Current Events > This dude at work insisted that GoldenEye was the first FPS ever.

(+) Yeah! (+)

So we made a bet. Easiest $10 I made today.
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Not even close.
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Shut it

Asherlee10 posted...

Is it Wolfenstein 3D or Doom?

Wolfenstein came before Doom but there were other stuff before those like Maze Wars. Wolfenstein is definitely the major one though that put the genre on the map.
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goldeneye is bad and really hasnt aged well at all

trying to play FPS with the fucking godawful n64 pad is hilarious
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ManSpread posted...

goldeneye is bad and really hasnt aged well at all

trying to play FPS with the fucking godawful n64 pad is hilarious

I never understood this. GoldenEye is super easy to control. There are very few times you can't plow through every enemy by pointing in their general direction.
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This topic reminds me of a ludicrous claim I once heard that GoldenEye was the first console FPS.

Doom was ported to the Jaguar in 1994 and the Playstation a year later, and prior to that, the ill-fated 3DO got a Wolfenstein-esque maze shooter named Escape From Monster Manor in late 1993.
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The first FPS to feature complex mission structure, which forever changed the FPS genre.

Wasn't there some tank game on the Atari or something that was first person?
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Ranting Nord posted...

Wasn't there some tank game on the Atari or something that was first person?

Battlezone but it still wasn't the first and honestly wasn't a very good game.
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fenderbender321 posted...

ClunkerSlim posted...

I use to play this awesome maze running FPS. Id spend hours trying to find my way through that maze. It was some of the best moments of my life. Years later I went to GameStop to find that game but couldnt. No one could remember it. Finally another guy at the store said, Wait. Are you talking about the Windows 98 screensaver?

lol

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Ammonitida posted...

The first FPS to feature complex mission structure, which forever changed the FPS genre.

Lol fucking what
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Ammonitida posted...

The first FPS to feature complex mission structure, which forever changed the FPS genre.

Have you seen a typical Doom map?
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Ammonitida posted...

The first FPS to feature complex mission structure, which forever changed the FPS genre.

It's not even the first FPS that does it on the N64.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Oh Maze Wars... I forgot about that. I guess it was technically an FPS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-GY3bO0YsI
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Nazanir posted...

Ammonitida posted...

The first FPS to feature complex mission structure, which forever changed the FPS genre.

Have you seen a typical Doom map?

*Door is locked, need blue key*
*to get blue key, need red key*
*to get red key, need green key*
*to get green key, need blue key*
*oh wait there was a secret hallway the entire fucking time*
*ambushed by coco demons from another fucking secret hallway*
*run away, fall off a ledge*
*where the fuck*
*ragequit*
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Perfect Dark is better
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chill02 posted...

Perfect Dark is better

This x100
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ClunkerSlim posted...

I use to play this awesome maze running FPS. Id spend hours trying to find my way through that maze. It was some of the best moments of my life. Years later I went to GameStop to find that game but couldnt. No one could remember it. Finally another guy at the store said, Wait. Are you talking about the Windows 98 screensaver?

Did that maze actually have an end to it or would it just go on forever if left alone?

he must have been a console kid. alot of people that never played PC had no idea what was on pc, and didn't even know about FPS until Goldeneye came out. But to still think that, even in 2017 as an adult is kinda dumb. he should have heard of games like Doom by now.

Tezlok posted...

he must have been a console kid. alot of people that never played PC had no idea what was on pc, and didn't even know about FPS until Goldeneye came out. But to still think that, even in 2017 as an adult is kinda dumb. he should have heard of games like Doom by now.

I think he's just dumb, Doom came out on SNES. Also Turok came out before Goldeneye IIRC
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Goldeneye source was pretty fun when I hopped on that

Is it still active? Anyone know?

It was a fanmade mod for online multiplayer goldeneye
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It was the first one that mattered.
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Mikablu posted...

ClunkerSlim posted...

I use to play this awesome maze running FPS. Id spend hours trying to find my way through that maze. It was some of the best moments of my life. Years later I went to GameStop to find that game but couldnt. No one could remember it. Finally another guy at the store said, Wait. Are you talking about the Windows 98 screensaver?

Did that maze actually have an end to it or would it just go on forever if left alone?

Yeah it'd hit like a smiley face, and then generate a new maze
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CreekCo posted...

It was the first one that mattered.

lol
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Neoconkers posted...

Mikablu posted...

ClunkerSlim posted...

I use to play this awesome maze running FPS. Id spend hours trying to find my way through that maze. It was some of the best moments of my life. Years later I went to GameStop to find that game but couldnt. No one could remember it. Finally another guy at the store said, Wait. Are you talking about the Windows 98 screensaver?

Did that maze actually have an end to it or would it just go on forever if left alone?

Yeah it'd hit like a smiley face, and then generate a new maze

That's Minesweeper! You're not fooling me!
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CreekCo posted...

It was the first one that mattered.

while you were still in your diapers, people on PC were playing Wolfenstein, Doom and Quake, and developing the genre so that you could eventually play your precious Goldeneye. if it wasn't for those pinoneers, Goldeneye never would have existed. so no, they mattered.

lol how did you prove it to him, usually if ppl are dumb enough to believe something so ridiculous, their too dumb to comprehend the prove when you proof them wrong

i tend to say wolf3d.
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ChrisHanson24 posted...

lol how did you prove it to him, usually if ppl are dumb enough to believe something so ridiculous, their too dumb to comprehend the prove when you proof them wrong

The initial debate started out on the subject of video games and which ones we were looking forward to. I said Wolfenstein II, but he didn't know what Wolfenstein was (I realized that it's really hard trying to describe the modern Wolfenstein games to people), so one of the things I mentioned to him was that it was one of the first big FPS games and he said, "Nuh Uh. James Bond was."
I was shocked.
"GoldenEye?", I asked. "For the Nintendo 64?"

And yeah, that's what he was referring to. He was so sure too. He kept telling me I was wrong and for a bit, I thought he was fucking with me but he was deadly serious. So I made the bet and pulled up gameplay videos of OG Wolfenstein and Doom and show that they predated GoldenEye by the years all of them were released. He admitted defeat and, surprisingly gave up the $10 right there.
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Tezlok posted...

CreekCo posted...

It was the first one that mattered.

while you were still in your diapers, people on PC were playing Wolfenstein, Doom and Quake, and developing the genre so that you could eventually play your precious Goldeneye. if it wasn't for those pinoneers, Goldeneye never would have existed. so no, they mattered.

I played Wolfenstein when it first came out. It kinda sucked. Doom was better. I would not have recommended either to anyone other than people who had an expensive PC (very few people back then). Goldeneye was really the first shooter like that the masses had access to due to low cost of the system it was on.

Btw, your attitude is why the general public looks down on PC gamers. Pretty nasty elitist attitude for something that sucks to most members of the general public. Only gamers even knew about Wolfenstein. Doom came as a freebie in one of those PC magazines one day (same with Civilization) and that helped the popularity if both tremendously. It's hard for a game to find a larger fan base if only a few know about it. Worse still if said fanbase is elitist and dilusional (how I viewed most PC gamers and my opinion hasn't changed much over the years). To Joe Public, PC gaming barely exists in their perspective if at all.

For a jrpg example, take the Persona series. This means starting with Persona 3 to most newer fans. Few played Persona 1 or 2 and very few know that SMT has nothing to do with Persona at all. However, this is still foolishness to Joe Public who hasn't heard of any of this stuff. If they follow modern culture, they can probably mention SMT 3 exists but they mean Persona 3 and not Nocturne. It's kinda like that.
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Halo 2 was the very first FPS game, folks. It also invented dual-wielding and the concept of space aliens as an antagonistic force.
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masterpug53 posted...

Halo 2 was the very first FPS game, folks. It also invented dual-wielding and the concept of space aliens as an antagonistic force.

also online play and by extension, the internet
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@_@
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Hyperbole much?
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Goldeneye sucked compared to the PC shooters at the time.
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MakoReizei posted...

Goldeneye sucked compared to the PC shooters at the time.

Might be true. That's not the point though. Goldeneye was most people's gateway into FPS. That's a fact. This does not mean it was first overall because it was not. But to a casual, they might consider it their first and that's fair and easy to understand. That was the gist of the initial point of the thread. I've heard many people say this irl. I correct them (sometimes) but it's not hard to understand their viewpoint or at least it shouldn't be.
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