Current Events > Black GA voters sending message of Gaza to Biden not voting

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You don't often see rabbits give up and let the foxes into their dens to slaughter all of them

Every time one of these topics are made, its voters saying "Biden please change this policy we are speaking as voters in key states" and then a bunch of CEmen reply like these people all just cast early ballots for Trump or rescinded their voter registration

Do people seriously think Trump is the better option for Palestinians than Biden?

A ceasefire is on the table though

Because they are not GOP voters...

For the same reason rabbits don't spend much time appealing to the sympathy of foxes.

But if they pressure the GOP they might get what they want

Any bets on which side rejects it and which side gets lambasted for it falling through?

So if their fellow rabbit doesnt cave in theyll hand the presidency to a fox?

We are talking about a group of people who don't have much forethought beyond 5 seconds and claims "there's no point to vote because both sides don't care about them."

By people, I mean in general of any left leaning citizen who thinks staying home in the 2024 election will usher in those left wing values they claim they want 2025 to 2028. Or the even greater disconnect from reality, somehow how make it easier to usher those left wing values in 2029 if we assume Project 2025 doesnt end democracy.

Because their bright plan certainly served women and other marginalized groups well (see Roe v Wade and affirmative action.)

No they won't. Come on.

Any bets on which side rejects it and which side gets lambasted for it falling through?

It just seems utterly stupid to, in November, not vote for the party that might actually get you closer to what you want just because you didnt get one thing you wanted.

guy in the video explained that the election is in the palm of their hands referring to himself and his peers

the idea is to make Biden change policy with this threat on the table

they seem to have though about it more than you are claiming

This post is insinuating Hamas is the actual impediment to peace, but Israel has continuously rejected any ceasefire that doesn't allow for "total victory" aka completely leveling Gaza. And yes, as long as Biden and Blinken continue to hand Netanyahu the weapons he is using to realize his repeatedly genocidal rhetoric instead of using any of the leverage they have, they share responsibility for what Israel is doing to Gaza.

first article is a CNN video

is just four people they interviewing though

two just turned 18 the other are 19

guy in the video explained that the election is in the palm of their hands referring to himself and his peers

the idea is to make Biden change policy with this threat on the table

they seem to have though about it more than you are claiming

There are two competing theories on democracy ITT:
Public officials should change to meet the desires of voters
Vs
Voters should change to meet the desires of public officials

This post is insinuating Hamas is the actual impediment to peace

Stupider than announcing in April that you won't listen to your voters for the next seven months?

This post is insinuating Hamas is the sole impediment to peace, but Israel has continuously rejected any ceasefire that doesn't allow for "total victory" aka completely leveling Gaza. And yes, as long as Biden and Blinken continue to hand Netanyahu the weapons he is using to realize his repeatedly genocidal rhetoric instead of using any of the leverage they have, they share responsibility for what Israel is doing to Gaza.

That's not what they're doing and people REALLY need to stop saying this. The only power people have when it comes to policy is our vote. If they don't leverage that then what would you suggest they do?

There are two competing theories on democracy ITT:
Public officials should change to meet the desires of voters
Vs
Voters should change to meet the desires of public officials

How did they support Biden in the last election if they were 14 and 15 years old at the time?

A ceasefire is on the table though, and being pushed by the administration.

There are two competing theories on democracy ITT:
Public officials should change to meet the desires of voters
Vs
Voters should change to meet the desires of public officials

There are two competing theories on democracy ITT:
Public officials should change to meet the desires of voters
Vs
Voters should change to meet the desires of public officials

• Public official should change to meet every single desire of every voter
• Reality is far more nuanced than that.

That "ceasefire" is the same 6-week pause offer that has been proposed multiple time with zero of Hamas' asks.

I'm so glad morons are willing to let someone infinitely worse for their cause win than vote for Biden

Okay but what good does leveraging that voting power do right now, when it just hands Trump the win?

The Democrats' strategy of boosting far-right candidates seems to have worked

"This issue" being genocide

At this point though, I think Israel will probably end up agreeing to leave Gaza and keeping Hamas in power after it's all said and done.

Are they morons for understanding how politics works? Are you a genius for not understanding how politics works?

Truly one of the great mysteries of our time.

Okay but what good does leveraging that voting power do right now, when it just hands Trump the win?

Are they morons for understanding how politics works? Are you a genius for not understanding how politics works?

Truly one of the great mysteries of our time.

Which, I'm totally fine with and hopefully hostages on both sides of the conflict return home.

But leaving hamas in power to continue to fight and plot terror attacks isn't a ceasefire or peace.

Which, I'm totally fine with and hopefully hostages on both sides of the conflict return home.

But leaving hamas in power to continue to fight and plot terror attacks isn't a ceasefire or peace.

Will Trump be better for America OR Gaza? Will there be less genocide if Biden loses? Will Biden losing push progress forward?

If anyone answers "No" to all those questions, then they have no justification for not voting. They certainly don't actually give a damn about any of the issues they claim to if they can't even do the literal easiest thing to not maximize harm.

Is it peace as long as Israel continues to steal Palestinian land and expand its "settler" program?

4? There will be no more elections after Trump. Republicans have outright said so. I hope this moral grandstanding makes these people feel good while they get their skulls crushed by a king.

Last Tuesday, it was rainy and unseasonably cold in New York. I came home from work, changed out of my wet socks and headed back out into the grim weather to my voting spot. When I got there, an ebulliently helpful poll worker offered me a pen. I didnt need it.
Thats because I voted for no one, leaving my ballot blank. I wanted to join people all over the country in sending President Joe Biden a message: stop the genocide in Gaza.
I was not alone in trekking out into the inhospitable climate to vote for nobody that day. Roughly thirty-nine thousand New York State voters did the same, about 12 percent of primary voters. Blank accounted for about a quarter of Brooklyns primary votes. About 11 percent of Connecticuts primary voters voted uncommitted, as did an impressive 14.5 percent of Rhode islands (almost 30 percent in Providence).
On the same day, 48,162 people 8 percent of primary voters in Wisconsin joined us, voting uninstructed, which implies that delegates arent obliged to vote for anyone in particular (we dont have that option in New York, hence the blank ballots). Wisconsins results were even more significant since, unlike New York and Rhode Island, Wisconsin is a battleground state. As my Jacobin colleague Ben Burgis has written, the campaign organizers in Wisconsin had set a goal of getting twenty-three thousand uncommitted votes, to exceed the margins by which Biden had beaten Donald Trump in Wisconsin in 2020, and by which Hillary Clinton had lost to Trump in that state in 2016. The outcome, then, exceeded the goal twice over.
All over the country, this uncommitted campaign has been organized by pro-Palestinian, antiwar groups, including Muslim and Palestinian organizations, Jewish Voice for Peace, and the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA). The results so far reflect a remarkable amount of organizing in a very short time and the widespread anger among registered Democratic voters over Bidens awful complicity in the Gaza genocide.
The campaign started in Arab American communities in the swing state of Michigan, with one hundred thousand uncommitted votes in that states primary on February 17, 13 percent of primary voters. Last month, the momentum continued, with 19 percent of Minnesota primary voters marking their ballots uncommitted and a whopping 29.1 percent of Hawaii primary voters.

Now more than half a million Democratic primary voters have cast a vote most of which, we can assume, were cast against Bidens war and in solidarity with the people of Gaza. As John Nichols of the Nation has reported, that means that so far, twenty-five Democratic convention delegates are uncommitted. The campaigns continue, targeting voters in the remaining primaries.
There are already signs that this ongoing avalanche of protest votes combined with Israels shocking attack on World Central Kitchen aid workers last week is having an effect on the president and his circle. On Thursday, after weeks of pathetic bleatings of distress over civilian casualties that have not been matched with concrete action to stop the war, Biden made his strongest plea to Benjamin Netanyahu yet, threatening, in a phone call with the Israeli prime minister, to condition future aid to Israel on steps to reduce civilian harm and on allowing humanitarian aid to reach Gaza.

Nope.

Land back and reparations are needed especially for the West Bank.

"The other guy will genocide harder" will never be a winning strategy. Push your elected officials to do the right thing even when it's the hard thing (for the voter) to do.

Biden has 7 months to change on this issue. Acting as if Biden has no obligation to appease those against genocide is also a losing strategy.

Threatening to not vote, as if the worse case scenario winning will usher in those supposed values you claim to care about so much.... but instead worse usher in the exact opposite far worse is not a winning strategy either.

In fact it's even worse. How'd that bright plan work for woman's rights amd civil rights supporters who stayed home in 2016. It got them a conservative Supreme Court.