Current Events > Where do you stand on the Mutant Registration Act?

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I was actually going to make a topic like this but include options for how people feel about gun control as well.

Anyways, they should have to register, misuse of the registry should result in life in prison and mutants should be a protected class.

As for compulsory govt. work ie draft for just mutants? No, it should include everyone for a 2 year term.
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Unlike guns, mutant powers are things people are born with and cannot chose to remove. We can't penalize people for what they are, and at the center of all of this is the fact that mutants are people just like everyone else. So no forced registration. No compulsory drafts (unless everyone gets hit with a draft like in Israel or South Korea). These things have to be applied fairly.

That said, just like we keep records on felons, mutants who break the law should be registered, if for nothing else, so that law enforcement knows how to properly house incarcerated mutants for their terms, and so that law enforcement doesn't go in blind to certain situations dealing with criminally inclined mutants. This is not all that different from what we do felons now.
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hollow_shrine posted...

Unlike guns, mutant powers are things people are born with and cannot chose to remove. We can't penalize people for what they are, and at the center of all of this is the fact that mutants are people just like everyone else. So no forced registration.

So you're fine with someone walking around with the power to destroy lives and even entire cities, all because they were born with it? What a bizarre and arbitrary criterion for whether or not large amounts of power should be recorded in a registry.

QuantumScript posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Unlike guns, mutant powers are things people are born with and cannot chose to remove. We can't penalize people for what they are, and at the center of all of this is the fact that mutants are people just like everyone else. So no forced registration.

So you're fine with someone walking around with the power to destroy lives and even entire cities, all because they were born with it? What a bizarre and arbitrary criterion for whether or not large amounts of power should be recorded in a registry.

If they're going to destroy a city, they're going to destroy a city. I'm not sure what having their name on a list is going to do about that.

QuantumScript posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Unlike guns, mutant powers are things people are born with and cannot chose to remove. We can't penalize people for what they are, and at the center of all of this is the fact that mutants are people just like everyone else. So no forced registration.

So you're fine with someone walking around with the power to destroy lives and even entire cities, all because they were born with it? What a bizarre and arbitrary criterion for whether or not large amounts of power should be recorded in a registry.

Well, we have already real life mutants with people who have Down's, Albinos and people with Werner ala Old Snake.

Do you think they should be registered?

Because it's the exact same fucking thing for either all mutants or no one.
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Canuklehead posted...

QuantumScript posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Unlike guns, mutant powers are things people are born with and cannot chose to remove. We can't penalize people for what they are, and at the center of all of this is the fact that mutants are people just like everyone else. So no forced registration.

So you're fine with someone walking around with the power to destroy lives and even entire cities, all because they were born with it? What a bizarre and arbitrary criterion for whether or not large amounts of power should be recorded in a registry.

If they're going to destroy a city, they're going to destroy a city. I'm not sure what having their name on a list is going to do about that.

Someone could say the same thing about gun registration

QuantumScript posted...

Someone could say the same thing about gun registration

You aren't born with a gun in your hands.
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They should be registered at birth because you never know who's powers will eventually become omega level. It would be crazy to just let people walk around without knowing if they have the power to destroy an entire city in 5 seconds or whatever
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QuantumScript posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Unlike guns, mutant powers are things people are born with and cannot chose to remove. We can't penalize people for what they are, and at the center of all of this is the fact that mutants are people just like everyone else. So no forced registration.

So you're fine with someone walking around with the power to destroy lives and even entire cities, all because they were born with it? What a bizarre and arbitrary criterion for whether or not large amounts of power should be recorded in a registry.

If anything, your rubrick is bizarre and arbitrary because you're the one advocating for across the board registration for mutants of a "certain power level" which is a vague cut off point here and needs clear and precise definition if it's going to become policy with which we can impinge upon the rights of citizens who have done nothing wrong.

We don't narc on people born into high risk neighborhoods or communities on the 'threat of their future criminality.' We punish criminals for the crimes they commit. That's why, I'm advocating registering only those mutants who have committed crimes, to preserve the rights of all citizens.
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hollow_shrine posted...

QuantumScript posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Unlike guns, mutant powers are things people are born with and cannot chose to remove. We can't penalize people for what they are, and at the center of all of this is the fact that mutants are people just like everyone else. So no forced registration.

So you're fine with someone walking around with the power to destroy lives and even entire cities, all because they were born with it? What a bizarre and arbitrary criterion for whether or not large amounts of power should be recorded in a registry.

If anything, your rubrick is bizarre and arbitrary because you're the one advocating for across the board registration for mutants of a "certain power level" which is a vague cut off point here and needs clear and precise definition if it's going to become policy with which we can impinge upon the rights of citizens who have done nothing wrong.

We don't narc on people born into high risk neighborhoods or communities on the 'threat of their future criminality.' We punish criminals for the crimes they commit. That's why, I'm advocating registering only those mutants who have committed crimes, to preserve the rights of all citizens.

So then are you going to be consistent by saying that we should register only gun owners who have committed crimes?

GOATSLAYER posted...

They should be registered at birth because you never know who's powers will eventually become omega level

And we don't have to.

GOATSLAYER posted...

It would be crazy to just let people walk around without knowing if they have the power to destroy an entire city in 5 seconds or whatever

You're assuming they'll end up doing that. For all you know, they could become monks and spend their entire lives in seclusion.
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QuantumScript posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

QuantumScript posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Unlike guns, mutant powers are things people are born with and cannot chose to remove. We can't penalize people for what they are, and at the center of all of this is the fact that mutants are people just like everyone else. So no forced registration.

So you're fine with someone walking around with the power to destroy lives and even entire cities, all because they were born with it? What a bizarre and arbitrary criterion for whether or not large amounts of power should be recorded in a registry.

If anything, your rubrick is bizarre and arbitrary because you're the one advocating for across the board registration for mutants of a "certain power level" which is a vague cut off point here and needs clear and precise definition if it's going to become policy with which we can impinge upon the rights of citizens who have done nothing wrong.

We don't narc on people born into high risk neighborhoods or communities on the 'threat of their future criminality.' We punish criminals for the crimes they commit. That's why, I'm advocating registering only those mutants who have committed crimes, to preserve the rights of all citizens.

So then are you going to be consistent by saying that we should register only gun owners who have committed crimes?

Buying a gun is a choice.
Being born mutant is not a choice.

hollow_shrine posted...

Unlike guns, mutant powers are things people are born with and cannot chose to remove. We can't penalize people for what they are, and at the center of all of this is the fact that mutants are people just like everyone else. So no forced registration. No compulsory drafts (unless everyone gets hit with a draft like in Israel or South Korea). These things have to be applied fairly.

That said, just like we keep records on felons, mutants who break the law should be registered, if for nothing else, so that law enforcement knows how to properly house incarcerated mutants for their terms, and so that law enforcement doesn't go in blind to certain situations dealing with criminally inclined mutants. This is not all that different from what we do felons now.

This is where I come down on it. I morally can't get on board with keeping a list of people who are different from others through no fault of their own, even it there is some reasonable practical arguments for why we should track them. Especially in a world where mutants are a heavily discriminated class and where the government has at times licensed literal giant robots to track them down.

Mutant criminals on the other hand should have a record kept on them. Just like we keep records of human criminals.
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Kim Kusanagi posted...

And we don't have to.

You clearly don't know the canon, mutants are those with the x-factor gene, not just anyone with mutations (which is literally everyone).

Those with the x-factor would have to register.

We don't have to, because we, DON'T PRODUCE MAGICAL FUCKING NUKE PHYSICS BREAKING POWERS FOR FUCK SAKE.
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Kim Kusanagi posted...

GOATSLAYER posted...

They should be registered at birth because you never know who's powers will eventually become omega level

And we don't have to.

GOATSLAYER posted...

It would be crazy to just let people walk around without knowing if they have the power to destroy an entire city in 5 seconds or whatever

You're assuming they'll end up doing that. For all you know, they could become monks and spend their entire lives in seclusion.

You can't just leave up to chance. Even if they never become a villain or whatever, they might not be able to control their powers and it could have catastrophic results. So if someon was a living atomic bomb and they didn't commit any crimes, you think it would be alright to just let them walk around unregistered and unmonitored? At the very least, high risk mutants should get education to help them control their abilities
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

You clearly don't know the canon, mutants are those with the x-factor gene

How do you know those normal real life mutants I mentioned don't have the x-factor gene?

Have you tested them?

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

DON'T PRODUCE MAGICAL f***ING NUKE PHYSICS BREAKING POWERS FOR f*** SAKE.

Neither do the Morlocks, for example.

GOATSLAYER posted...

You can't just leave up to chance.

Yes we can. Everyone deserves a chance.

It's like saying we should put down the children of serial killers because we can't leave up to chance and they might end up being psychotic psychopaths as well. Or not?

GOATSLAYER posted...

At the very least, high risk mutants should get education to help them control their abilities

That's what we at Jean Grey's School for Higher Learning have been trying to do for quite a while as of today.
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QuantumScript posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

QuantumScript posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Unlike guns, mutant powers are things people are born with and cannot chose to remove. We can't penalize people for what they are, and at the center of all of this is the fact that mutants are people just like everyone else. So no forced registration.

So you're fine with someone walking around with the power to destroy lives and even entire cities, all because they were born with it? What a bizarre and arbitrary criterion for whether or not large amounts of power should be recorded in a registry.

If anything, your rubrick is bizarre and arbitrary because you're the one advocating for across the board registration for mutants of a "certain power level" which is a vague cut off point here and needs clear and precise definition if it's going to become policy with which we can impinge upon the rights of citizens who have done nothing wrong.

We don't narc on people born into high risk neighborhoods or communities on the 'threat of their future criminality.' We punish criminals for the crimes they commit. That's why, I'm advocating registering only those mutants who have committed crimes, to preserve the rights of all citizens.

So then are you going to be consistent by saying that we should register only gun owners who have committed crimes?

While I don't advocate a registry of guns, I'm pretty flexible on that, and I absolutely would prevent felons with a history of violent crime from acquiring firearms. More to the point, why are these stances inconsistent? Owning a gun is a choice. Being a mutant, regardless of your powers, isn't.
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I always saw the problem with this Act that villains would just refuse to register and the good guys that would be willing to register would be blamed for something that say Magneto might do.

QuantumScript posted...

So you're fine with someone walking around with the power to destroy lives and even entire cities, all because they were born with it? What a bizarre and arbitrary criterion for whether or not large amounts of power should be recorded in a registry.

There's nothing arbitrary about being against registering people merely for being in a certain way.


If you want to register people for having the power to destroy lives or cities, why are you including all mutants even those without such power, but not including other non-mutant superhumans with such powers.

I was always pro-registration. Mutants and capes in general. Cap was wrong, Iron Man was right. If you don't like it, move to a country that doesn't register them, its too dangerous to go unchecked. And I say this as someone who is 100% opposed to the people in power at the moment.
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