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iGenesis
12/19/11 10:32:00 PM
#1:


I thought Link would get over 70% given his blowout vs. Cloud/Sephiroth and Skyward Sword boosting his popularity.

I bet every last point.

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Tomba42
12/19/11 10:34:00 PM
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I was going for 60% and I still lose it all.

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XIII_rocks
12/19/11 10:36:00 PM
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Straight Link was the way to go Broseph.

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iGenesis
12/19/11 10:37:00 PM
#4:


How many people besides Jeff Raze actually have a non-straight pick below 60% ?

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Menji76
12/19/11 10:37:00 PM
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Why would he even get close to 70%? Terrible pick.

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iGenesis
12/19/11 10:38:00 PM
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From: XIII_rocks | #003
Straight Link was the way to go Broseph.


That was my original entry, but with all the folks going for 5s and 1s I thought 10 would be the lowest you can go to stay competitive. Never would I have thought that Link might go below 55.

If Link ends under 55, Jeff Raze is screwed, too.

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iGenesis
12/19/11 10:39:00 PM
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From: Menji76 | #005
Why would he even get close to 70%? Terrible pick.


1. Blowout against Cloud
2. Skyward Sword
3. No major Mario game this year (unless you count 3D Land but that's a handheld title and unlikely to influence the types of fanboys who vote in these polls)

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Lopen
12/19/11 10:39:00 PM
#8:


55-60 is probably the winner here. 50-55 is an outside shot. 60 or higher seems out of the question

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AlecTrevelyan006
12/19/11 10:41:00 PM
#9:


From: iGenesis | #007
1. Blowout against Cloud
2. Skyward Sword
3. No major Mario game this year (unless you count 3D Land but that's a handheld title and unlikely to influence the types of fanboys who vote in these polls)


Mario beat Trainers with ease.

Trainers beat Cloud.

That right there should be a hint that Mario was strong!

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Wanglicious
12/19/11 10:41:00 PM
#10:


a handheld title with sales similar to skyward sword and very likely beats it by now. >__>;

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Eternal4Xizor
12/19/11 10:43:00 PM
#11:


Menji76 posted...
Why would he even get close to 70%? Terrible pick.

Last character battle Link got 64% on Mario, I think. So, 60-70 seemed like a decent 10% bet. Anything can still happen though.

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Lopen
12/19/11 10:43:00 PM
#12:


Also yeah picking Link vs Ganondorf with 70% is a sign of not paying attention to this contest and weighing previous years too much. Especially after Pokemon Trainers beat Cloud and Seph.

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PartOfYourWorld
12/19/11 10:44:00 PM
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Am I the only one here who cares at all about finishing on the leaderboard, even if it doesn't result in one of the top three prizes? >_>

Even still, the safest bet just seemed like the only way to go with so much on the line. Hate to say it, but I think some of you guys just didn't realize how rare a 63-match streak is. Having 50 guys accomplish the feat at once might make it seem common, but before this, it NEVER happened in a decade of these contests. Going 63/63 and having zero points to show for it would have made me feel way too foolish to go for the gold.

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iGenesis
12/19/11 10:46:00 PM
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From: Wanglicious | #011
a handheld title with sales similar to skyward sword and very likely beats it by now. >__>;


is there any doubt this would happen? it's cheaper and portable gaming caters to soccer moms and grandmas as well as the hardcore audience.

From: Lopen | #009
Also yeah picking Mario vs Bowser with 70% is a sign of not paying attention to this contest and weighing previous years too much. Especially after Pokemon Trainers beat Cloud and Seph.


not Mario/Bowser. Link/Ganon.

Pokemon Trainers effectively tied Cloud (that was what I saw when I made my analysis)

You can't compare SFF matches vs. non-SFF matches. In the first character battle, Mario edged out Cloud, but Link crushed Mario with 62.x%. When Nintendo fanboys are split between Mario and LOZ, most go for LOZ.

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Wanglicious
12/19/11 10:46:00 PM
#15:


last year link won with 64% sure, but that was a straight link/mario. would assume the rivalry factor could account for a good 5-10% seeing how mario/bowser's a hell of a lot closer to the theme than link/ganon.

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Wanglicious
12/19/11 10:48:00 PM
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grandmas ain't the ones with 3ds right now. you've got a system in the first year of its life? you aren't the most casual of people. being portable has nothing to do with anything either.

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JeffreyRaze
12/19/11 10:49:00 PM
#17:


sonicboom510 said he took the 55-60 as well in the perfects topic. But I do wish I could see my pick so I can confirm for myself that I didn't somehow screw everything up at the last second >_>

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Lopen
12/19/11 10:49:00 PM
#18:


Obviously I meant Link vs Ganon.

You can compare SFF matches and non SFF matches pretty easily if you know how. Think about it-- Mega Man vs Wily got almost 25% on Link. To think Mario would only beat that by 5% despite looking a hell of a lot more beastly in this format is just a bad pick, sorry.

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iGenesis
12/19/11 10:52:00 PM
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From: PartOfYourWorld | #013
Am I the only one here who cares at all about finishing on the leaderboard, even if it doesn't result in one of the top three prizes? >_>

Even still, the safest bet just seemed like the only way to go with so much on the line. Hate to say it, but I think some of you guys just didn't realize how rare a 63-match streak is. Having 50 guys accomplish the feat at once might make it seem common, but before this, it NEVER happened in a decade of these contests. Going 63/63 and having zero points to show for it would have made me feel way too foolish to go for the gold.


That's because you're the most successful gfaqs contestant ever, and you want to defend that title.

To me, being on the leaderboard isn't as important as winning a prize, because once contest season is over, no one's going to care about who made 37th place on the LB, unless it's a recurring winner like you.

I was thinking about it more from a prize perspective. Winners beyond the Top 3 get Gamespot Gamemarket vouchers. 11th to 20th place get $10 vouchers. I live in California where notaries cost $10. It'd be foolish to trade $10 in liquid cash for more restrictive $10 voucher on an unpopular service.

What I didn't see on the board was a single well-reasoned analysis/argument about why Link could possibly end below 60% or even 55%. Just about everyone was going for at least 60% and above.

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iGenesis
12/19/11 10:55:00 PM
#20:


From: JeffreyRaze | #017
sonicboom510 said he took the 55-60 as well in the perfects topic


No, he took a 1% pick (55.x)

If link goes to 56+ (55.99 as of last update) he's screwed too.

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Lopen
12/19/11 10:56:00 PM
#21:


The argument for Link ending below 60% is pretty easy.

- Link got 58% on Cloud
- Mario got 56% on Pokemon Trainers, and Pokemon has proven to resist SFF pretty well in the past.
- Pokemon beat FF7.

Like assuming no SFF in Mario/Link the match ends like 52-48 or something. You're expecting a lot of SFF between the two to have Link go above 60%, or an uncharacteristic SFFing of Pokemon. Much more than Mario's eaten in the past by a good amount. Forget 70%.

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negi_magician
12/19/11 10:57:00 PM
#22:


Lopen posted...
55-60 is probably the winner here. 50-55 is an outside shot. 60 or higher seems out of the question

This.

I had it set to the 10% range, and was trying to change it to 55-59% at the last minute. >_>

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JeffreyRaze
12/19/11 11:02:00 PM
#23:


From: iGenesis | #020
No, he took a 1% pick (55.x)

If link goes to 56+ (55.99 as of last update) he's screwed too.


Oh. Well good then, though I can't be the only one... Can I?

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Winged Supreme
12/19/11 11:09:00 PM
#24:


Doubtful, there's 50 tied at the top and not all of them post here.

Also anyone who took Straight Link basically said "Please give me a useless $10, I want no chance at $250."

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FreezeMaster
12/19/11 11:09:00 PM
#25:


In this club. If I could've set my own min/max as I had hoped, I'd still be in it, barely (57.5-62.49). Anybody else get screwed by that? :|
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JeffreyRaze
12/19/11 11:09:00 PM
#26:


Well, I can't remember my tiebreaker but it won't be winning me anything anytime soon.

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Solfadore
12/19/11 11:11:00 PM
#27:


5% or 1% was the way to go if you wanted prizes. And even then, a 60-64.99% pick wasn't too smart, given the fact that many people gambled on 1% picks within that range (enough to virtually cover every field). A 55-59.99%, on the other hand, is very solid, though.

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Lopen
12/19/11 11:14:00 PM
#28:


Eh. I wouldn't be surprised to see a straight Link pick be good enough for top 5 once ineligible entries are taken out and suicides are taken out.

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iGenesis
12/20/11 12:06:00 AM
#29:


From: JeffreyRaze | #023
Oh. Well good then, though I can't be the only one... Can I?


Hey, don't cheer at others' failings. That's poor sportsmanship.

From: Winged Supreme | #024
Also anyone who took Straight Link basically said "Please give me a useless $10, I want no chance at $250."


Yes, but it's not a "give me a useless $10." There are 77 entrants in serious contention for 20 prizes. The minimum score needed to be competitive in this final round is 130200 pts; there are 77 above this cutoff. Based on prior contests, the ratio of prize-eligible entries to total entries is about 70-75%. Judging from my 2nd place finish in the unofficial Spread Betting contest, I estimated that around half of all entrants would self-implode from reckless betting. Even then, a straight pick still seemed far from a guaranteed top20 finish. (Now that it's in hindsight, it seems obvious, but not before the fact.)

From: FreezeMaster | #025
In this club. If I could've set my own min/max as I had hoped, I'd still be in it, barely (57.5-62.49). Anybody else get screwed by that? :|


I was hoping we could set our own bounds, too. Freaking allen didn't care to implement my suggestion. If that were the case, I would have set 57 - 72.

From: Solfadore | #027
5% or 1% was the way to go if you wanted prizes. And even then, a 60-64.99% pick wasn't too smart, given the fact that many people gambled on 1% picks within that range (enough to virtually cover every field). A 55-59.99%, on the other hand, is very solid, though.


Right but who would've seen that coming. The theme of this contest up to this point has been "go with B8 popular sentiment."

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Solfadore
12/20/11 12:09:00 AM
#30:


Hey, I'm not judging! My bracket is headed straight to the garbage with a stupid 62% pick.

... That 70% pick is more than a little uncalled for, though.

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Winged Supreme
12/20/11 12:10:00 AM
#31:


I was hoping for top 3 and no less than that, I figured that whether I went 60-64.99 or 55-59.99, if I was right I had a decenct shot.

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JeffreyRaze
12/20/11 12:15:00 AM
#32:


Hey, don't cheer at others' failings. That's poor sportsmanship.

True. My bad :P

Right but who would've seen that coming. The theme of this contest up to this point has been "go with B8 popular sentiment."

This is true for the match winners, but the predicted percents have often been off by quite a bit.

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Lopen
12/20/11 12:22:00 AM
#33:


From: iGenesis | #029
Right but who would've seen that coming.


Anyone who has a good idea of how Link/Mario SFF usually goes, Pokemon SFF usually goes, and who paid attention to the last 3 matches. 55-60 should've been the favored pick here. 50-55 should've been the "upset" pick. 60-65 should've been the "this is somewhat unlikely and is going to catch most people who are too attached to Link getting between 60 and 65 against Mario in previous contests so don't go with this" pick. Higher is actually a worse pick than just going with Mario, which had an outside shot.

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iGenesis
12/20/11 12:26:00 AM
#34:


From: Lopen | #033
Anyone who has a good idea of how Link/Mario SFF usually goes, Pokemon SFF usually goes, and who paid attention to the last 3 matches. 55-60 should've been the favored pick here. 50-55 should've been the "upset" pick. 60-65 should've been the "this is somewhat unlikely and is going to catch most people who are too attached to Link getting between 60 and 65 against Mario in previous contests so don't go with this" pick. Higher is actually a worse pick than just going with Mario, which had an outside shot.


So I take it that you got a 195300 and bet it all on a 5% [55,60] pick?

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Lopen
12/20/11 12:30:00 AM
#35:


No. I stopped playing the battle challenge because I lost all my points on Dante/Sora midcontest. I don't need a perfect score to realize what the favored percentage should've been here, though.

I actually would've went Link 50-55 if I had the points anyway as a calculated risk so that approach is moot anyway though.

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Solfadore
12/20/11 12:33:00 AM
#36:


Nah, Lopen's right. People who paid attention rather than relying blindly on past years' stats (aka not me) would've called a somewhat weaker performance from Link here. Let's wait for the day vote, though. Link might gain one point or three in the course of the day.

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Lopen
12/20/11 12:44:00 AM
#37:


Like, I'm not trying to come off as an ass. I just don't like the vibe that you're giving that this is a total blindside result. It's really really not-- the third place match gives you a really good ballpark of where this should hit. I'm not going to say you're dumb not to pick 55-60, because you can argue for upset picks on the other sides (or Mario if you want a manly upset pick-- I wouldn't pick that though because I wouldn't want all my eggs in a basket and Mario winning would make me happy even if he cost me the contest).

Higher than 65 is completely absurd though. The strongest Mario we've seen by far shouldn't get beaten down by Link by the most we've ever seen especially when extrapolation without SFF says this is close to a 50/50.

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iGenesis
12/20/11 3:43:00 AM
#38:


From: Lopen | #037
Like, I'm not trying to come off as an ass. I just don't like the vibe that you're giving that this is a total blindside result. It's really really not-- the third place match gives you a really good ballpark of where this should hit. I'm not going to say you're dumb not to pick 55-60, because you can argue for upset picks on the other sides (or Mario if you want a manly upset pick-- I wouldn't pick that though because I wouldn't want all my eggs in a basket and Mario winning would make me happy even if he cost me the contest).

Higher than 65 is completely absurd though. The strongest Mario we've seen by far shouldn't get beaten down by Link by the most we've ever seen especially when extrapolation without SFF says this is close to a 50/50.


It's easy to say this in hindsight. Link me to a post where you predicted this beforehand using your Nostradamus-like reasoning skills.

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Dauntless Hunter
12/20/11 3:53:00 AM
#39:


I had far from a perfect battle bracket (lol Bosses over Samus), but I picked Link with either 54 or 56. I forget which one it was but I remember ones digits of 4 and 6 when the winner's decimal was dropped. However when I go to the battle pick entry form to see which it was, it just says I can't make a pick, so I guess my pick never went through?

God dammit, now I won't even beat Allen!

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SpikeDragon
12/20/11 4:03:00 AM
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To be honest, I used the same reasoning Lopen did (I picked Link vs. Ganondorf with 55-59%), and I'm sure others also reasoned the same way. I just saw how Mario did compared to the Trainers, and when the Trainers practically tied Cloud/Seph, I checked Cloud/Seph's semi performance, and Link/Ganon got around 58% on them. I was having trouble deciding between 55-59% and 60-64% because I wasn't sure if Mario/Bowser being Nintendo characters would SFF in Link/Ganon's favor, but I decided to go with 55-59% because I didn't think a finals matchup would have that big a blowout.

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Lopen
12/20/11 5:09:00 AM
#41:


I was too busy trying to hype the board on the possibility of Mario beating Link to have such a post, but I just provided you logic that was obviously there. Unless you think my post's logic is contrived in some way you shouldn't really think that this result is something that you couldn't see coming. And it's clear that some other people saw it too, so yeah.

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Heroic Viktor
12/20/11 5:20:00 AM
#42:


I wasn't technically perfect (one of the 7 who banked on the last match), but I threw all but 21,000 (gotta beat SB after all) on 55-59.99. Won't be good enough to win if it holds out, but should get me on the leaderboard again, I hope. Almost went balls to the wall with 58-58.99, but decided against it. It seemed like most the board was calling for 60%+, so a 5% that seemed fairly unoccupied was good enough from a game theory perspective. We shall see...

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sonicboom510
12/20/11 7:27:00 AM
#43:


JeffreyRaze posted...
From: iGenesis | #020
No, he took a 1% pick (55.x)

If link goes to 56+ (55.99 as of last update) he's screwed too.
Oh. Well good then, though I can't be the only one... Can I?


I lied about picking 1% to build hype lol. I actually bet all my points on 55-59.99 Link.

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AlecTrevelyan006
12/20/11 7:40:00 AM
#44:


From: PartOfYourWorld | #013
Am I the only one here who cares at all about finishing on the leaderboard, even if it doesn't result in one of the top three prizes? >_>

Even still, the safest bet just seemed like the only way to go with so much on the line. Hate to say it, but I think some of you guys just didn't realize how rare a 63-match streak is. Having 50 guys accomplish the feat at once might make it seem common, but before this, it NEVER happened in a decade of these contests. Going 63/63 and having zero points to show for it would have made me feel way too foolish to go for the gold.


Well, I might not have gambled in your place. But that's because I'd figure most other people would.

If I could have a 99% chance of ending on leaderboard or 1% chance of making money, I'd take 1% any day. Being down near the bottom of an online videogame contest leaderboard that nobody will ever care about again (save the top 10) doesn't mean that much to me.

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Safer Sephiroth 777
12/20/11 7:49:00 AM
#45:


To tell the truth I thought Link would get at least a doubling.I find it strange that Link is under 57.Of course he will recover and get around 60 but still.So in the first Character battle Link will have scored more on Mario than this one.Strange.

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12/20/11 10:26:00 PM
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