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CRON
04/14/24 7:42:42 PM
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I'm finally at the point where outside of Photoshop I can use Linux for anything including 99.9% of my games. It's insane how much things have improved in just a few short years.

With W11 getting worse and W12 shaping up to be a complete mess I wouldn't be surprised if more people jumped on the Linux train.

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Trumble
04/14/24 7:46:52 PM
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I'm one of those "I'd like to switch but I'm not ready yet" types. I can use Linux, I've run Linux VMs for various things and sometimes had Linux on my secondary PCs, but yeah... Just not quite ready to make the jump for my main one.

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MarthGoomba
04/14/24 7:49:42 PM
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I went back to Windows because an nVidia driver update screwed everything up

Want to go back after my next GPU upgrade

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RetuenOfDevsman
04/14/24 7:51:38 PM
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I use both Windows and Linux.

They're both fine.

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Tyranthraxus
04/14/24 7:54:16 PM
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Trumble posted...
I'm one of those "I'd like to switch but I'm not ready yet" types. I can use Linux, I've run Linux VMs for various things and sometimes had Linux on my secondary PCs, but yeah... Just not quite ready to make the jump for my main one.
Start by using WSL for everything so you can try out different distros and if you're ever bothered by what you installed you can just delete it and try a new one takes like 10 minutes.

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Trumble
04/14/24 11:53:42 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Start by using WSL for everything so you can try out different distros and if you're ever bothered by what you installed you can just delete it and try a new one takes like 10 minutes.
At any rate it's gonna have to wait until my PC is up and running again (got spicy pillowed and won't run without a battery). Already installed a lot of my stuff on my gf's PC (Visual Studio etc), not gonna install a whole ass other OS.

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Anteaterking
04/14/24 11:58:53 PM
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I use Linux at work a ton but at home not so much.

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Tyranthraxus
04/14/24 11:59:51 PM
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Trumble posted...
At any rate it's gonna have to wait until my PC is up and running again (got spicy pillowed and won't run without a battery). Already installed a lot of my stuff on my gf's PC (Visual Studio etc), not gonna install a whole ass other OS.

That's why you use WSL so you can run Linux without needing to wipe or dual boot.

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dur
04/15/24 12:13:17 AM
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Yes. I have been using Linux in various capacities going back about 20 years. I've run it exclusively on my main laptop since about 2007.

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Trumble
04/15/24 12:14:15 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
That's why you use WSL so you can run Linux without needing to wipe or dual boot.
Is that gonna be any better than a VM?

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VeggetaX
04/15/24 12:18:17 AM
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Our Oracle Databases are hosted on Linux Red Hat VM servers so barely ever use Linux unless updates and patches are needed done on the servers and not through console SQL connections

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PraetorXyn
04/15/24 12:19:07 AM
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That depends. My NAS runs it, I develop on it at work (though the VM is RHEL 8 unfortunately), Im currently trying to plan out a bigger badder DIY NAS build for TrueNAS Scale and ZFS, plus Im deciding on what mini-PC / appliance I want to buy for a Proxmox box so I can spin up a Debian VM for all my Docker containers and move them there off my NAS. Im debating on virtualizing Opnsense or buying a second box for that.

All that being said, my desktop runs Windows mostly because of modding, as I cant be arsed to setup the WINE bottles for mod managers, save editors, etc., and there is some Windows only software I use.

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Tyranthraxus
04/15/24 12:20:05 AM
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Trumble posted...
Is that gonna be any better than a VM?

WSL2 is a VM. WSL1 uses wrappers to pass Linux commands directly to the Windows kernel. Not sure what, if any performance differences there are.

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Trumble
04/15/24 12:31:44 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
WSL2 is a VM. WSL1 uses wrappers to pass Linux commands directly to the Windows kernel. Not sure what, if any performance differences there are.
Last time I used a Linux VM was to try compiling Loap (open source Lemmings 3D clone) for Linux. Compiled fine, but performance was awful presumably due to the VM not giving full access to the GPU.

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PraetorXyn
04/15/24 12:49:43 AM
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Trumble posted...
Last time I used a Linux VM was to try compiling Loap (open source Lemmings 3D clone) for Linux. Compiled fine, but performance was awful presumably due to the VM not giving full access to the GPU.
Proxmox / KVM will let you do hardware passthrough to solve that among other problems, but I dont know about WSL.

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STEROLIZER
04/15/24 12:52:09 AM
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What is a Linux
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FL81
04/15/24 1:34:43 AM
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I haven't really dived deep into Wine/Proton myself, but uhhh if not for games I wouldn't even still have Windows at all

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PraetorXyn
04/15/24 9:51:18 AM
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FL81 posted...
I haven't really dived deep into Wine/Proton myself, but uhhh if not for games I wouldn't even still have Windows at all
Theres no real diving. You basically just enable Steam Play in settings, then just use Steam like normal, and most games should just work. The main ones that dont are online games with some form of anti-cheat, as these often interpret being ran through DXVK / Proton as cheating.

The diving is installing like GloriousEggroll builds of Protom and switching to those to see if they give you better performance, but I think theres like a Proton Manager app or something to do that for you.

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Rika_Furude
04/15/24 10:00:30 AM
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i kinda wanna switch to linux, but, i game too often and linux isn't good enough for gaming yet IMO.
theres been a lot of progress, but not enough

i can spin up any distro in a VM or use WSL, but if I'm not immersed and using it as my daily driver, theres no point since it will just be aimless exploration and ill forget everything
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CRON
04/15/24 10:06:14 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
i kinda wanna switch to linux, but, i game too often and linux isn't good enough for gaming yet IMO.
theres been a lot of progress, but not enough

i can spin up any distro in a VM or use WSL, but if I'm not immersed and using it as my daily driver, theres no point since it will just be aimless exploration and ill forget everything
I haven't had any issues with gaming as of recent. When you install Proton-GE, everything on Steam just works. There's also Heroic which serves as a GOG/Epic Games launcher. I've noticed emulators run better, too. I've been playing a lot of Starfield and ESO and they run just as well as they do on Windows.

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Lonestar2000
04/15/24 10:13:00 AM
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CRON posted...
I haven't had any issues with gaming as of recent. When you install Proton-GE, everything on Steam just works. There's also Heroic which serves as a GOG/Epic Games launcher. I've noticed emulators run better, too. I've been playing a lot of Starfield and ESO and they run just as well as they do on Windows.
How does it handle heavily-modded Bethesda games?

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CRON
04/15/24 10:18:01 AM
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Lonestar2000 posted...
How does it handle heavily-modded Bethesda games?
Works for me. Getting ModOrganizer 2 set up is a slightly time consuming (one-time only) task that involves copying and pasting terminal commands from a Github page but I have a very heavily modded Skyrim SE installation where everything just works. The same goes for Fallout games. If you play Morrowind there's OpenMW which runs 100% fine and is superior to playing the game's official release.

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FL81
04/15/24 10:21:02 AM
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Lonestar2000 posted...
How does it handle heavily-modded Bethesda games?
Can't speak for Bethesda games, but mod support for Linux can be weird

Like on Civilization V for example, a number of Windows-compatible mods just don't work specifically because Linux handles case-sensitivity in file names very differently

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Rika_Furude
04/15/24 10:23:18 AM
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CRON posted...
I haven't had any issues with gaming as of recent. When you install Proton-GE, everything on Steam just works. There's also Heroic which serves as a GOG/Epic Games launcher. I've noticed emulators run better, too. I've been playing a lot of Starfield and ESO and they run just as well as they do on Windows.
I've heard of things like people getting banned in some online games cause some DRM for the game didn't work properly in Linux and things of that nature. Along with the software around gaming not working the best, although I admit I haven't actually tried with my setup. I mostly just don't want to spend a whole lot of time getting stuff to work
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CRON
04/15/24 10:27:02 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
I've heard of things like people getting banned in some online games cause some DRM for the game didn't work properly in Linux and things of that nature. Along with the software around gaming not working the best, although I admit I haven't actually tried with my setup. I mostly just don't want to spend a whole lot of time getting stuff to work
You can search any game on ProtonDB and you can thoroughly find out how well certain games work. There are noob-friendly distros (OS's) that don't require a lot of work. Some are even tailored for gaming and have a lot of useful things preinstalled.

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The_Nintendo_Master
04/15/24 10:29:07 AM
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I'm switching to Linux for my next PC, looking forward to it.
Been hoping I can get familiar enough with Gimp or some other software to not have to fall back to Photoshop, as my license for it probably can't even be activated anymore and it's on an aging laptop and ain't no way I'm paying for that saascrap version of Photoshop.

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UndefeatedGOAT
04/15/24 10:32:46 AM
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I support red hat servers
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Charged151
04/15/24 10:51:42 AM
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Switched to Linux about a year ago. Specifically a de-snaped Kubuntu. Gaming works fine for every game I have played.

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teep_
04/15/24 11:04:15 AM
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Anteaterking posted...
I use Linux at work a ton but at home not so much.


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VeggetaX
04/15/24 11:36:24 AM
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I'm going to be doing a full database export which will take about 2 hours tonight. Normally I would do these exports via some console command from my PC but since it will take 2 hours I'm going to instead do it straight from the Linux VM server that way if anything happens to my computer locally the backup will still run on the Linux VM. Gonna be fun.

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RasterGraphic
04/15/24 11:57:16 AM
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I'm full-on "Stallman was right".

I only use Windows when I have to.

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Lobinde
04/15/24 12:07:37 PM
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I've been linux only (outside of work) for the last two years now.

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Lillymon
04/15/24 12:12:44 PM
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Switched from Windows to Ubuntu back in 2006 when I didn't like how Windows Vista was shaping up. Then switched from Ubuntu to Debian in 2009 and have stayed with it ever since.

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VeggetaX
04/15/24 6:49:32 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
I'm going to be doing a full database export which will take about 2 hours tonight. Normally I would do these exports via some console command from my PC but since it will take 2 hours I'm going to instead do it straight from the Linux VM server that way if anything happens to my computer locally the backup will still run on the Linux VM. Gonna be fun.
Just got done. This is all I did on Red Hat Linux.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5ad746e1.jpg

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Charged151
04/15/24 10:17:00 PM
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All the Linux help topics assume Debian commands. Just makes things easier IMO. I've tried both.

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PraetorXyn
04/15/24 10:28:19 PM
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For servers, yes. For desktops, I prefer Arch based.

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PowerMan5000000
04/15/24 10:29:04 PM
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Might switch since Windows 11 will have ads

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MacadamianNut3
04/15/24 10:32:06 PM
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Only Linux distro I've used that wasn't just for turning in homework (Red Hat) is Ubuntu and that's been almost daily since 2012. On my gaming PC, I have 6 drives and 2 of them are for a Ubuntu 20.04 dual boot. Living room PC (old gaming PC) is Ubuntu 22.04. Work computers all have Ubuntu 20.04 on them

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FL81
04/16/24 2:45:45 AM
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Luxor
04/16/24 2:49:01 AM
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I use Mint sometimes, or my $30 Chromebook from eBay. Haven't had a Windows PC in almost 10 years.

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Zwijn
04/16/24 2:50:21 AM
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I tried Elementary for a bit but it was too much hassle. Was really into building PCs and having total control over your OS as a teen but now I just want simple shit that works, if mobile had better support I wouldnt even own a PC anymore. Sorry teen-self, I betrayed your principles.
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Starks
04/16/24 3:01:11 AM
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I still play around with Endeavour and Arch but WSL solves a lot of issues for me without dual booting.

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CRON
04/16/24 11:27:44 AM
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VeggetaX posted...
Just got done. This is all I did on Red Hat Linux.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5ad746e1.jpg
MATE/GNOME 2 is still the GOAT desktop environment

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dur
04/16/24 2:14:25 PM
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xfce gang represent

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DaxNovalis
04/16/24 2:21:39 PM
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PraetorXyn posted...
Theres no real diving. You basically just enable Steam Play in settings, then just use Steam like normal, and most games should just work. The main ones that dont are online games with some form of anti-cheat, as these often interpret being ran through DXVK / Proton as cheating.

The diving is installing like GloriousEggroll builds of Protom and switching to those to see if they give you better performance, but I think theres like a Proton Manager app or something to do that for you.
How about mods? Are they easy to install and manage? I love modding games on PC, so that would be a big one for me.
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PraetorXyn
04/16/24 2:34:53 PM
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DaxNovalis posted...
How about mods? Are they easy to install and manage? I love modding games on PC, so that would be a big one for me.
Therein lies the rub, and it's the main reason I don't run Linux on my gaming PC.

The games themselves basically work fine. It's all the stuff around gaming that's a hassle. You can get mod managers, save editors, cheat engines, trainers, etc., to work on Linux, but Steam isn't going to just handle it for you. Often that means setting up WINE bottles manually. For the Vortex mod manager, I think if you want the "install using mod manager" links to work, you have to create a MIME type association to teach it to redirect those links to your Vortex running through WINE, but it is possible. Granted, this is real first world problems, as before mod managers we had to install mods manually and that's no harder on Linux than it is on Windows.

I have heard that Mod Organizer (the best one to use for Bethesda games) is problematic and may not fully work, but I've never attempted it.

You can find tutorials for all this, and once you have it setup stuff should mostly just work, but I can't be arsed. So I run Windows on my desktop, and Linux on most everything else (though I do have an old MacBook Air running macOS as my only personal laptop that basically collects dust).

There are other edge cases where you will have problems. For example, the HDMI consortium basically won't allow high refresh rates over HDMI on Linux because that relies on their proprietary crap. Also, if you pay for the 4K plan from Netflix, nothing really tells you that you'll only get 4K on Windows using Chromium browsers because of DRM:
https://youtu.be/o4GZUCwVRLs?si=ztMuIGiuyRu9yFdN

So if you're going to build a HTPC or build a gaming PC and connect it to your TV, you may want to consider Windows for those reasons, though I think a Linux PC connected to the TV with DisplayPort and a DisplayPort to HDMI adapter will do high refresh rates just fine if memory serves.

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CRON
04/16/24 3:06:41 PM
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PraetorXyn posted...
I have heard that Mod Organizer (the best one to use for Bethesda games) is problematic and may not fully work, but I've never attempted it.
Mod Organizer 2 works flawlessly for me. You just need to copy a few tedious console commands which allow a game to launch MO2 when launched via Steam, and then you can do whatever you want. I have Skyrim, New Vegas and Fallout 4 modded and everything works fine.

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PraetorXyn
04/16/24 3:17:54 PM
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CRON posted...
Mod Organizer 2 works flawlessly for me. You just need to copy a few tedious console commands which allow a game to launch MO2 when launched via Steam, and then you can do whatever you want. I have Skyrim, New Vegas and Fallout 4 modded and everything works fine.
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