Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 2 - The Psychology of Fake Claiming

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Enrolled:
1. Ben
2. Blade
3. Chang
4. Corrik
5. Ctes
6. Death
7. FD
8. IGCD
9. Isquen
10. Kirby
11. Knightz
12. Lopen
13. MI
14. Peaf
15. Red
16. Sbell
17. Taco
18. Ulti
19. Wallz

Expelled:

Day One ends Wednesday, May 1 at 6 PM EST, 48 hours from now. With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

red13n posted...

Yes. It is. OMGUS does not make me scum.

It doesn't make you town either.

Combined with the fact that you tried to dress up your countervote as being based on something more than just a countervote. Then almost immediately gave a different justification for it.

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red13n posted...

There wasn't any dipping in and out like you are saying.

You attacked my reasoning so I was providing you the logical REASONS that justified my vote.

Let's take a step all the way back to your first post of the topic:

red13n posted...

Oh this started early and we posted a bit.

I have D&D and dont want to read back during it.

Lets just lynch ##vote: Sbell

The inference? You would be busy with D&D and didn't want to read the topic during your session.

A few minutes later Isquen argues that Sbell might not need to die since he's just gonna get vigi'd.

A few minutes after that you said:

red13n posted...

Lets just kill him now.

So that's two fairly close to each other posts indicating you wanted Sbell dead, with the first indicating that you had or will have D&D and didn't want to be reading the topic back during.

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And hour and a half(ish) later Ulti posts a list of people he thinks are scum, you say:

red13n posted...

These are never right.

Not much else about this other than the fact that it was called "spicy" by some and "not spicy" by others.

Then MI says hello and you say hello back.

red13n posted...

hi i've been around whats up.

Now me, I read that and think "I've been around" being said by the person who said they didn't want to read the topic during their D&D session? To me that means D&D session sounds like it's over. I don't think anything of it right away, but I call attention to it 25~ minutes later when you didn't post anything else. STILL you are gone so 40 minutes later I vote you.

That is ABSOLUTELY "dipping in and out". Don't just say things that are patently false, I can and will find the receipts.

Like you are literally going "rawr i got you going in and out you are scum gotcha." and it is the dumbest thing.

FD it is literally "I have D&D.".

Not "had".

D&D lasts hours. Literally started around when I posted.

It's the entire picture.

It's the OMGUS vote.

It's the poor justification for your own vote.

It's the attacking my vote which WAS justified.

And it's trying to reduce the whole picture to a single part that might be defensible if it was the only thing, but isn't.

It's all of it.

How is the justification poor. Your entire argument is subpar. I think its a fair vote.

Your vote isn't justified in the slightest.

So then I would expect a TOWN red to say "Oh FD, I see where you got confused, when I said I wasn't going to read mafia while in the middle of my session I was lying"
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But no, you said "FD isn't paying attention, he's scum", except I WAS paying attention and I was taking your posts at their word.

Again, how should I know when your game started, or when it ended?

How should I know that you said you weren't going to read mafia while playing D&D, only to pop in later, seemingly caught up while still playing D&D.

The whole thing blew up because you attacked my vote for being poor, but it was more than justified by the timing of your posts and the things that your posts said.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

y "Oh FD, I see where you got confused, when I said I wasn't going to read mafia while in the middle of my session I was lying"
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lol what.

red13n posted...

Your vote isn't justified in the slightest.

Red: "I'm not gonna read the game while session is in progress"

Red: "hi, i've been around"

Red: "LOL HOW COULD YOU THINK I WAS BACK"

That's you.

I didnt even say I wasn't going to read. I said I wasn't going to read back.

red13n posted...

lol what.

I literally could not have been more clear.

Whatever I have to go to bed soon as well. Sorry you rolled scum twice in a row, at least you can't blame getting caught this game on your work schedule though, right?

You are insisting on having a "gotcha" that isn't remotely existing based on things you continue to misread.

red13n posted...

I didnt even say I wasn't going to read. I said I wasn't going to read back.

read back DURING the session.

What the fuck does that mean if it doesn't mean that you WONT be reading the game during your D&D session?

You are just infuriating me now. Goodnight.

read back means read things in the past.

It's not just D&D, it's A PRINCIPLE

Like if I was going to say I wasn't going to read I would have said I wasn't going to read.

Is red town? Who knows.
But does FD think this case on red makes him scum? I feel like he can't possibly.

I know I'm town.

Red do you think fd thinks you're scum?
And if not what is he trying to do?

I think he does because hes either scum or irrationally angry town.

You think he thinks you're scum because he's scum huh

Ignoring the silliness of the idea that scum might think he's scum (funniest slip ever???)

Does red endure this FD tunnel and say "well he's either scum or he's angry town"

I dunno I guess I'm just expecting him to have more?

They know each other, you know?

Lopen posted...

You think he thinks you're scum because he's scum huh

No just odds at this game are hes town regardless of what I think.

So hes either being insincere or being dumb, if you want me to phrase it that way.

Ok but do you have any insight as to why he would be dumb here or why he'd be insincere here and/or which is more likely?

Oh this is a slow game. Only 25 posts...

*sees topic title*

Oh....

Lopen posted...

Ok but do you have any insight as to why he would be dumb here or why he'd be insincere here and/or which is more likely?

Because FD is sometimes irrational. It makes him more likely to be insincere but I wouldn't put odds to it.

And if he's being insincere what's the play?

Sorry if this is annoying I'm just legitimately trying to understand why FD is doing what he's doing because I don't think he thinks you're scum based on what he's presented here.

Can we get sone votals in here?

Lopen posted...

And if he's being insincere what's the play?

Lynch town.

You think if he's being insincere he thinks he can lynch you with that? Truly?

Sure? But at this point scum is mostly just looking for ways to fake activity. It certainly would not be something I would place in a category of productive activity.

That's where I was.

The question for me is if it's more likely he's just trying to actively idle or he's actually upset with you.

Notes so far as I catch up
I agree that Sbells initial responses to Lopen looked suspicious for the "I know he is town" angle.
Town Sbell is engaged yes, but I also expect a certain level of venom from him.
Now he does exhibit said venom towards Blade. But that leads me to my first question of:
Sbell why was Blade's attack on you worse than Lopens?

Aside from that Lopens discussions with Blade are captivating, though I disagree with Lopen that Changmas behaved the same as Wallz

changmas posted...

while i follow the logic here and agree, no town points to wallz for this analysis. I think any of like 15 different players could have said this (it gets said in many games)

I am concerned with finding town, not getting town points. Ulti called me specifically out for not immediately gunning for him (his reasoning was flawed, but nonetheless) and Lopen was tunneling/tunneling Ulti nonstop. Lopen claimed to think I was town. There are reasons I chimed in on Ulti which you neglected to mention.

Ulti usually gets town cleared too easily. I have never fallen into that trap. In Simpsons mafia I was right about Ulti being scum on d2 after I neighbored him but I got talked out of it. I am not saying Im a perfect read on Ulti, but I dont think Ive ever wrongly town cleared him. Usually I suspect the crap out of him until one of us is in the grave. Ulti is so conditioned for this he suspected me for not suspecting him before he even posted

Chang, do you have any town reads besides apparently Ulti? Scum reads? Other people have stated reasons for suspecting me. Some of those reasons are silly but they felt genuine. This post feels like a launching point for you to jump on the mislynch wallz bandwagon if it suits you.

Oh and MI pointed out what I noticed as well, Knightz feels different this game and just like Taco he is rather bloodthirsty.
I cant tell if thats an Among Us holdover tho.

On the other hand I dont really have much problems with that Wallz post everyone keeps mentioning (51, topic 1)
It has an acceptable level of snark for a post thats still near the first page.
I especially dont know why MI calls it Wallz 'inserting himself into the discussion' when Wallz was answering a question posed to everyone.

Though I will add that I myself dont find Sbell at all unlikable enough to warrant such a comment. But thats just me.

undefined posted...

If they hadn't checked in 4 hours ago they weren't going to check in after that. Nothing surprising.

I was mostly just trying to be a smartass and get under Blade's skin. I know he can expertly deflect me and manipulate me, he led bloodborne to a scum win in part by maximizing my stubbornness vs Lopen after all. His play is more substantive sooner than it had been there, since he's not piggy backing off of someone else to lead the charge like he did as scum. But his argument against sbell wasn't really convincing for me. That doesn't make blade scummy, but i don't like how he petered out after the sbell push.

Overall I like this post from Peaf. It feels sincere. But can you elaborate on petering out here? Are you saying you feel he disappeared, or you felt a shift in the content/quality of his posts at a certain point?

htaeD posted...

On the other hand I dont really have much problems with that Wallz post everyone keeps mentioning (51, topic 1)
It has an acceptable level of snark for a post thats still near the first page.
I especially dont know why MI calls it Wallz 'inserting himself into the discussion' when Wallz was answering a question posed to everyone.

I think I know what MI meant but its probably better for them to answer in their own words. It didnt seem scummy to me though.

htaeD posted...

Though I will add that I myself dont find Sbell at all unlikable enough to warrant such a comment. But thats just me.

Theres nothing unlikable about sbell. Ever since I neighbored sbell in your Bloodborne game, were kinda buddies. He and I have been playfully giving each other a hard time over nothing ever since. I dont think any of the players who had an overkill reaction to 1.51 (Blade, MI primarily come to mind) really understand this, which is why I didnt attribute scum motives. It was a joke post barely removed from t1p1 taken far too seriously regardless of Blade and MIs alignment.

Ben is the one player who claimed to pick up scum vibes from me that I would expect to potentially know better when it comes to sbell and I lovingly throwing shade each others way.

Yeah I dont think Blade was in the wrong for attacking post 51, less sure about Ben and MI's attack just confused me. I also expected that MI could have explained it by now (since I am only halfway caught up), but I will wait for MI to answer instead then.

More things I disagree with:
Lopen going after Ben for his first townclear being not like his usual first townclear. Thats not a good argument at all since its easily possible that Ben just didnt have any townreads before Blade who happened to look town to him for reasons that bypassed the need for 'vibes'.

Sbell comes across as too defensive about Blade. I dont get how Blade is 'presuming too much about Sbell, or has too much information'
But its unfortunate that Blade has been gone since page 4 though, since it means I cant exactly explain why I think Blade could have those thoughts as town.
Plus I swear Sbell used these defenses before as town against me in past games. So maybe thats a nultell at worst.
But it still means I think he is wrong about Blade.

Ulti are you overcompensating for last game? You can tell me if thats the case.

I don't even know which post you are talking about.

Oh and explain the Chang thing as well of course. Shouldn't be selfish.

Meanwhile

Isquen posted...

Look, if Sbell is scum, I'm sure he won't survive a day 2 dayvig. Need to keep up with tradition, and all. Meanwhile, stop trying to make streets happen. It isn't going to happen.

This being Isquens first and only substantive post is as confusing as it is alarming. Especially since he disappeared after he said he got off work

UltimaterializerX posted...

Post 42. Let me find the Chang thing.

Ah. Well are you gonna explain the ping?
Because if you think you found a death tell that you want to keep secret, I have to tell you its a useless one.