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Tyranthraxus
04/04/24 3:58:23 PM
#151:


uwnim posted...
Male casualties are likely being underreported.

The numbers aren't accurate because there's rarely such a thing as accuracy in war. The Gaza Ministry of Health are still the most accurate numbers we have and in all likelihood the male casualties are probably just as accurate as the rest. Here's the thing, so many men have been murdered over the last couple of years that the majority of Palestinians are minors. Assuming the absolute best case scenario here which is to say the remaining adult population is an even 50/50 male/female, indiscriminate killing still results in far less men being killed than women & children because the men are all already dead.

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Trumble
04/04/24 4:03:00 PM
#152:


Cemith posted...
You're tacitly okay with the eradication of LGBT people to "stick if to the left" but sure you can pontificate about what you think I mean.

It's dumb, but you can.
"You're tacitly okay with eradication of LGBT if you don't support anyone; but we're totally not tacitly okay with genocide despite explicitly and rabidly supporting someone who facilitates it."

It's one thing to suck it up and vote anyway because you don't feel you have any better options. You are all going far further than that by attacking people who cannot bring themselves to vote for a genocidal psychopath.

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Cemith
04/04/24 4:04:59 PM
#153:


Trumble posted...
"You're tacitly okay with eradication of LGBT if you don't support anyone; but we're totally not tacitly okay with genocide despite explicitly and rabidly supporting someone who facilitates it."

No, we're actually not. But Biden could actually see reason, eventually. Trump wants to be, and has been vocal about, glassing Gaza and being a dictator.

I don't believe a single word that you say about disliking the genocide in Palestine because you refuse to acknowledge that the same will happen here for persecuted people. It is that simple.

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SaikyoStyle
04/04/24 4:05:40 PM
#154:


How does Biden losing help Palestine?

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Hornezz
04/04/24 4:05:51 PM
#155:


Casual denial of atrocities again. Not great.

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Trumble
04/04/24 4:06:36 PM
#156:


Cemith posted...


I don't believe a single word that you say about disliking the genocide in Palestine because you refuse to acknowledge that the same will happen here for persecuted people. It is that simple.
In all honesty, I don't believe it will. Oppression, yes. Genocide, no. And even that's not okay. But then, I'm not advocating for that either. I'm against that. I'm also against the genocide in Palestine. Hence my lack of support for either candidate.

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havean776
04/04/24 4:07:25 PM
#157:


Trumble posted...
In all honesty, I don't believe it will. Oppression, yes. Genocide, no. And even that's not okay. But then, I'm not advocating for that either. I'm against that. I'm also against the genocide in Palestine. Hence my lack of support for either candidate.
And who do you support?

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Will_VIIII
04/04/24 4:07:30 PM
#158:


Trumble posted...
In all honesty, I don't believe it will. Oppression, yes. Genocide, no. And even that's not okay. But then, I'm not advocating for that either. I'm against that. I'm also against the genocide in Palestine. Hence my lack of support for either candidate.
What do you want US citizens to do in November?

A very straightforward question for you.

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Tyranthraxus
04/04/24 4:08:02 PM
#159:


Trumble posted...
people who cannot bring themselves to vote for a genocidal psychopath.

Netanyahu isn't on the ballot so there's no conflict there.

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Trumble
04/04/24 4:10:08 PM
#160:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Netanyahu isn't on the ballot so there's no conflict there.
But (at least) two candidates who would strongly support his regime and facilitate his genocide are. One of whom is Biden.

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Will_VIIII
04/04/24 4:10:26 PM
#161:


Trumble posted...
But (at least) two candidates who would strongly support his regime and facilitate his genocide are.


Will_VIIII posted...
What do you want US citizens to do in November?

A very straightforward question for you.


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Cemith
04/04/24 4:12:26 PM
#162:


Trumble posted...
In all honesty, I don't believe it will. Oppression, yes. Genocide, no.

Oh, shit, man. Just a little oppression? But the candidates are the same on the one issue you vocally care about?

Damn, tough choice to make. Really complex stuff.

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Trumble
04/04/24 4:12:28 PM
#163:


Will_VIIII posted...
What do you want US citizens to do in November?

A very straightforward question for you.
In an ideal world (while still sticking within the limits of what's realistically possible under the US system), Biden realizes how many votes this will cost him and changes course before November, thus re-winning enough votes to keep Trump out.

And that's not going to happen if his die-hard fans keep downplaying what he's responsible for or deflecting from any criticism. It's going to happen if people send a clear message that he is not winning the election without a major change of course on Israel.

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Trumble
04/04/24 4:13:01 PM
#164:


Cemith posted...
Oh, shit, man. Just a little oppression? But the candidates are the same on the one issue you vocally care about?

Damn, tough choice to make. Really complex stuff.
It's a moot point as I'd still rather have neither.

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Tyranthraxus
04/04/24 4:13:13 PM
#165:


Trumble posted...
But (at least) two candidates who would strongly support his regime and facilitate his genocide are. One of whom is Biden.

I don't get the impression that Biden really supports this. If he did, he wouldn't be sending the military to Gaza to build a pier to provide maritime relief assistance in Gaza while completely bypassing Israel in the process.

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havean776
04/04/24 4:13:45 PM
#166:


Trumble posted...
In an ideal world (while still sticking within the limits of what's realistically possible under the US system), Biden realizes how many votes this will cost him and changes course before November, thus re-winning enough votes to keep Trump out.

And If Biden doesn't do that, what than?


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Trumble
04/04/24 4:14:16 PM
#167:


Tyranthraxus posted...
I don't get the impression that Biden really supports this. If he did, he wouldn't be sending the military to Gaza to build a pier to provide maritime relief assistance in Gaza while completely bypassing Israel in the process.
If he didn't, he wouldn't be sending the literal weapons Israel are using to conduct the genocide.

Providing aid is little more than optics when against that background.

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Cemith
04/04/24 4:14:25 PM
#168:


Trumble posted...
It's a moot point as I'd still rather have neither.

If you were from America, or, you know, educated, you'd understand that's not even an option most people can afford to make.

I'm sure my brother and his trans girlfriend are so proud of your self righteous platitudes.

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HeroicObiWan
04/04/24 4:15:13 PM
#169:


I still want someone to tell me what Israel is supposed to do about Hamas. While Israel has gone too far, what exactly is it that you want them to do? You can't ignore Hamas as a problem. Because they legitimately are one.

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Trumble
04/04/24 4:15:40 PM
#170:


Cemith posted...
If you were from America, or, you know, educated, you'd understand that's not even an option most people can afford to make.

I'm sure my brother and his trans girlfriend are so proud of your self righteous platitudes.
And I'm sure the 30k+ Palestinians who have been outright murdered in an attempt at genocide, not to mention the millions of them facing famine, homelessness, etc, are so proud of yours.

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havean776
04/04/24 4:16:10 PM
#171:


Cemith posted...
If you were from America, or, you know, educated, you'd understand that's not even an option most people can afford to make.

I'm sure my brother and his trans girlfriend are so proud of your self righteous platitudes.
Perhaps your borther and his Trans girlfriend and bare a little opression so some people can stand on a moral high ground and say 'least I didn't vote!'.

Isn't that worth it?

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DrizztLink
04/04/24 4:16:37 PM
#172:


Trumble posted...
And I'm sure the 30k+ Palestinians who have been outright murdered in an attempt at genocide are so proud of yours.
I'm sure they're deeply thankful that you've been shitposting about your own ignorance all day.

You saved Palestine, congratulations.

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Tyranthraxus
04/04/24 4:16:44 PM
#173:


Trumble posted...
If he didn't, he wouldn't be sending the literal weapons Israel are using to conduct the genocide.

Providing aid is little more than optics when against that background.

If aid is just optics then you've clearly already made up your mind.

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Trumble
04/04/24 4:17:24 PM
#174:


Tyranthraxus posted...
If aid is just optics then you've clearly already made up your mind.
When it's done by the same people who are actively providing the weapons being used to create the situation in the first place, it absolutely IS just optics.

If they really wanted to help, the first thing they'd do is cease weapon deliveries. The second would be a total embargo against Israel. And if that doesn't work, military intervention would be next.

What do we actually see from him? More weapons shipments. And a tiny bit of aid, which far more attention gets drawn to, to make them look better.

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Will_VIIII
04/04/24 4:18:16 PM
#175:


Trumble posted...
And I'm sure the 30k+ Palestinians who have been outright murdered in an attempt at genocide, not to mention the millions of them facing famine, homelessness, etc, are so proud of yours.
Over 1 million US citizens died of covid under Trump, who is on record stating that he hoped it would hurt Democrat states

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Cemith
04/04/24 4:18:18 PM
#176:


Trumble posted...
And I'm sure the 30k+ Palestinians who have been outright murdered in an attempt at genocide, not to mention the millions of them facing famine, homelessness, etc, are so proud of yours.


Cemith posted...
I don't believe a single word that you say about disliking the genocide in Palestine because you refuse to acknowledge that the same will happen here for persecuted people. It is that simple.


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DarthAragorn
04/04/24 4:18:52 PM
#177:


HeroicObiWan posted...
I still want someone to tell me what Israel is supposed to do about Hamas. While Israel has gone too far, what exactly is it that you want them to do? You can't ignore Hamas as a problem. Because they legitimately are one.
Probably not the indiscriminate murder of tens of thousands of civilians

Fuck off

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Tyranthraxus
04/04/24 4:19:49 PM
#178:


Trumble posted...
When it's done by the same people who are actively providing the weapons being used to create the situation in the first place, it absolutely IS just optics.

If they really wanted to help, the first thing they'd do is cease weapon deliveries.

It's way more than just optics. Israel will not be so quick to fire rockets at a place if they suspect the American military is there. US being in Gaza at all is an incredibly strong deterrent to war operations.

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Trumble
04/04/24 4:20:37 PM
#179:


Will_VIIII posted...
Over 1 million US citizens died of covid under Trump, who is on record stating that he hoped it would hurt Democrat states
And? They died mostly due to their own choices. Trump influenced it, but they chose themself to disregard safety measures like masks they could have complied with regardless of what Trump says.

On the other hand, Palestinians have no say in what Netanyahu and Biden are doing to them. They could do everything in their power to try and stop it, but the bombs Biden is supplying to Netanyahu will continue falling.

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Cemith
04/04/24 4:20:39 PM
#180:


havean776 posted...
Perhaps your borther and his Trans girlfriend and bare a little opression so some people can stand on a moral high ground and say 'least I didn't vote!'.

Isn't that worth it?
Oh I'm sure Trumble is absolutely thrilled.

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DrizztLink
04/04/24 4:20:50 PM
#181:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Israel will not be so quick to fire rockets at a place if they suspect the American military is there. US being in Gaza at all is an incredibly strong deterrent to war operations.
They have absolutely killed Americans before and they absolutely will again.

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DrizztLink
04/04/24 4:21:12 PM
#182:


Trumble posted...
And? They died mostly due to their own choices.
Now THIS is fucking ignorance.

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Trumble
04/04/24 4:21:56 PM
#183:


DrizztLink posted...
Now THIS is fucking ignorance.
Please explain how Trump talking a bunch of bullshit takes away people's ability to voluntarily comply with reasonable precautions.

Trump can tell people all he likes to not wear masks, not take the vaccine, etc. But he can't stop them from actually doing so. They chose not to.

Not remotely comparable to the situation in Palestine, that Palestinians have no control over in any way.

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Tyranthraxus
04/04/24 4:23:18 PM
#184:


DrizztLink posted...
They have absolutely killed Americans before and they absolutely will again.
The IDF did? I can't find anything about that. All the Americans killed seemed to be in the 10/7 attack.

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DrizztLink
04/04/24 4:23:58 PM
#185:


Trumble posted...
Please explain how Trump talking a bunch of bullshit takes away people's ability to voluntarily comply with reasonable precautions.
My dude, COVID killed thousands upon thousands of Americans who followed protocol.

There are Americans on this board who followed protocol and still post about their long COVID.

So yes, that was ignorant even by your standards.

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Trumble
04/04/24 4:24:07 PM
#186:


Tyranthraxus posted...
The IDF did? I can't find anything about that. All the Americans killed seemed to be in the 10/7 attack.
What a surprise to see that someone who's been defending this is now trying to move the goalposts in order to deny Israel's crimes.

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Trumble
04/04/24 4:25:25 PM
#187:


DrizztLink posted...
My dude, COVID killed thousands upon thousands of Americans who followed protocol.

There are people on this board who followed protocol and still post about their long COVID.

So yes, that was ignorant even by your standards.
And yet, it was still those who *personally* chose not to follow it who are responsible for things getting as bad as they did.

You cannot claim Trump is responsible for the personal choices of individuals while claiming Biden is not responsible for his own personal actions.

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Will_VIIII
04/04/24 4:25:36 PM
#188:


DrizztLink posted...
My dude, COVID killed thousands upon thousands of Americans who followed protocol.

There are Americans on this board who followed protocol and still post about their long COVID.

So yes, that was ignorant even by your standards.
Yeah that's a wild claim to have made

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Tyranthraxus
04/04/24 4:25:40 PM
#189:


Trumble posted...
What a surprise to see that someone who's been defending this is now trying to move the goalposts in order to deny Israel's crimes.

I'm not denying anything. I'm saying I can't find anything about the IDF killing American troops before. If you got it, show me.

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Heavy_D_Forever
04/04/24 4:25:58 PM
#190:


I see that people are still convinced that bullying people into voting for Biden will actually be effective. That's cute.

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DrizztLink
04/04/24 4:26:25 PM
#191:


Jesus fucking Christ.

Not the point I was making, but sure.

This is why I refuse to be your fifth grade Social Studies teacher.

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Will_VIIII
04/04/24 4:26:29 PM
#192:


Trumble posted...
And yet, it was still those who *personally* chose not to follow it who are responsible for things getting as bad as they did.
Prove this

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HeroicObiWan
04/04/24 4:26:59 PM
#193:


DarthAragorn posted...
Probably not the indiscriminate murder of tens of thousands of civilians

f*** off

If you can't engage in civil conversation, perhaps you shouldn't engage in conversation at all.

Trumble posted...
And? They died mostly due to their own choices. Trump influenced it, but they chose themself to disregard safety measures like masks they could have complied with regardless of what Trump says.

This is ignorant. Trump's inactions in regards to Covid cost millions of lives. The US had it worse than most countries largely because of the way he chose to deal with Covid. It wasn't just that people weren't wearing masks or getting vaccinated. That came a bit later. Trump actively chose not to do anything about Covid because he thought it would help him get elected.

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havean776
04/04/24 4:27:13 PM
#194:


Trumble posted...
And yet, it was still those who *personally* chose not to follow it who are responsible for things getting as bad as they did.

You cannot claim Trump is responsible for the personal choices of individuals while claiming Biden is not responsible for his own personal actions.
Is Trump not responsible for ANYTHING in your mind?

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Deej
04/04/24 4:28:15 PM
#195:


Trumble posted...
And? They died mostly due to their own choices. Trump influenced it, but they chose themself to disregard safety measures like masks they could have complied with regardless of what Trump says.
Yikes

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Trumble
04/04/24 4:28:40 PM
#196:


havean776 posted...
Is Trump not responsible for ANYTHING in your mind?
In a vacuum I would argue he is responsible. My point is you can't blame him for the actions of individuals that he merely influenced, while at the same time not blaming Biden for actions he is directly, personally taking.

You can (and should) blame Trump for the influence he had on those people, but if you're going to accept that as valid, you can't then claim Biden should get a free pass on an actioj he *personally* took.

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Will_VIIII
04/04/24 4:29:54 PM
#197:


Trumble posted...
In a vacuum I would argue he is responsible. My point is you can't blame him for the actions of individuals that he merely influenced, while at the same time not blaming Biden for actions he is directly, personally taking.
You made this claim:

Trumble posted...
They died mostly due to their own choices. Trump influenced it, but they chose themself to disregard safety measures like masks they could have complied with regardless of what Trump says.


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havean776
04/04/24 4:30:09 PM
#198:


Trumble posted...
In a vacuum I would argue he is responsible. My point is you can't blame him for the actions of individuals that he merely influenced, while at the same time not blaming Biden for actions he is directly, personally taking.
But you can absolve Trump for the actions of others but not Biden? Interesting no?

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Cemith
04/04/24 4:30:13 PM
#199:


Heavy_D_Forever posted...
I see that people are still convinced that bullying people into voting for Biden will actually be effective. That's cute.

If you don't vote for Biden, you're complicit in LGBT erasure, women's rights erasure... Oh yeah, and also Palestinian erasure.

Try to keep up.

Also, for those keeping track at home, @Trumble;

  • Isn't American, and thus can't vote in the election is he has such a massive problem with.
  • Is completely aware that oppression of non white non religious persons are on the table if Trump wins
  • Was unable to bring up a viable third candidate when asked (this was yesterday)
  • Isn't aware of how the American EC works and why we're tied to a binary choice between Biden and Trump.
So yeah this thread is going about as well as the other ones.

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Tyranthraxus
04/04/24 4:30:43 PM
#200:


Trumble posted...
In a vacuum I would argue he is responsible. My point is you can't blame him for the actions of individuals that he merely influenced, while at the same time not blaming Biden for actions he is directly, personally taking.

Oh oh that's rich.

Biden is responsible for the actions of a foreign military power that he has no authority over but Trump isn't responsible for his own policies that caused a 9/11 every week.

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