Current Events > Chatanooga man fired for sitting during national anthem at work event

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http://news3lv.com/news/nation-world/chattanooga-man-loses-his-job-after-sitting-during-national-anthem-at-a-weekend-event

regardless of your stance on this issue, before you pass judgement, ask yourself

"Would I feel the same way if he was fired for standing during the anthem?"

if you don't say "yes", reevaluate your stance, because the answer should be "yes".

edit: *Chattanooga
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Private company, they can if they want
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

"Would I feel the same way if he was fired for standing during the anthem?"

if you don't say "yes", reevaluate your stance, because the answer should be "yes".

Why would it be yes unless we're completely ignoring context? Standing during the anthem is what "everyone" does, so following the group's actions and not rocking the boat isn't usually what gets people fired. "Othering" yourself by going against the group's actions is what can lead to termination.
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"Employers are entitled to fire people, what's known as 'at will.' That is for any reason they have, or for no reason at all," Mark Tushnet said.

Fair, next.

Glad the racist right is still hypocritical
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Tennessee is a right to work state. You can walk in and your employer can say I don't like your face. You're fired.

Good.

it's pretty bullshit that people take issue with something as innocuous as kneeling during the anthem, but I guess it's whatever
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I guess he can continue his protest at home without worrying about his employers.
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forced patriotism aint patriotism
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s0nicfan posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

"Would I feel the same way if he was fired for standing during the anthem?"

if you don't say "yes", reevaluate your stance, because the answer should be "yes".

Why would it be yes unless we're completely ignoring context? Standing during the anthem is what "everyone" does, so following the group's actions and not rocking the boat isn't usually what gets people fired. "Othering" yourself by going against the group's actions is what can lead to termination.

but you're asserting that the company has the right to fire individuals for doing something the company doens't like. if the company had a very different political viewpoint and insisted people sat during the anthem and fired those who disobeyed, it should be treated the same.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

edit: *Chattanooga

No you were right, the whole town deserves to lose a t because of this.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

"Would I feel the same way if he was fired for standing during the anthem?"

if you don't say "yes", reevaluate your stance, because the answer should be "yes".

Why would it be yes unless we're completely ignoring context? Standing during the anthem is what "everyone" does, so following the group's actions and not rocking the boat isn't usually what gets people fired. "Othering" yourself by going against the group's actions is what can lead to termination.

but you're asserting that the company has the right to fire individuals for doing something the company doens't like. if the company had a very different political viewpoint and insisted people sat during the anthem and fired those who disobeyed, it should be treated the same.

No, I'm asserting that the way people feel about someone being fired depends entirely on whether the actions that led to termination were ones that everyone else in the company does versus one that explicitly makes them look like an outsider to the group.

EDIT: To address your scenario, if a company had an explicit "we don't stand during the anthem" policy and a guy was fired for standing, I'd feel exactly the same about the firing as this person here.
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C7D posted...

Tennessee is a right to work state. You can walk in and your employer can say I don't like your face. You're fired.

As is Georgia where I currently live. I'm also assuming he was bad at his job or wasn't important to the company and this was the final straw so to speak.
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s0nicfan posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

"Would I feel the same way if he was fired for standing during the anthem?"

if you don't say "yes", reevaluate your stance, because the answer should be "yes".

Why would it be yes unless we're completely ignoring context? Standing during the anthem is what "everyone" does, so following the group's actions and not rocking the boat isn't usually what gets people fired. "Othering" yourself by going against the group's actions is what can lead to termination.

but you're asserting that the company has the right to fire individuals for doing something the company doens't like. if the company had a very different political viewpoint and insisted people sat during the anthem and fired those who disobeyed, it should be treated the same.

No, I'm asserting that the way people feel about someone being fired depends entirely on whether the actions that led to termination were ones that everyone else in the company does versus one that explicitly makes them look like an outsider to the group.

right, so if the politics at the company were reversed and the majority of people who work there were protesting via sitting, would it be fine to fire the one guy who was defiant and stood up anyway?
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

right, so if the politics at the company were reversed and the majority of people who work there were protesting via sitting, would it be fine to fire the one guy who was defiant and stood up anyway?

Yes.

"Employers are entitled to fire people, what's known as 'at will.' That is for any reason they have, or for no reason at all," Mark Tushnet said.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

right, so if the politics at the company were reversed and the majority of people who work there were protesting via sitting, would it be fine to fire the one guy who was defiant and stood up anyway?

Yes. He was explicitly violating company policy. That's how that works.

EDIT: Even if it's just "company politics" it would be the same. If you know what your company stands for and you make a show of defiance against it, expect your ass to be on the street.
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s0nicfan posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

right, so if the politics at the company were reversed and the majority of people who work there were protesting via sitting, would it be fine to fire the one guy who was defiant and stood up anyway?

Yes. He was explicitly violating company policy. That's how that works.

EDIT: Even if it's just "company politics" it would be the same. If you know what your company stands for and you make a show of defiance against it, expect your ass to be on the street.

agree 100%
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E32005 posted...

Glad the racist right is still hypocritical

Wut
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