Current Events > Congress passes TikTok ban bill

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Reimu posted...

We can tell who gets their news from Fox News and their mindset is just bizarre and unhealthy from being told what to think.

And there it is

I hate Fox news and it needs even stricter regulation since it's just damage control for American fascism

Rexdragon125 posted...

Social media like TikTok does need some sort of regulation. You can tell who on CE gets all their news from TikTok and their mindset is just bizarre and unhealthy from being told what to think

Yeah getting news from places like Fox or fucking Newsmax is way better, right?

Byte dance will sell, and nothing will happen

Dark_twisted posted...

Reminder that Microsoft was having discussions whether to acquire TikTok 4 years ago

kinda like that search engine company that could have bought google before it became big

or blockbuster loling at Netflix offering to sell to them

Rexdragon125 posted...

And there it is

I hate Fox news and it needs even stricter regulation since it's just damage control for American fascism

So what would be allowable under your regulations?

So, what happens if the 100% American company that buys TikTok willingly chooses to continue sending the data off to the Chinese, without a legal requirement to do so (where before, it had to because the company was Chinese-owned), but instead because the Chinese government is now outright paying them for it?

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This. TikTok is the scapegoat, meanwhile platforms like Twitter are just allowed to run rampant with actual Neo-Nazis with virtually no oversight.

I like how the Jack-Ass generation says the ban is good because TikTok shows their kids brain dead content.

Trump is jumping on this already. When his evil ass said years ago he wanted to do it. So Biden is doing what Trump wanted to do, and having Trump attack him for it. Democrats are great at what they do .

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Fenriswolf posted...

So provide evidence that Tiktok is actually engaging in espionage. Oh wait you can't, you just blindly believe politicians who doesn't even know whether Tiktok works over wi-fi.

So I've been in the chip industry and China has something before. They at one point placed a triple layer chip on a CPU for espionage.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

There is currently a trade war with China with the US. It started with Trump of all people. Probably further than that.

The headlines calling this a ban is kinda annoying. Just pure clickbait

cjsdowg posted...

Trump is jumping on this already. When his evil ass said years ago he wanted to do it. So Biden is doing what Trump wanted to do, and having Trump attack him for it. Democrats are great at what they do .

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No fucking way

Even the most staunch trump supporters should be able to see through this blatant flip-flop. Like it almost reads as parody considering almost every older conservative i know thinks Tiktok is basically Satan.

I almost want to think its fake because of how how bizarre this reads

ClayGuida posted...

"Contract your local Congressperson if you want something"
"No, not like that!"

Ban the shit that teaches young adults civics!

Not young adults.

There were seven year olds calling Congress in tears.

That might be a little too young to be engaging in foreign diplomacy.

divot1338 posted...

Not young adults.

There were seven year olds calling Congress in tears.

That might be a little too young to be engaging in foreign diplomacy.

Why are 7 year old children using tiktok without any parental supervision in the first place

People will really just not parent their children and then blame everything but themselves

radical_rhino posted...

Its a politically smart move to package it with foreign aid. Now politicians wont have to take as much blame from their TikTok-addicted constituents who care more about their dumb 30 second videos than national security concerns.

No its flat out of exploiting flaws in our congressional system. Basically you are forced to pass a law or you be branded as a bad guy.

This is super messed up way to ban tik-tok.

Everything else they can't get bipartisan support on because they don't genuinely want to do SHIT for the people.

But when an app sheds like on the bullshit they've been peddling us for decades over Palestine and they couldn't have moved any faster to kill that.

The internet is great. It's amazing. It blows the lid off the illusions we've been sold to keep us compliant. Tik Tok is an extension of that.

This will likely incense the youth to vote even harder, too. But what's the point when this ban supersedes party lines? It was about what the military industrial complex wanted, and THAT runs this country.

For everyone that doesn't seem to understand how bad TikTok is, here are just a few things -

Tiktok pushing self-harm content via algorithm
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/apr/04/how-tiktoks-algorithm-exploits-the-vulnerability-of-children

One former employee alleging that TikTok user information is not safe from China
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/03/10/tiktok-data-whistleblower-congress-investigators/

Another employee, this time w/ more evidence -
https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/16/24132315/tiktok-bytedance-project-texas-china-silo

TikTok is uniquely awful, even for social media. It's awful in virtually every way, and there's nothing good that it provides that can't be handled by another existing site / app.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

So what would be allowable under your regulations?

Places that can objectively validate their sources as grounded in reality. Honestly I could start a class on media literacy, everyone needs it

It's also worth noting that TikTok, itself, is not available in China. They have a completely different app, and my understanding is that the content is much more heavily moderated (which makes sense)

nekrodev posted...

For everyone that doesn't seem to understand how bad TikTok is, here are just a few things -

Tiktok pushing self-harm content via algorithm
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/apr/04/how-tiktoks-algorithm-exploits-the-vulnerability-of-children

One former employee alleging that TikTok user information is not safe from China
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/03/10/tiktok-data-whistleblower-congress-investigators/

Another employee, this time w/ more evidence -
https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/16/24132315/tiktok-bytedance-project-texas-china-silo

TikTok is uniquely awful, even for social media. It's awful in virtually every way, and there's nothing good that it provides that can't be handled by another existing site / app.

self harm/mental health triggering content is absolutely not a tiktok exclusive problem, and basically every app youve ever downloaded is actively siphoning your user information.

Thats my problem with the way supporters of this bill portray it, as if other apps are somehow free from these things.

Good riddance. Rotting the brains of the youth. Now do Instagram and other social media next.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Why are 7 year old children using tiktok without any parental supervision in the first place

People will really just not parent their children and then blame everything but themselves

You seem really invested in letting China do whatever they want.

Somehow everythjng they do is someone elses fault.

nekrodev posted...

For everyone that doesn't seem to understand how bad TikTok is, here are just a few things -

Tiktok pushing self-harm content via algorithm
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/apr/04/how-tiktoks-algorithm-exploits-the-vulnerability-of-children

One former employee alleging that TikTok user information is not safe from China
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/03/10/tiktok-data-whistleblower-congress-investigators/

Another employee, this time w/ more evidence -
https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/16/24132315/tiktok-bytedance-project-texas-china-silo

TikTok is uniquely awful, even for social media. It's awful in virtually every way, and there's nothing good that it provides that can't be handled by another existing site / app.

LMAO you're trying to attribute to malice to what is better explained by ignorance. As if Youtube doesn't have its own share of extremist content being delivered by algorithms. And remember Elsagate? But of course since the platform is owned by good ol' Americans it's all good.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/curiosity/news/youtube-video-recommendations-lead-more-extremist-content-right-leaning-users-researchers

divot1338 posted...

You seem really invested in letting China do whatever they want.

Somehow everythjng they do is someone elses fault.

You seem really invested in blaming every one of your country's social problems on China.

divot1338 posted...

You seem really invested in letting China do whatever they want.

Somehow everythjng they do is someone elses fault.

lmao dude. You want to blame China for a child watching political videos under 0 supervision.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

lmao dude. You want to blame China for a child watching political videos under 0 supervision.

Close.

I want to blame China for pushing political ads and accompanying instructions to a minor.

If I did the second half of that Id be arrested.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

self harm/mental health triggering content is absolutely not a tiktok exclusive problem, and basically every app youve ever downloaded is actively siphoning your user information.

Thats my problem with the way supporters of this bill portray it, as if other apps are somehow free from these things.

Way to ignore the other issues, even if you don't think THIS is as big of a deal.

Fenriswolf posted...

LMAO you're trying to attribute to malice to what is better explained by ignorance. As if Youtube doesn't have its own share of extremist content being delivered by algorithms. And remember Elsagate? But of course since the platform is owned by good ol' Americans it's all good.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/curiosity/news/youtube-video-recommendations-lead-more-extremist-content-right-leaning-users-researchers

Someone else ignoring the rest of the post, no surprise. Also, I've already stated that other social media needs to be regulated much more.

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nekrodev posted...

tbh, it should've been a total ban, no workarounds, and also they should crack down massively on all tech companies shady algorithms and data collection.

but that won't happen, so

divot1338 posted...

Close.

I want to blame Chkna for pushing political ads and accompanying instructions to a minor.

If I did the second half of that Id be arrested.

????

Bruh what are you even talking about? Do you think Prager U should be in prison for showing ads on youtube to potential minors

nekrodev posted...

Way to ignore the other issues, even if you don't think THIS is as big of a deal.

Someone else ignoring the rest of the post, no surprise. Also, I've already stated that other social media needs to be regulated much more.

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What did i ignore from that post?

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nekrodev posted...

It's also worth noting that TikTok, itself, is not available in China. They have a completely different app, and my understanding is that the content is much more heavily moderated (which makes sense)

What I find especially funny about posts like this is that if China is banning the things shown on TikTok and showing their own version to themselves not only does that imply the things on TikTok are entirely of our own, people don't even realize that they're the ones praising China's propaganda to their citizens.

divot1338 posted...

Close.

I want to blame China for pushing political ads and accompanying instructions to a minor.

If I did the second half of that Id be arrested.

This is normal. Wikipedia and Google did the same to get people to combat SOPA back when corporate techbros had souls. Your Fox News are doing the same to you.

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Its really a trade reciprocity issue more than anything.

Ill post again the list of all American media companies allowed to operate in China.

Im done.

Real brain genius stuff to ban a popular platform in such a way that it can continue to be used to criticize you for banning it all the way up through election day.

divot1338 posted...

Close.

I want to blame China for pushing political ads and accompanying instructions to a minor.

If I did the second half of that Id be arrested.

Tiktok has every right to defend itself by asking their users to contact their congressmen. The fact that some minors are using the app unsupervised is completely the fault of their parents, but of course scumbag politicians are pretending that ONLY underage kids are contacting them to distract from the fact that many adults have legitimate concerns about the legislation. And ironically, the same politicians want to have their cake and eat it too, trying to ban Tiktok on one hand while campaigning on Tiktok on the other.

If you were really worried about what Donald Trump could do with a second term, it seems like a bad idea to set the precedent that a social media platform can be banned for vague "national security" concerns. Really think about how this approach might be used in the future.

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Ive seen multiple saying shit like China has their firewall why shouldnt the US have one

Like guys we DONT WANT TO BECOME CHINA

Everyday we stray further from a Star Trek utopia and into the mirror universe.

Do Twitter next

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

What did i ignore from that post?

My b, I think I had a brain fart after reading other dudes post and scrolled back up and thought you'd glossed over it, too. That said, all the data collection is bad, and if it's being done intentionally by China, rather than for the usual advertising crap here, that's potentially worse. There are other issues, as well, but those two alone are deal breakers for me.

GiftedACIII posted...

What I find especially funny about posts like this is that if China is banning the things shown on TikTok and showing their own version to themselves not only does that imply the things on TikTok are entirely of our own, people don't even realize that they're the ones praising China's propaganda to their citizens.

I mean, all the content that's created isn't necessarily from "us", but the content that we make is undeniably awful often, if not usually. Same w/ reality tv and idiot streamers doing stupid shit out in public, or especially in other countries.

My implication is that, regardless of China's insane restrictions, they know that much of this content is harmful, and wouldn't allow it to be viewed, but they'll gladly serve it to us (especially young people) in all you can eat format.

So it's fine if they steal and use data if an american or european company does it I am assuming, right?

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What kind of regulations do people have in mind?

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I've noticed quite a few so-called leftists unironically supporting the bill, believing that it somehow only targets Republicans with Russian ties. Reminds me of all those who supported the Patriot Act back in the day believing that only terrorists would have anything to fear.

nekrodev posted...

My b, I think I had a brain fart after reading other dudes post and scrolled back up and thought you'd glossed over it, too. That said, all the data collection is bad, and if it's being done intentionally by China, rather than for the usual advertising crap here, that's potentially worse. There are other issues, as well, but those two alone are deal breakers for me.

So you're admitting that you're basing your judgment on what the Chinese MIGHT do? You do know that if the Chinese really wanted your information, they could legally purchase it from from the various data collection corporations right? But since rich US corporations gets paid it's all good /S

Funkydog posted...

So it's fine if they steal and use data if an american or european company does it I am assuming, right?

No. It's just, arguably or potentially, worse if it's a foreign country. It's also worse when our government does it than when Facebook does it just to sell to advertisers or whatever. And it's still ALL BAD.

divot1338 posted...

Its really a trade reciprocity issue more than anything.

Ill post again the list of all American media companies allowed to operate in China.

Im done.

Oh yeah, China bad, we should definitely be exactly like them, that will show them.