders for revolvers. --- Burgess [Z?] ...follow the Mod that failed. "All that typing made me have to crap."~Dark Magic Vixen <cite>Burgess posted [p:896860923] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that matter.</quote> magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort.</quote> What about speed loaders for revolvers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SimpleMan 02/27/18 11:19:38 AM #11:	Pass. I wouldn't be able to have old military rifles under these rules. --- Forget your lust for the rich man's gold All that you need is in your soul <cite>SimpleMan posted [p:896860932] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>Pass. I wouldn't be able to have old military rifles under these rules.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daftpunk_mk5 02/27/18 11:20:33 AM #12:	The correct term is "clipazine". --- Some say that his voice can only be heard by cats, and that he has two sets of knees... all we know is, he's called the Stig. <cite>daftpunk_mk5 posted [p:896860978] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>The correct term is "clipazine".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 02/27/18 11:20:56 AM #13:	I dont understand the point of the topic. You concede that manufacturers will just create weapons without detachable magazines, but you dont want that to be used as an argument. What problem are you trying to solve? --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:896860996] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>I dont understand the point of the topic. You concede that manufacturers will just create weapons without detachable magazines, but you dont want that to be used as an argument. What problem are you trying to solve?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 11:20:56 AM #14:	Burgess posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Burgess posted... Why would that matter. magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort. What about speed loaders for revolvers. i thought about that. i don't actually know how effective or simple to use those are versus loading a magazine into a pistol. that's part of what i wanted to discuss. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896860997] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that matter.</quote> magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort.</quote> What about speed loaders for revolvers.</quote> i thought about that. i don't actually know how effective or simple to use those are versus loading a magazine into a pistol. that's part of what i wanted to discuss.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/27/18 11:21:02 AM #15:	Giant_Aspirin posted... i would imagine that trying to execute a bunch of people using a bolt action rifle that only holds 4-5 rounds before needing a reload would be more difficult. I would imagine that bolt-action rifles somehow holding thirty rounds would suddenly become pretty popular. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896861002] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>i would imagine that trying to execute a bunch of people using a bolt action rifle that only holds 4-5 rounds before needing a reload would be more difficult.</quote> I would imagine that bolt-action rifles somehow holding thirty rounds would suddenly become pretty popular.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Burgess 02/27/18 11:21:51 AM #16:	Giant_Aspirin posted... Burgess posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Burgess posted... Why would that matter. magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort. What about speed loaders for revolvers. i thought about that. i don't actually know how effective or simple to use those are versus loading a magazine into a pistol. that's part of what i wanted to discuss. What do you want to discuss about it. --- Burgess [Z?] ...follow the Mod that failed. "All that typing made me have to crap."~Dark Magic Vixen <cite>Burgess posted [p:896861037] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that matter.</quote> magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort.</quote> What about speed loaders for revolvers.</quote> i thought about that. i don't actually know how effective or simple to use those are versus loading a magazine into a pistol. that's part of what i wanted to discuss.</quote> What do you want to discuss about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 11:21:51 AM #17:	Nomadic View posted... I dont understand the point of the topic. You concede that manufacturers will just create weapons without detachable magazines, but you dont want that to be used as an argument. What problem are you trying to solve? if manufacturers respond in that way we could respond accordingly with legislation, for example. the problem im trying to solve is the seemingly never ending mass shootings that we keep having to endure. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896861038] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>I dont understand the point of the topic. You concede that manufacturers will just create weapons without detachable magazines, but you dont want that to be used as an argument. What problem are you trying to solve?</quote> if manufacturers respond in that way we could respond accordingly with legislation, for example. the problem im trying to solve is the seemingly never ending mass shootings that we keep having to endure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 11:22:41 AM #19:	Burgess posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Burgess posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Burgess posted... Why would that matter. magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort. What about speed loaders for revolvers. i thought about that. i don't actually know how effective or simple to use those are versus loading a magazine into a pistol. that's part of what i wanted to discuss. What do you want to discuss about it. well, the practicality / effectiveness of speed reloaders would be something. would the existence of those make this entire point moot? i don't know. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896861079] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that matter.</quote> magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort.</quote> What about speed loaders for revolvers.</quote> i thought about that. i don't actually know how effective or simple to use those are versus loading a magazine into a pistol. that's part of what i wanted to discuss.</quote> What do you want to discuss about it.</quote> well, the practicality / effectiveness of speed reloaders would be something. would the existence of those make this entire point moot? i don't know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Burgess 02/27/18 11:23:05 AM #20:	Giant_Aspirin posted... Burgess posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Burgess posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Burgess posted... Why would that matter. magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort. What about speed loaders for revolvers. i thought about that. i don't actually know how effective or simple to use those are versus loading a magazine into a pistol. that's part of what i wanted to discuss. What do you want to discuss about it. well, the practicality / effectiveness of speed reloaders would be something. would the existence of those make this entire point moot? i don't know. So you don't know what you're really talking about whatsoever. --- Burgess [Z?] ...follow the Mod that failed. "All that typing made me have to crap."~Dark Magic Vixen <cite>Burgess posted [p:896861107] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that matter.</quote> magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort.</quote> What about speed loaders for revolvers.</quote> i thought about that. i don't actually know how effective or simple to use those are versus loading a magazine into a pistol. that's part of what i wanted to discuss.</quote> What do you want to discuss about it.</quote> well, the practicality / effectiveness of speed reloaders would be something. would the existence of those make this entire point moot? i don't know.</quote> So you don't know what you're really talking about whatsoever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 11:23:55 AM #21:	GregShmedley posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Burgess posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Burgess posted... Why would that matter. magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort. What about speed loaders for revolvers. i thought about that. i don't actually know how effective or simple to use those are versus loading a magazine into a pistol. that's part of what i wanted to discuss. They are extremely effective. How about trying something else that doesn't pointlessly infringe on rights? because im tired folks infringing on others' right to life by misusing firearms. if you're of the opinion that any restriction on guns is wrong and you're the type who thinks the solution to gun violence is to bring more guns into the equation then agree to disagree --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896861157] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that matter.</quote> magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort.</quote> What about speed loaders for revolvers.</quote> i thought about that. i don't actually know how effective or simple to use those are versus loading a magazine into a pistol. that's part of what i wanted to discuss.</quote> They are extremely effective. How about trying something else that doesn't pointlessly infringe on rights?</quote> because im tired folks infringing on others' right to life by misusing firearms. if you're of the opinion that any restriction on guns is wrong and you're the type who thinks the solution to gun violence is to bring more guns into the equation then agree to disagree</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 11:24:14 AM #23:	Burgess posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Burgess posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Burgess posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Burgess posted... Why would that matter. magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort. What about speed loaders for revolvers. i thought about that. i don't actually know how effective or simple to use those are versus loading a magazine into a pistol. that's part of what i wanted to discuss. What do you want to discuss about it. well, the practicality / effectiveness of speed reloaders would be something. would the existence of those make this entire point moot? i don't know. So you don't know what you're really talking about whatsoever. that's why im asking questions about it genius. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896861178] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that matter.</quote> magazines allow for super fast reloading. when you're using an AR-15 that has 15 round mags, you can simply store 10-20 mags in your backpack and you have almost instant access to 150+ rounds with almost no effort.</quote> What about speed loaders for revolvers.</quote> i thought about that. i don't actually know how effective or simple to use those are versus loading a magazine into a pistol. that's part of what i wanted to discuss.</quote> What do you want to discuss about it.</quote> well, the practicality / effectiveness of speed reloaders would be something. would the existence of those make this entire point moot? i don't know.</quote> So you don't know what you're really talking about whatsoever.</quote> that's why im asking questions about it genius.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 11:25:13 AM #24:	Asherlee10 posted... I might be confused about terminology here. As far as I know, a magazine holds bullets. I think people confuse "clip" and "magazine." Or perhaps I'm confused. im not terribly good with gun terms but a magazine is spring-loaded and automatically pushes bullets into a chamber where a clip is 'manually' loaded with your fingers or something. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896861229] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>I might be confused about terminology here. As far as I know, a magazine holds bullets. I think people confuse "clip" and "magazine." Or perhaps I'm confused.</quote> im not terribly good with gun terms but a magazine is spring-loaded and automatically pushes bullets into a chamber where a clip is 'manually' loaded with your fingers or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 02/27/18 11:25:32 AM #25:	Giant_Aspirin posted... Nomadic View posted... I dont understand the point of the topic. You concede that manufacturers will just create weapons without detachable magazines, but you dont want that to be used as an argument. What problem are you trying to solve? if manufacturers respond in that way we could respond accordingly with legislation, for example. the problem im trying to solve is the seemingly never ending mass shootings that we keep having to endure. Detachable magazines banned Non detachable magazines now banned So, youre basically asking for a ban on semiautomatic weapons? --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:896861247] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>I dont understand the point of the topic. You concede that manufacturers will just create weapons without detachable magazines, but you dont want that to be used as an argument. What problem are you trying to solve?</quote> if manufacturers respond in that way we could respond accordingly with legislation, for example. the problem im trying to solve is the seemingly never ending mass shootings that we keep having to endure.</quote> Detachable magazines banned Non detachable magazines now banned So, youre basically asking for a ban on semiautomatic weapons?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Burgess 02/27/18 11:25:54 AM #26:	But you're saying you're for banning mags like it will matter when your solution of only leaving revolvers and other non-mag based guns clearly doesn't matter. And you're not asking questions. --- Burgess [Z?] ...follow the Mod that failed. "All that typing made me have to crap."~Dark Magic Vixen <cite>Burgess posted [p:896861268] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>But you're saying you're for banning mags like it will matter when your solution of only leaving revolvers and other non-mag based guns clearly doesn't matter. And you're not asking questions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 11:26:21 AM #28:	Nomadic View posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Nomadic View posted... I dont understand the point of the topic. You concede that manufacturers will just create weapons without detachable magazines, but you dont want that to be used as an argument. What problem are you trying to solve? if manufacturers respond in that way we could respond accordingly with legislation, for example. the problem im trying to solve is the seemingly never ending mass shootings that we keep having to endure. Detachable magazines banned Non detachable magazines now banned So, youre basically asking for a ban on semiautomatic weapons? are revolvers considered semi-automatic? what about rifles or shotguns? --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896861294] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>I dont understand the point of the topic. You concede that manufacturers will just create weapons without detachable magazines, but you dont want that to be used as an argument. What problem are you trying to solve?</quote> if manufacturers respond in that way we could respond accordingly with legislation, for example. the problem im trying to solve is the seemingly never ending mass shootings that we keep having to endure.</quote> Detachable magazines banned Non detachable magazines now banned So, youre basically asking for a ban on semiautomatic weapons?</quote> are revolvers considered semi-automatic? what about rifles or shotguns?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Burgess 02/27/18 11:26:49 AM #30:	Giant_Aspirin posted... Nomadic View posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Nomadic View posted... I dont understand the point of the topic. You concede that manufacturers will just create weapons without detachable magazines, but you dont want that to be used as an argument. What problem are you trying to solve? if manufacturers respond in that way we could respond accordingly with legislation, for example. the problem im trying to solve is the seemingly never ending mass shootings that we keep having to endure. Detachable magazines banned Non detachable magazines now banned So, youre basically asking for a ban on semiautomatic weapons? are revolvers considered semi-automatic? Some shotguns are. --- Burgess [Z?] ...follow the Mod that failed. "All that typing made me have to crap."~Dark Magic Vixen <cite>Burgess posted [p:896861321] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>I dont understand the point of the topic. You concede that manufacturers will just create weapons without detachable magazines, but you dont want that to be used as an argument. What problem are you trying to solve?</quote> if manufacturers respond in that way we could respond accordingly with legislation, for example. the problem im trying to solve is the seemingly never ending mass shootings that we keep having to endure.</quote> Detachable magazines banned Non detachable magazines now banned So, youre basically asking for a ban on semiautomatic weapons?</quote> are revolvers considered semi-automatic?</quote> Some shotguns are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 11:27:29 AM #31:	Burgess posted... But you're saying you're for banning mags like it will matter when your solution of only leaving revolvers and other non-mag based guns clearly doesn't matter. And you're not asking questions. im presenting an idea with the hopes of starting discussion, you pedant. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896861354] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote>But you're saying you're for banning mags like it will matter when your solution of only leaving revolvers and other non-mag based guns clearly doesn't matter. And you're not asking questions.</quote> im presenting an idea with the hopes of starting discussion, you pedant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 11:28:12 AM #33:	Asherlee10 posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Asherlee10 posted... I might be confused about terminology here. As far as I know, a magazine holds bullets. I think people confuse "clip" and "magazine." Or perhaps I'm confused. im not terribly good with gun terms but a magazine is spring-loaded and automatically pushes bullets into a chamber where a clip is 'manually' loaded with your fingers or something. So you are saying that only revolvers, bolt action rifles, and shotguns would be allowed? that's my proposal, yeah, and i want to hear what pro-gun people think about it. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896861398] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>I might be confused about terminology here. As far as I know, a magazine holds bullets. I think people confuse "clip" and "magazine." Or perhaps I'm confused.</quote> im not terribly good with gun terms but a magazine is spring-loaded and automatically pushes bullets into a chamber where a clip is 'manually' loaded with your fingers or something.</quote> So you are saying that only revolvers, bolt action rifles, and shotguns would be allowed?</quote> that's my proposal, yeah, and i want to hear what pro-gun people think about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Burgess 02/27/18 11:28:26 AM #34:	But you're also showing you don't know shit about which to properly discuss. --- Burgess [Z?] ...follow the Mod that failed. "All that typing made me have to crap."~Dark Magic Vixen <cite>Burgess posted [p:896861413] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>But you're also showing you don't know shit about which to properly discuss.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 02/27/18 11:29:52 AM #35:	And what would you do for all of the ones that are already in circulation? Confiscate them? --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:896861488] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>And what would you do for all of the ones that are already in circulation? Confiscate them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 11:30:08 AM #36:	Burgess posted... But you're also showing you don't know shit about which to properly discuss. while admitting i dont know with the hope of being informed. that's part of why discussions are neat, you can learn stuff. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896861501] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote>But you're also showing you don't know shit about which to properly discuss.</quote> while admitting i dont know with the hope of being informed. that's part of why discussions are neat, you can learn stuff.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 11:30:54 AM #37:	DifferentialEquation posted... And what you do for all of the ones that are already in circulation? Confiscate them? that's another issue that i recognize is a challenge. but right now im more interested in discussing the idea over the implementation. if you want to assert that it's pointless to discuss the idea while ignoring the implementation, that's fair. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896861545] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>And what you do for all of the ones that are already in circulation? Confiscate them?</quote> that's another issue that i recognize is a challenge. but right now im more interested in discussing the idea over the implementation. if you want to assert that it's pointless to discuss the idea while ignoring the implementation, that's fair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Burgess 02/27/18 11:32:36 AM #39:	There's no point in discussing the idea if you don't know how you're going to accomplish the idea. --- Burgess [Z?] ...follow the Mod that failed. "All that typing made me have to crap."~Dark Magic Vixen <cite>Burgess posted [p:896861621] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>There's no point in discussing the idea if you don't know how you're going to accomplish the idea.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 11:35:51 AM #40:	SimpleMan posted... Pass. I wouldn't be able to have old military rifles under these rules. yeah, that would be something to address. i understand people wanting to collect things for historic reasons so im not sure how to handle that. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896861803] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>SimpleMan posted...</cite> <quote>Pass. I wouldn't be able to have old military rifles under these rules.</quote> yeah, that would be something to address. i understand people wanting to collect things for historic reasons so im not sure how to handle that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 11:36:38 AM #41:	Burgess posted... There's no point in discussing the idea if you don't know how you're going to accomplish the idea. i think you can debate the merits of an idea aside from the implementation of the idea. see Ash's response just above yours. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896861851] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Burgess posted...</cite> <quote>There's no point in discussing the idea if you don't know how you're going to accomplish the idea.</quote> i think you can debate the merits of an idea aside from the implementation of the idea. see Ash's response just above yours.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meestermj 02/27/18 11:37:39 AM #42:	A really good system to look at is my current home. Alberta, Canada. We're considered the "deep south" of Canada, and I agree. The procedure for getting a firearm is as follows: 1. Obtain a PAL (possession and acquisition license) - minimum wait period of 28 days, typical wait of 45 days 2. Complete the firearms safety training class (single class, 4+ hours long) 3. Complete an RCMP background check (not always required. Depends on the gun store) - 4 month waiting period for a certified check Estimated cost of $200 CAD. Handguns require an extra course and special license, and all handguns must be registered. All that seems reasonable to me, as well as there are magazine capacity limits in place for handguns. --- Psn: beastlytoast Left-handed fire-slapsies leave me feeling confused about life. - Merydia <cite>meestermj posted [p:896861903] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>A really good system to look at is my current home. Alberta, Canada. We're considered the "deep south" of Canada, and I agree. The procedure for getting a firearm is as follows: 1. Obtain a PAL (possession and acquisition license) - minimum wait period of 28 days, typical wait of 45 days 2. Complete the firearms safety training class (single class, 4+ hours long) 3. Complete an RCMP background check (not always required. Depends on the gun store) - 4 month waiting period for a certified check Estimated cost of $200 CAD. Handguns require an extra course and special license, and all handguns must be registered. All that seems reasonable to me, as well as there are magazine capacity limits in place for handguns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 02/27/18 11:40:00 AM #43:	Would this ban stripper clips as well? Stripper clips can be used to fairly rapidly reload internal magazine guns. There is also the issue that there are literally 3-fold+ more magazines than there are magazine-fed firearms, and trying to collect and destroy every one would be a logistical enforcement nightmare. --- // BEAUTY IS NOT LOVE - LOVE IS NOT MUSIC - MUSIC IS THE BEST - WISDOM IS THE DOMAIN OF THE WIZ--WHICH IS EXTINCT // http://www.last.fm/user/Pogo92 <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:896862038] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>Would this ban stripper clips as well? Stripper clips can be used to fairly rapidly reload internal magazine guns. There is also the issue that there are literally 3-fold+ more magazines than there are magazine-fed firearms, and trying to collect and destroy every one would be a logistical enforcement nightmare.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DifferentialEquation 02/27/18 11:42:34 AM #45:	ClunkerSlim posted... DifferentialEquation posted... And what would you do for all of the ones that are already in circulation? Confiscate them? Make them illegal to transport except under certain situations. If caught illegally transporting a weapon the government can seize it. Banning certain weapons and seizing illegal transport would make a pretty big dent after a few years. What are the certain conditions? --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:896862184] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>And what would you do for all of the ones that are already in circulation? Confiscate them?</quote> Make them illegal to transport except under certain situations. If caught illegally transporting a weapon the government can seize it. Banning certain weapons and seizing illegal transport would make a pretty big dent after a few years.</quote> What are the certain conditions?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/27/18 11:42:39 AM #46:	Unconstitutional, TC. See DC vs Heller. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:896862189] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>Unconstitutional, TC. See DC vs Heller.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 02/27/18 11:43:32 AM #47:	DifferentialEquation posted... And what would you do for all of the ones that are already in circulation? Confiscate them? There are programs that already exist that allow people to voluntarily give up guns, including illegal ones without worrying about getting into any legal trouble, and receive something in exchange. Eventually stuff like that would greatly reduce the number of guns in circulation. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:896862243] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>And what would you do for all of the ones that are already in circulation? Confiscate them?</quote> There are programs that already exist that allow people to voluntarily give up guns, including illegal ones without worrying about getting into any legal trouble, and receive something in exchange. Eventually stuff like that would greatly reduce the number of guns in circulation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/27/18 11:44:03 AM #48:	This assumes a lawyer'd workaround wouldn't emerge immediately. http://www.redding.com/story/news/2017/12/22/workarounds-new-california-gun-laws-already-play/971864001/ <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896862278] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote>This assumes a lawyer'd workaround wouldn't emerge immediately. http://www.redding.com/story/news/2017/12/22/workarounds-new-california-gun-laws-already-play/971864001/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DifferentialEquation 02/27/18 11:47:35 AM #50:	ClunkerSlim posted... DifferentialEquation posted... ClunkerSlim posted... DifferentialEquation posted... And what would you do for all of the ones that are already in circulation? Confiscate them? Make them illegal to transport except under certain situations. If caught illegally transporting a weapon the government can seize it. Banning certain weapons and seizing illegal transport would make a pretty big dent after a few years. What are the certain conditions? If youre driving to sale, change residency, or have a permit to shoot then youre fine. What's a permit to shoot? I purchased my firearm legally and I am currently allowed to transport it in my vehicle without any permit. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:896862505] in my gun con... [t:76363087]...</cite> <quote><cite>ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>And what would you do for all of the ones that are already in circulation? Confiscate them?</quote> Make them illegal to transport except under certain situations. If caught illegally transporting a weapon the government can seize it. Banning certain weapons and seizing illegal transport would make a pretty big dent after a few years.</quote> What are the certain conditions?</quote> If youre driving to sale, change residency, or have a permit to shoot then youre fine.</quote> What's a permit to shoot? I purchased my firearm legally and I am currently allowed to transport it in my vehicle without any permit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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