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nekrodev
04/24/24 12:52:07 PM
#100:


Fenriswolf posted...
So you're admitting that you're basing your judgment on what the Chinese MIGHT do? You do know that if the Chinese really wanted your information, they could legally purchase it from from the various data collection corporations right? But since rich US corporations gets paid it's all good /S

In a rare Biden W, he actually signed stuff in to limit that as well, and again, I don't think that companies here should be collecting or selling our shit either. As I have now said, multiple times.

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bnui_ransder
04/24/24 12:53:56 PM
#102:


They just want in on the money and all of the control

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GiftedACIII
04/24/24 12:56:01 PM
#104:


nekrodev posted...
I mean, all the content that's created isn't necessarily from "us", but the content that we make is undeniably awful often, if not usually. Same w/ reality tv and idiot streamers doing stupid shit out in public, or especially in other countries.

My implication is that, regardless of China's insane restrictions, they know that much of this content is harmful, and wouldn't allow it to be viewed, but they'll gladly serve it to us (especially young people) in all you can eat format.

These are words straight out of a CCP activist's lol.

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MrToothHasYou
04/24/24 12:56:51 PM
#105:


Potentially worth noting that the largest campaign donation contributor to the author of the original TikTok ban bill (which was pretty much copied and pasted into the aid bill as an amendment) was *drumroll please* AIPAC.

Also he announced that he was going to resign from office, but extended his withdrawal date until April 20th specifically so he could vote for this bill, as amended by the House.

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CableZL
04/24/24 12:56:53 PM
#106:


GiftedACIII posted...
These are words straight out of a CCP activist's lol.

Words straight out of a CCP activist's laugh out loud?

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Prismsblade
04/24/24 12:58:36 PM
#107:


LightHawKnight posted...
This is the same thing as the not actually a ban right? The one where they just need to not be owned by a Chinese company that has to let China access all their data if China asks right?
Theyve already moved the severs from china to the US. So this is all about the goverment just inserting a puppet as head to control its content.

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Prestoff
04/24/24 12:59:50 PM
#108:


The shit post side of me wants to say yay, but the reality is the reasoning they're using is very stupid. "National security" when it is known that even American social media apps sends their information over to the government as well.

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Zeeak4444
04/24/24 1:01:31 PM
#109:


divot1338 posted...
You seem really invested in letting China do whatever they want.

Somehow everythjng they do is someone elses fault.

the type of parent to say my kids a good kid, theyd never do that when interviewed about their kid doing that exact thing.

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GiftedACIII
04/24/24 1:02:06 PM
#110:


CableZL posted...
Words straight out of a CCP activist's laugh out loud?

I'm copy pasting my posts from when I had this exact same dialogue in the past. Unfortunately, the site I'm using doesn't support unicode. Since nobody mentioned a typo there I'm going to go with it being a unicode error instead of a simple typo.

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CruelBuffalo
04/24/24 1:02:48 PM
#111:


Prestoff posted...
The shit post side of me wants to say yay, but the reality is the reasoning they're using is very stupid. "National security" when it is known that even American social media apps sends their information over to the government as well.


This. Its basically uptight weirdos saying I dont like when kids do thing! And they bend backward with non genuine reasons for it being banned.
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cjsdowg
04/24/24 1:05:09 PM
#112:


nekrodev posted...
For everyone that doesn't seem to understand how bad TikTok is, here are just a few things -

Tiktok pushing self-harm content via algorithm
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/apr/04/how-tiktoks-algorithm-exploits-the-vulnerability-of-children

One former employee alleging that TikTok user information is not safe from China
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/03/10/tiktok-data-whistleblower-congress-investigators/

Another employee, this time w/ more evidence -
https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/16/24132315/tiktok-bytedance-project-texas-china-silo

TikTok is uniquely awful, even for social media. It's awful in virtually every way, and there's nothing good that it provides that can't be handled by another existing site / app.

It is not uniquely awful. Nazis literally get endorse on Twitter and the racism goes thru the roof. You no why TikTok is the only thing targeted.

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W_S_C_M
04/24/24 1:08:07 PM
#113:


Hardly any experience with TikTok personally.
I've heard it's where some silly/ harmful ideas originate(maybe?) like eating tide pods or cooking chicken in nyquil.
Not that those can't originate on a different platform.

I do have to cringe though when my obese friend says he's going to follow some random guys diet on tiktok to lose weight instead of actually seeking reputable help.

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GiftedACIII
04/24/24 1:09:10 PM
#114:


For the record I do think they should be harsher on enforcing user privacy on every site like the EU did. But sadly it seems they're doing the opposite.

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Smashingpmkns
04/24/24 1:12:30 PM
#115:


Pretty much for every bad thing you can find on TikTok you can find something 1000x worse on Twitter.

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nekrodev
04/24/24 1:12:51 PM
#116:


cjsdowg posted...
It is not uniquely awful. Nazis literally get endorse on Twitter and the racism goes thru the roof. You no why TikTok is the only thing targeted.

That same content is also on TikTok - as well as the issues I've already outlined. TikTok's algorithm and the way it feeds content, especially to young people, is much worse than any other site.

And, as I've said multiple times, I'm not excusing or giving passes to any of the American / non-Chinese companies, they all need to be hit hard as well.

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GrandConjuraton
04/24/24 1:14:25 PM
#117:


Vyrulisse posted...
Slipping unrelated shit into bills like this should be fucking illegal.


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divot1338
04/24/24 1:15:34 PM
#118:


Look by all means form your own opinion on this. Or more likely have Tiktok form it for you.

But regardless of whether you are right, left or center, your elected representatives who are significantly more informed than you agree that this is harmful without making any sort of judgement on whether the app is good or bad.

Which is why it will get spun off by Byte Dance like good little capitalists.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/24/24 1:16:08 PM
#119:


nekrodev posted...
That same content is also on TikTok - as well as the issues I've already outlined. TikTok's algorithm and the way it feeds content, especially to young people, is much worse than any other site.

And, as I've said multiple times, I'm not excusing or giving passes to any of the American / non-Chinese companies, they all need to be hit hard as well.
The problem is that its only and specifically tiktok getting hit.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/24/24 1:17:02 PM
#120:


divot1338 posted...
Look by all means form your own opinion on this. Or more likely have Tiktok form it for you.

But regardless of whether you are right, left or center, your elected representatives who are significantly more informed than you agree that this is harmful without making any sort of judgement on whether the app is good or bad.

Which is why it will get spun off by Byte Dance like good little capitalists.
One of the worst appeals to authority ive ever seen

Maybe tiktok could actually help you form better educated opinions.

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nekrodev
04/24/24 1:17:50 PM
#121:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
The problem is that its only and specifically tiktok getting hit.

I'm sorry, none of the Senators were taking my calls.

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Smashingpmkns
04/24/24 1:18:45 PM
#122:


divot1338 posted...
your elected representatives who are significantly more informed than you
Ahh yes, elected representatives are known to be very knowledgeable about tech.

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CableZL
04/24/24 1:19:44 PM
#123:


divot1338 posted...
Look by all means form your own opinion on this. Or more likely have Tiktok form it for you.

But regardless of whether you are right, left or center, your elected representatives who are significantly more informed than you agree that this is harmful without making any sort of judgement on whether the app is good or bad.

Which is why it will get spun off by Byte Dance like good little capitalists.

We literally have elected representatives who don't understand how government works

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HashtagSEP
04/24/24 1:20:02 PM
#124:


divot1338 posted...
your elected representatives who are significantly more informed than you

So you agree with literally everything elected officials pass? Interesting, didn't know that about you.

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mario2000
04/24/24 1:21:24 PM
#126:


do my elected representatives know what an internet is yet

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ssb_yunglink2
04/24/24 1:21:33 PM
#127:


glad hes getting dunked on for that post lmao


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nekrodev
04/24/24 1:22:11 PM
#128:


mario2000 posted...
do my elected representatives know what an internet is yet

it's a series of tubes

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divot1338
04/24/24 1:22:17 PM
#129:


CableZL posted...
We literally have elected representatives who don't understand how government works
That was mostly a courtesy statement.

Even Republicans can understand the threat when briefed by their staff and national security experts.

Democrats understand basic governance.

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DrizztLink
04/24/24 1:23:46 PM
#130:


divot1338 posted...
That was mostly a courtesy statement.
No, you don't get to dodge the half-dozen people clowning on your dumb post.

Address that before you dig any deeper.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/24/24 1:23:55 PM
#131:


divot1338 posted...
That was mostly a courtesy statement.

Even Republicans can understand the threat when briefed by their staff and national security experts.
Lmao now appealing to the authority above the representatives that you totally werent appealing to in the first post

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CableZL
04/24/24 1:24:55 PM
#132:


divot1338 posted...
That was mostly a courtesy statement.

Even Republicans can understand the threat when briefed by their staff and national security experts.

Democrats understand basic governance.

Republicans supported January 6th. They don't give a shit about national security or even their own security, or the security of their staff. The vast majority of the ones who claimed didn't bowed down to those responsible in the days and weeks afterward any way. They were all running from people who were shouting "hang Mike pence" and beating the shit out of police officers for hours and then turning around and acting like none of that happened.

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Deyestus
04/24/24 1:25:27 PM
#133:


It won't stop, stop
With the TikToK
It won't stop, stop
With the TikToK

In all seriousness...this is bad, and I don't like the precedent this sets.

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Murphiroth
04/24/24 1:25:44 PM
#135:


divot1338 posted...
Even Republicans can understand the threat when briefed by their staff and national security experts.


Citation needed, because from everything we've seen and heard in the last decade or so this is patently false.
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GiftedACIII
04/24/24 1:26:03 PM
#136:


divot1338 posted...
That was mostly a courtesy statement.

Even Republicans can understand the threat when briefed by their staff and national security experts.

Democrats understand basic governance.

Is that why far more Republicans voted for the bill than Democrats with most of the younger reps opposing it?

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ssb_yunglink2
04/24/24 1:27:21 PM
#137:


DrizztLink posted...
No, you don't get to dodge the half-dozen people clowning on your dumb post.

Address that before you dig any deeper.
Clearly hes not trying to argue in good faith at this point lol


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mario2000
04/24/24 1:27:58 PM
#138:


republicans can only understand a "threat" if a trans person or migrant is involved

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divot1338
04/24/24 1:28:21 PM
#139:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Lmao now appealing to the authority above the representatives that you totally werent appealing to in the first post
No even Republicans in Congress can connect the dots. At a much lower rate than their Democratic colleagues but theres no reason to say the rude part unless you make me.

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DarthAragorn
04/24/24 1:28:27 PM
#140:


divot1338 posted...
your elected representatives who are significantly more informed than you
lmfao

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Murphiroth
04/24/24 1:29:29 PM
#141:


divot1338 posted...
No even Republicans in Congress can connect the dots.

Nope.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/24/24 1:29:37 PM
#142:


divot1338 posted...
No even Republicans in Congress can connect the dots. At a much lower rate than their Democratic colleagues but theres no reason to say the rude part unless you make me.
Have absolutely no clue what youre attempting to argue at this point


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CableZL
04/24/24 1:30:20 PM
#143:


divot1338 posted...
No even Republicans in Congress can connect the dots.

Republicans connecting dots is how we got Roe v Wade overturned because they don't want people to have abortions after birth. And 10 year old rape victims being forced to travel to different states to have abortions. And women being forced to give birth to non-viable fetuses. And women getting prosecuted for having miscarriages. And January 6th. And Dominion and Smartmatic getting defamed to hell and back. And Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss having their entire lives destroyed based on bullshit. And people trying to storm vote counting centers based on bullshit. And thousands people committing crimes on Donald Trump's behalf and being sent to prison.

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DarthAragorn
04/24/24 1:30:30 PM
#144:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Have absolutely no clue what youre attempting to argue at this point
I think he's trying to imply that anyone that doesn't want tiktok banned is a big dummypants moron and even republicans are smarter than them.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/24/24 1:37:16 PM
#146:


DarthAragorn posted...
I think he's trying to imply that anyone that doesn't want tiktok banned is a big dummypants moron and even republicans are smarter than them.
lmao yeah I think youre right

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Gwynevere
04/24/24 1:45:13 PM
#147:


divot1338 posted...
your elected representatives who are significantly more informed than you
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Payzmaykr
04/24/24 1:46:12 PM
#148:


The time to ban tiktok was during the pandemic. It quickly turned into lets film public service workers and humiliate them online without getting their permission! It literally made people not want to work over here and thats when they should have done away with it.
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mario2000
04/24/24 1:49:24 PM
#149:


I hate TikTok because it's dumb and annoying but the government should not have the power to ban entire platforms.

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