Board 8 > Toy Story Mafia Topic 1: A Poisoned Waterhole

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If setup has two scumteams then they're all small and Corrik isn't aligned with IGCD for certain, but I think it's already a pretty safe bet.

You're trying to get rid of Corrik

The opposite actually.

what do you mean?

Not trying to get rid of him.

Unless you didn't mean me

ctesjbuvf posted...

Not trying to get rid of him.

oh ok
You're Town in my book : )

I meant you ctesjbuvf

ItzKnightz posted...

What do we know about Lopen? He's acting like he's scum. He wants to kill me by turning suspicion over to me so everyone votes for me to be lynched.

Town Lopen tends to try and lynch everyone at least once in any given game

Also the point of the game is too lynch scum so yeah trying to get people lynched if you think they're scum is pretty towny behavior tbh

Kirby321 posted...

Nah, cocky Ulti is usually town Ulti. I don't he had this much bravado as scum...

his godfather was just gunned down 1 hour into the game. All bets are off here.

For all the bravado, IGCD only managed to interact with very few people. He wanted to kill Chang and Kirby, he mentioned, the latter was not elaborated.

Amusingly he summoned host himself before getting shot a bit after.

ctesjbuvf posted...

For all the bravado, IGCD only managed to interact with very few people. He wanted to kill Chang and Kirby, he mentioned, the latter was not elaborated.

Amusingly he summoned host himself before getting shot a bit after.

maybe he got modkilled

Definitely not lol

Obellisk posted...

his godfather was just gunned down 1 hour into the game. All bets are off here.

wait, you said his godfather. Which could mean that the other two Mafia are Obellisk and Ulti.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh yeah Kirby confirmed town. And the best part is scum wont even care until day 4 because they always see him as an easy target.

And we have 2 possible Mafia

ItzKnightz posted...

wait, you said his godfather. Which could mean that the other two Mafia are Obellisk and Ulti.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/eadf4fa0.jpg

For votals to count please follow this exact format:

##Vote: Wallz

Votals

Corrik (2) - Ulti, Lopen
Lopen (1) - Kirby
Ben (0) - (Knight)
Chang (0) - (IGCD), (Knight), (sbell), (Lopen)

IGCD still voting beyond the grave?

wallmasterz posted...

The scum team can only perform their standard night kill on even-numbered nights.

wallmasterz posted...

You win when all TOWN toys have been eliminated.

For anyone to believe there are two Mafia factions would then also need to subscribe to all Mafia factions winning together as one.

This is not a wise belief. Let's all be better.

Obellisk posted...

For anyone to believe there are two Mafia factions would then also need to subscribe to all Mafia factions winning together as one.

This is not a wise belief. Let's all be better.

This is a good point.

Sbell is reading the game. Town points to him.

... Though a setup where there's two Mafia teams working together but neither knows who's on the other team would be a pretty cool premise. Definitely gonna put that one in my back pocket for the distant future lol

Kirby321 posted...

This is a good point.

Sbell is reading the game. Town points to him.

... Though a setup where there's two Mafia teams working together but neither knows who's on the other team would be a pretty cool premise. Definitely gonna put that one in my back pocket for the distant future lol

half the team can kill even nights and half the team can kill odd nights.... all 1 team, 2 and 2.

fuck. That is also plausible for this game.

Votals in 1.123 have been updated with the correction in bold. Apologies for the error.

UltimaterializerX posted...

See as town, Id look at the flip and think nothing of it. Sultan helped set the game up, and while I love the man like hes my own family, English isnt exactly a language he has a good understanding of. He would tell you this himself, and its how hes able to recover as scum every time hes caught. Oh that whacky Sultan making silly mistakes again, golly gee.

Unless I'm mistaken, it's pretty clear that Wallz wrote everything in this game, including the role PMs. Like, Sultan might have contributed ideas, but there's no way these role PMs were written by him in their final state. Therefore, I don't think that line of thinking applies here. I mean no disrespect to Sultan, of course.

Obellisk posted...

his godfather was just gunned down 1 hour into the game. All bets are off here.

Maybe, but he had that one recent game where he was scanned Godfather and was the last scum member standing. As far as I remember, Ulti held his cool back then right up until the end. So I don't think Ulti would go off the rails so soon with absolutely zero pressure on him, even if Corrik instantly deleted his teammate. Once his back is against the wall and most people start suspecting him, his ruse easily falls apart just like it did D1 Tekken Mafia. Nonetheless, players can change between games, but I think Ulti's behavior as scum has been static in that regard.

It's not that crazy to speculate things like two teams with that flip.

It does say the scum team, but yeah. It could be that they just have other types of kills for odd nights, but it reads darn clear they don't have the factorial one then.

UltimaterializerX posted...

See as town, Id look at the flip and think nothing of it. Sultan helped set the game up, and while I love the man like hes my own family, English isnt exactly a language he has a good understanding of. He would tell you this himself, and its how hes able to recover as scum every time hes caught. Oh that whacky Sultan making silly mistakes again, golly gee.

Its a scum lens to think two teams. I was scum in Tekken and I know this first hand. Town has zero reason to ever think this on day one.

Yeah, they wouldn't be able to think this till day 2 because that's after a scum has potentially flipped. >_>

I dont think anyone even believed in two scumteams after the first scum flipped in Tekken Mafia.
It wasnt until we saw a scumplayer flip who had a role that pointed out the 2nd team (my team at the time)
...
Also they shot one of ours that next night <.<.

I could swear we have had a game where there was a MAFIA team and a SCUM team once. (not Tekken) But scumteam + independent sounds or scumteam with weirdass powers on odd nights sounds more likely

Someone (I think Plum) did correctly guess two scum teams d2 then, but it wasn't apparent before both teams have lost one. But both teams also had a factorial kill, there was no hint towards other factions in the individual flips.

I also disagree with the notion that scumUlti was chill. Especially not Tekken scum Ulti.
Though granted he did have nontown targets in that game.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Someone (I think Plum) did correctly guess two scum teams d2 then, but it wasn't apparent before both teams have lost one. But both teams also had a factorial kill, there was no hint towards other factions in the individual flips.

Ah
Because of the flavor I assume.

It was maybe partially the name, but also the two kills didn't look like they were from the same place iirc.

Oh right, double kills will hint at something.

Still Ben making that assumption about 2 scumteams does not sound too odd a leap since its happened before, even if I dont think thats exactly the case here.

There is not enough Lopen in this topic.

Said no one ever.

Or are you saying Lopen is not being himself?

I am OBSERVING for DATA.

Oh god Lopen would make for an excellent Buzz, wouldn't he?

Anyway I don't have a lot to say at the moment. My scum reads are basically the same as they were last night.

We already have 140 posts you should be thankful I don't.

You want anything specific, ask!

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh and technically speaking, the correct play today is to mass. The second youre ahead on scum, you bury them.

With all this talk of two scum teams, Im willing to bet someone spilled the beans on it too early. Probably Ben.

go ahead bud get us started on that mass claim

I will say it's never Chang AND Corrik because Chang was clearly intending theatre to matter so Corrik interrupting doesn't work

So sadly I haven't figured out the whole scum team yet

It's either Chang + Knightz + ??? or Corrik + ???

The big thing I will say is more conviction Chang was paired with Knightz

Knightz thrashing his vote around like mad feels like damage control for me catching him voting Chang.

Agreed. But I think the simpler case is neither is scum. What is the reason for thinking any theatre happened beyond "it could"?

Knightz thrashing his vote around is pretty in line with his vibe in the topics before roles imo.

frankly Im leaning towards the two scum team theory right now for one reason which is that the other option I can think of is that scum has another role that takes the place of the traditional nightkill.

if the factional night kill itself had another special property, kill two players at once, etc. it seems like we would have found that out in IGCDs flip.

if its attached to another players role, then the factional nightkill is even night-locked stuff should be in that PM and not IGCDs, because if that player got lynched on D1 for example, the scum team now cant kill on odd nights at all.

So the logical conclusion from that to me is that its another party altogether responsible for odd-night kills.

idk how that works with what SBell found, if they can win together somehow. maybe theyre technically all part of the same crew but just separated into two halves and they have to try and figure out who each other are to connect up

Nah

Chang has been playing pretty scummy

Ben's catch was good and handwaving me + Ulti pressure feels wrong considering we are two of the best here at actually pushing for lynches