Current Events > Isn't it crazy we're at the point where people are actively cheering on Iran

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Tyranthraxus posted...

How many Israelis do you think are cheering for Iran to attack their country? Since that's what we're discussing here.

Israel attacked them as well. Any country is going to retaliate if capable-regardless of right/wrong

Thats almost a Physical law.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Not really, people often cheer regimes they hate being struck. You see a similar thing with Russia

Well you see when Russia is struck the Ukrainians are targeting evil military targets. Meanwhile Iran over here is launching their drones and missiles at those innocent airbases and military outposts that never harmed anybody!

Fenriswolf posted...

Meanwhile the US far right are routinely calling for the destruction of Gaza and *crickets*

Except you know literally everyone on this board pleading for people to vote for exactly this reason

MarcyWarcy posted... really scary how every day i seem to see one more person i generally considered to be overall ok on here revealing they're perfectly fine with brown people being massacred as long as democrats tell them they shouldnt worry about it

Really scary how the left has been brainwashed into seeing Israel/Palestine as a conflict between "white colonizers" and "brown people".
The US Census considers all of the Middle East to be "white", and Israelis have just as long a residence and claim to the region as Palestinians do.
Many don't agree with the official Census categorization, and that's fine. I'm just pointing out that....if one of the two groups is "brown", then both are.
The rhetoric is blatantly racist and hate speech, but is allowed and endorsed by Western institutions.

https://www.thecrimson.com/column/dining-on-sacred-cow/article/2012/11/16/Lispon-Israel-race/

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/17/1079181478/us-census-middle-eastern-white-north-african-mena

Kradek posted...

Not cheering them on, however as Israel would say "they have a right to defend themselves". I just hope Iran's interpretation of that statement isn't the same as Israel's, cause I'm not down to see 33k dead Israelis.

Fucking disgusting post.
Also, Palestinians are Iranians now?

Pogo_Marimo posted...

This is a shockingly myopic view of the proxy war that's been orchestrated by Iran for the last two decades.

In a broad sense, there are two types of nations in the Middle East. Stable nations with functional economies who collaborate with the international community. This is your Saudi Arabias, Israels, Iraqs, Qatars, Omans, ect.

Then there are you broken states run by fundamentalist military juntas or terrorist organizations. They have nearly non-existant economies and their only significant interactions with the international communities is exporting raw resources and taking international aid. This is your Yemens, Syrias, Jordans, ect.

Essentially every stable country hates Iran, and every broken country works with Iran. This is because Iran has been funnelling tons of weapons, ammo, and military advisors into the hands of the absolute worst actors in basically every cobflict zone in the Middle East, including Hezbollah and Hamas, which is directly relevant to Israel. Iran is an enemy to stability and peace in the region. There is simply no other way to put it.

Iran has essentially been firing rockets into Israel for literal decades now. Think of all the Israeli deaths that Iran is directly responsible for over the years. If there was no Iran, there would be no massive Hamas terrorist attack. They would not have had the weapons and training necessary to embolden them so, and the likely explicit backing of Iran behind the scenes. While I fundamentally disagree with Israel's approach to Palestine, it is utterly absurd and hypocritical to look at this situation and say "Well, Israel should have just not provoked Iran!"

Great post, though Jordan belongs in the former group.

Bio1590 posted...

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2024/04/09/dearborn-mayor-rejects-death-to-america-chants-at-protest/73254682007/

Totally normal people

Man, I just don't understand why Biden won't capitulate to their demands and beg for their votes! /s

BadKarma_JT posted...

The ideal scenario would be for both sides to wipe each other out. There is no room for religious fanatic nations. It's also the only scenario that secures long term peace in the region, let it escalate amongst themselves.

What the fuck?!

streamofthesky posted...

Really scary how the left has been brainwashed into seeing Israel/Palestine as a conflict between "white colonizers" and "brown people".
The US Census considers all of the Middle East to be "white", and Israelis have just as long a residence and claim to the region as Palestinians do.
Many don't agree with the official Census categorization, and that's fine. I'm just pointing out that....if one of the two groups is "brown", then both are.
The rhetoric is blatantly racist and hate speech, but is allowed and endorsed by Western institutions.

So are you denying the fact that Israeli settlers has for decades been stealing Palestinian land in violation of international law? That's the very definition of colonialism.

Man, I just don't understand why Biden won't capitulate to their demands and beg for their votes! /s

Of course anyone who dares to speak out about US involvement in Israeli atrocities secretly support Iran /S

You remind me of those neocons accusing anti-Iraq War protesters of supporting Saddam Hussein and hating Kurds.

streamofthesky posted...

Fucking disgusting post.
Also, Palestinians are Iranians now?

What does "Palestinians are Iranians now?" even mean? That you support Iranians being wantonly murdered because they're not Palestinians? Cause that wouldn't make sense as I know you don't give a shit about dead Palestinians.

Your constant apologism for Israel and its war crimes is what's fucking disgusting.

I literally said I hope they don't consider "the right to defend themselves" the same as Israel, which is murdering 33k people rather indiscriminately, the vast majority of which are civilians.

If you disagree with my post then I guess that means that you hope 33k Israelis are killed?

But hey, you keep excusing and justifying Israeli war crimes, seems to be what you love doing most these days.

Also, I guess Iran doesn't have a right to defend itself? Does anybody have a right to defend themselves against Israel's war crimes, or is everything they do excusable and justified to your sick and twisted mind?

They killed people in a consulate which is protected by the Geneva convention. That's a blatant war crime. Iran retaliated, advertised they were doing so which gave Israel a heads up and didn't even kill any Israelis, so your post just demonstrates the kind of person you are.

Fenriswolf posted...

So are you denying the fact that Israeli settlers has for decades been stealing Palestinian land in violation of international law? That's the very definition of colonialism.

Of course anyone who dares to speak out about US involvement in Israeli atrocities secretly support Iran /S

You remind me of those neocons accusing anti-Iraq War protesters of supporting Saddam Hussein and hating Kurds.

He's either arguing pro-colonialism or pro-discrimination because he should otherwise be for a one-state solution where all Palestinians have equal rights as Jews in the region, including right of return.

This isn't surprising at all at this point. I think it's incredibly wrongheaded because it assumes Iran as some kind of victim when they are not, but a few things fuel this;

A: The premise that Israel is committing a genocide will lead to people uncritically supporting regimes that fight Israel even though Iran is obviously bad

B: The desire of neoliberals/neocons the past few decades to invade Iran has morphed an opposition that at times views Iran as a victim

I think people supporting Iran need to keep in mind that it is not the subject of an ongoing genocide and that it is a religious fundamentalist state equitable to the worst instincts of what a Christian Nationalist state would look like. Just because they are targeting a genocidal organization doesn't make them a good government.

Tyranthraxus posted...

It just goes to show they don't really care about Palestine their primary purpose was just hating Jews the whole time.

It is wrong to cheer, but most of the world sees Israel as a villain right now.

JuanCarlos1 posted...

It is wrong to cheer, but most of the world sees Israel as a villain right now.

The thing to really focus on in my opinion is the IDF in particular. The premise that you're antisemitic for pointing out that, say, IDF soldiers intentionally snipe children or that the IDF makes shit up early Bush admin style to commit war crimes is pants-on-head stupid shit.

It is of the same logic that led conservatives in the United States to call liberals unamerican for not wanting to go into Iraq and mow down hundreds of thousands of people. It's either deeply bad faith commentary or someone who has been hoodwinked by the shittiest propaganda ever conceived.

JuanCarlos1 posted...

It is wrong to cheer, but most of the world sees Israel as a villain right now.

I disagree. Iran only targeted Israeli military bases. Such behavior should be encouraged, not like what Israel does when it only likes to go after their military targets when they go home to their extended families.

Tyranthraxus posted...

It just goes to show they don't really care about Palestine their primary purpose was just hating Jews the whole time.

What a fucking trash take. Yeah because being anti-Semitic is the only reason why someone would hate Israel right? Smh...

streamofthesky posted...

Really scary how the left has been brainwashed into seeing Israel/Palestine as a conflict between "white colonizers" and "brown people".
The US Census considers all of the Middle East to be "white", and Israelis have just as long a residence and claim to the region as Palestinians do.
Many don't agree with the official Census categorization, and that's fine. I'm just pointing out that....if one of the two groups is "brown", then both are.
The rhetoric is blatantly racist and hate speech, but is allowed and endorsed by Western institutions.

https://www.thecrimson.com/column/dining-on-sacred-cow/article/2012/11/16/Lispon-Israel-race/

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/17/1079181478/us-census-middle-eastern-white-north-african-mena

Fucking disgusting post.
Also, Palestinians are Iranians now?

Great post, though Jordan belongs in the former group.

Man, I just don't understand why Biden won't capitulate to their demands and beg for their votes! /s

What the fuck?!

While it's true there's a lot of brown Israelis and the conflict isn't as simple as white vs brown, Israel, as founded, and as it's operated up until today is explicitly a settler colonial project and it's early proponents and founders openly recognized that reality. So it's not entirely a racial situation, it is one of colonization and apartheid. The left is accurately assessing that situation and the right, Zionists, and people obsessed with "US interests" are heavily invested in obscuring that reality.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Not really, people often cheer regimes they hate being struck. You see a similar thing with Russia

To be fair, Ukraine was actually minding their own business and Russia started invading and raping and murdering for no fucking reason besides conquest.

And Ukraine hasn't been targeting Russian civilians.

hockeybabe89 posted...

To be fair, Ukraine was actually minding their own business and Russia started invading and raping and murdering for no fucking reason besides conquest.

And Ukraine hasn't been targeting Russian civilians.

Zero chance I'd support Ukraine if they started this war by dropping 1000 fighters into Crimea and massacred as many civilians as they could find.

And if Russia invaded in response and committed the same atrocities such as in Izium then obviously it would be fine to still call them out for that.

hockeybabe89 posted...

To be fair, Ukraine was actually minding their own business and Russia started invading and raping and murdering for no fucking reason besides conquest.

And Ukraine hasn't been targeting Russian civilians.

Shows how ignorant you are about the events that led up to the Ukraine war. Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy.

In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa where dozens of people were burned alive.

Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated like animals. Their language and culture was being openly oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in the Donbas region.

If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened. The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of the Ukraine. But Zelensky is a terrible diplomat and war is the outcome of poor diplomacy.

Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements.

Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April? Hint: someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time.

Russia's national security was compromised once NATO began to expand eastwards. Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining nato was a red line many times (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable. The Russians have legitimate security concerns.

20th September, 2021. Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO

Nato illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter).
dont forget also what NATO did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.

Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster?

Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest.

Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incident in Poland.

Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed.
Poroshenko said, Our children will go to schools and kindergartenstheirs will hide in the basements.

Ask russians about the 2014 Odessa massacre.

Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country.

Ukraine has a hit list. They target artists, journalists and ordinary citizens. Hundreds of children are on this list. 13 year old Faina Savenkova was placed on this list.
Pink Floyd's Roger Waters is on this list. Jimmy Dore (American stand-up comedian, podcaster) and Aaron Mat (Canadian writer and journalist) are on this list.

There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence).

The azov troops trapped in the azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors being present.
Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but azov would not allow the civilians to leave.

Ukraine has committed many vile acts (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) RIP.

The first terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims).
The second terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter.

Never go full tankie lmfao

Shadow_Don posted...

Never go full tankie lmfao

Dispute a single thing I said or STFU.

Well, that guy'll be gone shortly.

falayyou01 posted...

Dispute a single thing I said or STFU

Russia invaded Ukraine and raped and murdered and pillaged because Putin is an evil POS and wants to conquer as much of the world as he can

falayyou01 posted...

Dispute a single thing I said or STFU.

Nah how about you shut your fucking trap and stop spreading propaganda.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Russia invaded Ukraine and raped and murdered and pillaged because Putin is an evil POS and wants to conquer as much of the world as he can

Putin may or may not be an evil POS but hes no more so than leading politician of any NATO nation.

electricbugs2 posted...

Nah how about you shut your fucking trap and stop spreading propaganda.

Which part was propaganda?

falayyou01 posted...

Dispute a single thing I said or STFU.

I actually burst out laughing when you said Jimmy fucking Dore is on a Ukrainian government assassination list

Thanks for that

falayyou01 posted...

Putin may or may not be an evil POS but hes no more so than leading politician of any NATO nation.

Good fucking god.

falayyou01 posted...

Poroshenko said, Our children will go to schools and kindergartenstheirs will hide in the basements.

Why are quotes from Zelensky's political opponents in your list?

DrizztLink posted...

Good fucking god.

The people in Gaza seriously need better people advocating for them its awful

Still waiting for someone to dispute any of the facts in my argument.

falayyou01 posted...

Still waiting for someone to dispute any of the facts in my argument.

Did I stutter or are you just illiterate? Shut the fuck up.

Fenriswolf posted...

The Israelis are free to take out the Iranian assets, just not while they're inside an embassy.

Speaking of which, plenty of people in the West like to pretend that the conflict only started in 2023 and not 1948.

So if it was proven military assets were stationed in the embassy that would be ok?

hockeybabe89 posted...

Russia invaded Ukraine and raped and murdered and pillaged because Putin is an evil POS and wants to conquer as much of the world as he can

Don't reply to them. They called Euromaidan a coup so they're clearly talking in poor faith out of their arse.

electricbugs2 posted...

Did I stutter or are you just illiterate? Shut the fuck up.

How about you kindly fuck off as well.

Question for everyone in this topic. India killed a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. Should Canada be fighting India right now?

Also, I know quite a few people who left Iran because it's not the place they want to raise their children. Does this opinion change your ideas at all?

falayyou01 posted...

How about you kindly fuck off as well.

What, precisely, has you on the fence about Vladimir fucking Putin not being a bad guy?

DrizztLink posted...

What, precisely, has you on the fence about Vladimir fucking Putin not being a bad guy?

The world isnt made up of good guys and bad guys.

falayyou01 posted...

The world isnt made up of good guys and bad guys.

https://youtu.be/-naVTt2C6bk?si=wBvArJc_wwigGY9k

falayyou01 posted...

The world isnt made up of good guys and bad guys.

But evidently the existence of evil isn't up for debate, since you said he "may or may not be an evil POS," so what is it?

What's preventing you from knowing?

Without the sidestep, please, these are your own words.

While it's true there's a lot of brown Israelis and the conflict isn't as simple as white vs brown, Israel, as founded, and as it's operated up until today is explicitly a settler colonial project and it's early proponents and founders openly recognized that reality. So it's not entirely a racial situation, it is one of colonization and apartheid. The left is accurately assessing that situation and the right, Zionists, and people obsessed with "US interests" are heavily invested in obscuring that reality.

So many forget that Israel was the Jews first before it was taken from them...and that the Ottoman Empire was the one with the Settler Colonial Project...though they took over from the Roman Empire...its been a long list of pepole taking Israel's Land.

DrizztLink posted...

Well, that guy'll be gone shortly.

All the posts are missing for me. Which one was it?

DrizztLink posted...

But evidently the existence of evil isn't up for debate, since you said he "may or may not be an evil POS," so what is it?

What's preventing you from knowing?

Without the sidestep, please, these are your own words.

My personal take on Putin is irrelevant here, but in order to indulge you, yes of course hes an evil POS, but then one could argue the same for NATO leaders for what they did to Libya, Iraq, etc in the context of actions taken in the national interest. The initial argument made by hockeybabe though was that Ukraine was minding its own business until evil Russia decided to invade. I gave the full backdrop of the situation around the events that led up to the Ukraine war, basically countering that initial argument.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

All the posts are missing for me. Which one was it?

The guy posting an entire wall of Putin propaganda that finally managed to admit he's a piece of shit.

falayyou01 posted...

Russia's national security was compromised once NATO began to expand eastwards. Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining nato was a red line many times (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable. The Russians have legitimate security concerns.

It's basically all like that, copied and pasted direct from the Kremlin.

holy fucking shit is this dude really arguing the merits of Russia invading ukraine

SHRlKE posted...

So if it was proven military assets were stationed in the embassy that would be ok?

I mean there are lots of nefarious shit going on inside US embassies around the world, but that doesn't give anyone clearance to blow them up. Going around blowing up the embassies of countries you dislike invites retaliatory responses.

Scardude posted...

Question for everyone in this topic. India killed a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. Should Canada be fighting India right now?

Also, I know quite a few people who left Iran because it's not the place they want to raise their children. Does this opinion change your ideas at all?

Canada and India are not at war nor have a hostile relationship. In fact Canada and the US are more willing to overlook the killing because they need India to counter China, and let Modi's authoritarianism off the hook.

Fenriswolf posted...

I mean there are lots of nefarious shit going on inside US embassies around the world, but that doesn't give anyone clearance to blow them up. Going around blowing up the embassies of countries you dislike invites retaliatory responses.

Canada and India are not at war nor have a hostile relationship. In fact Canada and the US are more willing to overlook the killing because they need India to counter China, and let Modi's authoritarianism off the hook.

mods should lock these threads

Pretty sure I got modded for calling one of these guys a tankie and China shill

Shadow_Don posted...

Zero chance I'd support Ukraine if they started this war by dropping 1000 fighters into Crimea and massacred as many civilians as they could find.

And if Russia invaded in response and committed the same atrocities such as in Izium then obviously it would be fine to still call them out for that.

I like how you pretend that the Israel-Palestine conflict only happened in 2023 and not 1948. And who was the person who secretly funded Hamas to keep the Palestinians divided?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

The people in Gaza seriously need better people advocating for them its awful

Meanwhile your liberal leaders like Joe Biden are selling more weapons to the Israelis, and you think that people with bad takes on the internet are the problem?

always leads back to china with Fenris

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

holy fucking shit is this dude really arguing the merits of Russia invading ukraine

i said it was a failure of diplomacy on Zelensky's part and the result of actions instigated by those under his government. the Ukraine war was a tragic result of this failure in diplomacy. I never said it was a good thing that Russia invaded, youre just taking words out of my mouth.

Fenriswolf posted...

I like how you pretend that the Israel-Palestine conflict only happened in 2023 and not 1948.

Fenriswolf posted...

Literally digging up an event from 1980 to justify Israel attacking the Iranian embassy in 2024 LMAO

Lololol