Poll of the Day > About to head out to watch The Last Jedi!!!

(+) Yeah! (+)

I'm super stoked! And I guess I'll see afterwards if people are whining about nothing just like they were in The Force Awakens.
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It was fine, enjoy it:)
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Loved it!

wolfy42 posted...

It was fine, enjoy it:)

In all honesty, they would have to call it "The Last Jedi" and then have the movie be only about Chewbacca for me to dislike it.

Now I get the fun task of going to youtube and whatnot and see what people are whining about. And like I said in the OP, I bet it's just about nothing, just like all the things people were whining about with The Force Awakens.
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did you like the scene whereleia got blown out into space then used the force to get back in because that is the one scene i did not care for. other than that good movie

Huh? I saw nothing but people raving about the force awakens after it came out. It was only after the honeymoon phase ended that people began to realize it was shit

I actually liked it way more than I thought I would. It has major and minor flaws but it was entertaining to me.
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LaggnFragnLarry posted...

did you like the scene whereleia got blown out into space then used the force to get back in because that is the one scene i did not care for. other than that good movie

The scene was really cheesy but what really got me was that NO ONE SEEMED TO CARE SHE JUST DID THAT. Not questioned. No one surprises. Never brought up again.

And Luke was so badass at the end.
I was sad when he disappeared
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LaggnFragnLarry posted...

did you like the scene whereleia got blown out into space then used the force to get back in because that is the one scene i did not care for. other than that good movie

I did, cause I don't want Leia to die.

The only thing I didn't like about the movie was what happened to Snoke. The fight right after that was extremely awesome though!
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FellWolf posted...

The scene was really cheesy but what really got me was that NO ONE SEEMED TO CARE SHE JUST DID THAT. Not questioned. No one surprises. Never brought up again.

And Luke was so badass at the end.
I was sad when he disappeared

The crew seemed to be in awe, and then too busy to focus on her force use after the fact. Regardless, it's pretty well known that she's the twin of Luke Skywalker and would be expected to be force sensitive herself. It's in all of the EU cannon. We also don't know that she hasn't used the force in the presence of others before.

It was badass and I honestly thought she was going to die given that Carrie Fisher had passed away. Think of the alternative here. What would have been undeniably underwhelming would have been her blowing out into space and that was that. A swift and nonchalant death like Ackbar. Far worse than Snoke.
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yea i dont want her to die even though thats what i was half expecting going into the movie since she died irl but i agree with fellwolf that it felt cheesy and out of place. more character development/backstory with snoke before he died would have been good

Doctor Foxx posted...

nonchalant death like Ackbar

that also was a little disappointing rip ackbar

Yes I was also disappointed that Snoke died just like that. No backstory as to who he was
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FellWolf posted...

Yes I was also disappointed that Snoke died just like that. No backstory as to who he was

Ultimately it doesn't matter because Snoke is nothing in the big picture
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Doctor Foxx posted...

FellWolf posted...

Yes I was also disappointed that Snoke died just like that. No backstory as to who he was

Ultimately it doesn't matter because Snoke is nothing in the big picture

It's just there were a lot of theories as to who he could be, and they built him up to be bad ass. And then he just does like that.
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FellWolf posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

FellWolf posted...

Yes I was also disappointed that Snoke died just like that. No backstory as to who he was

Ultimately it doesn't matter because Snoke is nothing in the big picture

It's just there were a lot of theories as to who he could be, and they built him up to be bad ass. And then he just does like that.

Does no one remember how shit and shallow Darth Maul or Dooku were or what

We've really only had one well fleshed out baddie, Darth Vader. The whole series is about him and his progeny (and the worlds and beings they encounter)
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Doctor Foxx posted...

FellWolf posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

FellWolf posted...

Yes I was also disappointed that Snoke died just like that. No backstory as to who he was

Ultimately it doesn't matter because Snoke is nothing in the big picture

It's just there were a lot of theories as to who he could be, and they built him up to be bad ass. And then he just does like that.

Does no one remember how shit and shallow Darth Maul or Dooku were or what

We've really only had one well fleshed out baddie, Darth Vader. The whole series is about him and his progeny (and the worlds and beings they encounter)

Yeah, but you're using the prequels as a comparison, which everyone already thinks are bad.

The problem isn't that he dies, it's that he dies in a nonsensical way, to someone who's proven repeatedly to be incompetent. And the movies wastes your time on Finn and Rose's pointless misadventure instead of explaining who Snoke is or why you should care about him other than that he's powerful.

Also, while I like Kylo Ren as a character, having him as the main antagonist, seems extremely underwhelming, as I said earlier, he's proven repeatedly to be incompetent, and is equal to Rey at best if not weaker.

The main antagonist who has been training in the ways of the force since he was a kid is weaker than the protagonist, who has had basically no training.

Where is the tension supposed to come from? Even if Kylo has an army the movie never portrays him as anything except incompetent, so he doesn't feel threatening at all. He in fact shows in this movie how he's still extremely incompetent and non threatening even with an army as he's thoroughly bamboozled by Luke's hallucination or projection or whatever it was even though he himself is an attuned force user.
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For any Porg haters

That Jedi location was filled with puffins. It was easier to animate over them than to remove them from every frame.



It was innovation from necessity rather than some out of the blue merchandising cash grab. And they're cute in that weird Star Wars creature way.
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i liked the porgs but they have had plushies of them available inside disney world since the early part of this year

TFA was a terrible movie

DarkKirby2500 posted...

Yeah, but you're using the prequels as a comparison, which everyone already thinks are bad.

The prequels are bad not because of their villains, but the overall story and the way it was shown.

My comparison is to show that the closer you are to the Skywalker family the more you get fleshed out: and if you're a villain force user it's the only way you're worthwhile in the films. The villains that weren't were rather inconsequential. Kylo had always been more important than Snoke. Episodes 1 and 2 didn't have a Skywalker villain. 3 was when it got real and Anakin got to doing the really bad shit

8 is when the sequels get real. Kylo killing Snoke in that way showed how inferior Snoke was. It also felt like some Games of Thrones stuff to me. Snoke could have had more back story, but does it really matter when he doesn't? Everyone wanted a story to know why they should care about Snoke when he was no longer anything to care about
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Does no one remember how shit and shallow Darth Maul or Dooku were or what

How could I forget Darth Maul? He's my favorite Star Wars villain!
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Does no one remember how shit and shallow Darth Maul or Dooku were or what

How could I forget Darth Maul? He's my favorite Star Wars villain!

He was very exciting on screen, had a memorable look, but he lacked any real depth to his story in the movie. Which is one thing I've heard people complain about with Snoke. I'd say that's true of many of the villains.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Does no one remember how shit and shallow Darth Maul or Dooku were or what

How could I forget Darth Maul? He's my favorite Star Wars villain!

He was very exciting on screen, had a memorable look, but he lacked any real depth to his story in the movie. Which is one thing I've heard people complain about with Snoke. I'd say that's true of many of the villains.

I think it's because Darth Maul has actual backstory from the universe or whatevers. Snoke was a new name, and it could have been revealed to be a coverup. I mean I'm super interested in the dude... I wanna know why his face is so rekt.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

DarkKirby2500 posted...

Yeah, but you're using the prequels as a comparison, which everyone already thinks are bad.

The prequels are bad not because of their villains, but the overall story and the way it was shown.

My comparison is to show that the closer you are to the Skywalker family the more you get fleshed out: and if you're a villain force user it's the only way you're worthwhile in the films. The villains that weren't were rather inconsequential. Kylo had always been more important than Snoke. Episodes 1 and 2 didn't have a Skywalker villain. 3 was when it got real and Anakin got to doing the really bad shit

8 is when the sequels get real. Kylo killing Snoke in that way showed how inferior Snoke was. It also felt like some Games of Thrones stuff to me. Snoke could have had more back story, but does it really matter when he doesn't? Everyone wanted a story to know why they should care about Snoke when he was no longer anything to care about

The prequels were in part bad because of the villains. Almost every villain had no motivation or reason for what they were doing, and existed to be an evil force for the protagonists to fight. Heck, the decisions and actions of the villains (as well as various other characters) were often completely nonsensical. None of the villains seem to have a reason for being evil or benefits from anything they are doing except Palpatine, who's own actions are a round about series of decisions which contradict his own goals and rely on an exact series of events to occur to have any chance of success.

You say "Kylo had always been more important than Snoke" as if Kylo has been in more than 2 movies, Both Kylo and Snoke have only been in 2 movies but Kylo got more screen time.

So yes, Kylo has been more important, but Snoke could have been made more important, or at least given more explanation.

You have to know enough about who a character is and why they are doing something to really care about them dying. What do we know about Snoke? He's a random extremely powerful Sith who showed up out of nowhere, created the First Order without an explanation of how, and dresses like Goldmember from Austin Powers.

So Snoke dies unceremoniously leaving tons of questions unanswered, and the movie just tells you to movie on, we're not going to explain anything to you, Kylo is the new Emperor now, and everyone in the movie just accepts it and moves on like that's normal.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Does no one remember how shit and shallow Darth Maul or Dooku were or what

How could I forget Darth Maul? He's my favorite Star Wars villain!

He was very exciting on screen, had a memorable look, but he lacked any real depth to his story in the movie. Which is one thing I've heard people complain about with Snoke. I'd say that's true of many of the villains.

But that's just the thing. Maul was awesome and he didn't even need a backstory or any sort of motivation.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0biqMZrxJ0

Just watched this from the other topic. Looks like Mark really disliked how Luke was portrayed. I feel like he was redeemed at the very end but that's it. And then disappointed when he "dies"
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Does no one remember how shit and shallow Darth Maul or Dooku were or what

How could I forget Darth Maul? He's my favorite Star Wars villain!

He was very exciting on screen, had a memorable look, but he lacked any real depth to his story in the movie. Which is one thing I've heard people complain about with Snoke. I'd say that's true of many of the villains.

But that's just the thing. Maul was awesome and he didn't even need a backstory or any sort of motivation.

maul was lame as hell tho.
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FellWolf posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0biqMZrxJ0

Just watched this from the other topic. Looks like Mark really disliked how Luke was portrayed. I feel like he was redeemed at the very end but that's it. And then disappointed when he "dies"

Luke contemplating killing Kylo in his sleep to the point he turned his lightsaber on didn't make sense. This is the guy who went on a suicide mission to try and turn Darth Vader and was temped by the dark side himself.

But I think it would have at least been more interesting if they followed through with Luke's "just let force users die out, they cause more harm then good" plan.

Of course, while that would be interesting, it would prevent Disney from milking Star Wars till the end of time.

The movie instead repeatedly pulls the "the twit is there is no twist" card. By the end of the movie everyone is back at where they started with light side vs dark side, rebels vs Empire.
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I loved it too, but the experience was marred by these guys behind me who would not shut the fuck up. they made comments and laughed the entire movie. I'm cursed with these disney movies. so far with each one, something bad has happened surrounding the movie. we'll see what happens next year with Han Solo