Current Events > Michigan Republican congressman suggests nuking gaza.

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So weird how many people came to the same conclusion here...

Trumble posted...

I've already been pretty damn clear that in and of itself I do consider him responsible for that. Go re-read the relevant posts again if you still think otherwise. The point was that it's hypocritical to hold him responsible for actions he merely influenced, while not holding Biden responsible for actions he outright enabled.

You're saying that the man who had the pandemic response team disbanded, refused to listen to his chief of medical, who refused any policy to slow down the pandemic spread, who mocked people wearing masks, who told his supporters to just ignore the pandemic.
Only had a little influence? and no direct action? Why do you keep downplaying this?

So weird how few "Genocide Joe" users are showing up here. I thought they deeply cared...

Will_VIIII posted...

So weird how many people came to the same conclusion here...

Seemingly all the ones who feel that it's okay for Biden to supply weapons to a country that are using them to commit genocide.

Almost as if you're crying "right wing Trumper" to shut down valid criticism. It's very noticable that it's only the ones who seem to have a soft spot for Israel that are trying to brand me as that.

havean776 posted...

You're saying that the man who had the pandemic response team disbanded, refused to listen to his chief of medical, who refused any policy to slow down the pandemic spread, who mocked people wearing masks, who told his supporters to just ignore the pandemic.
Only had a little influence? and no direct action? Why do you keep downplaying this?

how curious

Umbreon posted...

So weird how few "Genocide Joe" users are showing up here. I thought they deeply cared...

they only care about signal boosting trump by attacking biden. users like toothbrush have been attacking democrats while ignoring any republican insanity for at least a decade

Trumble posted...

Seemingly all the ones who feel that it's okay for Biden to supply weapons to a country that are using them to commit genocide.

Almost as if you're crying "right wing Trumper" to shut down valid criticism. It's very noticable that it's only the ones who seem to have a soft spot for Israel that are trying to brand me as that.

Is your government supporting the conflict in any way?

havean776 posted...

You're saying that the man who had the pandemic response team disbanded, refused to listen to his chief of medical, who refused any policy to slow down the pandemic spread, who mocked people wearing masks, who told his supporters to just ignore the pandemic.
Only had a little influence? and no direct action? Why do you keep downplaying this?

It's interesting how you keep insisting that I've said "a little" of things when I haven't.

Trumble posted...

Seemingly all the ones who feel that it's okay for Biden to supply weapons to a country that are using them to commit genocide.

Almost as if you're crying "right wing Trumper" to shut down valid criticism. It's very noticable that it's only the ones who seem to have a soft spot for Israel that are trying to brand me as that.

You do not care about the Palestinian genocide because you do not care about the persecution of minority peoples under a right wing regime.

Trumble posted...

Seemingly all the ones who feel that it's okay for Biden to supply weapons to a country that are using them to commit genocide.

Almost as if you're crying "right wing Trumper" to shut down valid criticism. It's very noticable that it's only the ones who seem to have a soft spot for Israel that are trying to brand me as that.

i wonder why people would think that the guy who tries to downplay how bad trump is/was and spends hundreds of posts attacking biden would be labeled a cultist? lmao you are way too obvious

Trumble posted...

By blaming people refusing to follow reasonable safety precautions, that they could have followed in spite of Trump's "advice" for COVID deaths.

We already told you that thousands upon thousands of Americans died or were left with lifelong issues despite following protocol perfectly.

You don't seem to give a shit, which dramatically undermines your holier-than-thou horseshit.

Will_VIII posted...

Is your government supporting the conflict in any way?

Unfortunately the current government is, which is why next time around I'll almost certianly be voting Green (which in fairness was already very likely to be the case). They're the only relevant party I feel can be trusted to not support Israel; I don't agree with them on everything but the things I disagree with them on are far more palatable to compromise on.

Trumble posted...

It's interesting how you keep insisting that I've said "a little" of things when I haven't.

Oh don't mind me just pondering on how you keep downplaying Trump as having a little influence but scream that Biden is directly responsible for the actions of others.
It's just a curious observation I assure you and nothing more.

andel posted...

i wonder why people would think that the guy who tries to downplay how bad trump is/was and spends hundreds of posts attacking biden would be labeled a cultist? lmao you are way too obvious

Ah yes, despite repeatedly stating that Trump is worse, despite the only thing even resembling a defence of Trump being calling out hypocrisy, I must secretly support Trump.

Fuck off with that crap.

Trumble posted...

Ah yes, despite repeatedly stating that Trump is worse, despite the only thing even resembling a defence of Trump being calling out hypocrisy, I must secretly support Trump.

Fuck off with that crap.

you literally went post after post saying people should abstain voting Biden and that voting Biden meant you support genocide

havean776 posted...

Oh don't mind me just pondering on how you keep downplaying Trump as having a little influence but scream that Biden is directly responsible for the actions of others.
It's just a curious observation I assure you and nothing more.

There you go again, inserting "little" where no claim was made about magnitude.

You clearly feel the need to label everyone who criticises Biden a "Trump supporter" because there's no other way to defend Biden's conduct on Israel.

Trumble posted...

Unfortunately the current government is

Okay.

Are you currently employed?

Trumble posted...

Ah yes, despite repeatedly stating that Trump is worse, despite the only thing even resembling a defence of Trump being calling out hypocrisy, I must secretly support Trump.

Fuck off with that crap.

you openly support trump winning the election in '24 by using hours everyday to advocate people don't vote against him. you aren't fooling anyone

People ITT keeping troll-ble honest.

WingsOfGood posted...

you literally went post after post saying people should abstain voting Biden and that voting Biden meant you support genocide

And at what point during this did I suggest anyone should vote Trump?

Prior to being educated on some of the finer points around US elections, I was saying vote someone else. Since then, I've been saying vote Biden if you absolutely have to but don't fucking criticise those who can't bring themself to do so, and consider using the threat of non-voting as leverage to pressure him into changing course on Israel. On both sides of that point, I've held that downplaying or deflecting what he's doing is unacceptable.

What fucking part of that is supporting Trump?

Trumble posted...

You clearly feel the need to label everyone who criticises Biden a "Trump supporter" because there's no other way to defend Biden's conduct on Israel.

Curious I do not recall calling you a Trump Supporter. How strange that was your go to reaction to me pointing out your own posting habits.
I also don't remember defending Biden how curious.

Anyway please do not mind me I am only making harmless observations.

andel posted...

i wonder why people would think that the guy who tries to downplay how bad trump is/was and spends hundreds of posts attacking biden would be labeled a cultist? lmao you are way too obvious

Yeah. All the talk of how democrats need to "be better", but they say nothing about how to make republicans less fascist.

Trumble posted...

Since then, I've been saying vote Biden if you absolutely have to but don't fucking criticise those who can't bring themself to do so

Why not? Are they beyond criticism? Should I allow my friends fate be in the hands of people who are apathetic to their suffering? Should I not be pointing out how much worse life under Trump is than Biden?

havean776 posted...

Curious I do not recall calling you a Trump Supporter. How strange that was your go to reaction to me pointing out your own posting habits.
I also don't remember defending Biden how curious.

Anyway please do not mind me I am only making harmless observations.

Outside of notable cases like outright denying genocide, I'm kinda past the point of paying attention to who's who among all of you.

mistymermaid posted...

Yeah. All the talk of how democrats need to "be better", but they say nothing about how to make republicans less fascist.

Why waste time on an impossible goal?

Trumble posted...

And at what point during this did I suggest anyone should vote Trump?

Prior to being educated on some of the finer points around US elections, I was saying vote someone else. Since then, I've been saying vote Biden if you absolutely have to but don't fucking criticise those who can't bring themself to do so, and consider using the threat of non-voting as leverage to pressure him into changing course on Israel. On both sides of that point, I've held that downplaying or deflecting what he's doing is unacceptable.

What fucking part of that is supporting Trump?

the part where you downplay evil shit trump did and are totally ok with him getting elected

that fucking part

Trumble posted...

And at what point during this did I suggest anyone should vote Trump?

Prior to being educated on some of the finer points around US elections, I was saying vote someone else. Since then, I've been saying vote Biden if you absolutely have to but don't fucking criticise those who can't bring themself to do so, and consider using the threat of non-voting as leverage to pressure him into changing course on Israel. On both sides of that point, I've held that downplaying or deflecting what he's doing is unacceptable.

What fucking part of that is supporting Trump?

you literally went post after post saying people should abstain voting Biden and that voting Biden meant you support genocide

Trumble posted...

Why waste time on an impossible goal?

so it's worth shitposting for hundreds of posts if you are shitting on democrats but you can't be bothered to denounce the people you are trying to get elected?

you aren't very good at this

Since it was missed (and it is relevant), are you currently employed Trumble?

Trumble also said months ago that Israel should be forced to 100% disarm and when it was pointed out that this would just cause a genocide in the other direction he said thats ok because theyre the bad guys now

andel posted...

so it's worth shitposting for hundreds of posts if you are shitting on democrats but you can't be bothered to denounce the people you are trying to get elected?

you aren't very good at this

I've denounced Republicans plenty of times when it's relevant, but since for the most part they've only come up as a deflection and everyone already recognizes they're shit, there's not much point.

It's no different to Israel supporters insisting everyone who doesn't end every criticism of Israel with a statement about Hamas being bad must be secret Hamas supporters.

thronedfire2 posted...

Trumble also said months ago that Israel should be forced to 100% disarm and when it was pointed out that this would just cause a genocide in the other direction he said thats ok because theyre the bad guys now

Funny how you always leave out that I've said a neutral peacekeeping force should be involved in any such scenario... Almost like you're just trying to make anyone criticising Israel and its supporters sound bad.

Will_VIII posted...

Since it was missed (and it is relevant), are you currently employed Trumble?

No, it's not relevant. You're either intending to use it as a gotcha over something I can't control, or to use it to dismiss my opinion on entirely irrelevant grounds. Not to mention if you followed my posts even a fraction of as closely as you claim to, you'd already know the answer.

Trumble posted...

No, it's not relevant. You're either intending to use it as a gotcha over something I can't control, or to use it to dismiss my opinion on entirely irrelevant grounds.

It is relevant and your answer is pretty telling.

For everyone else, assuming that Trumble is gainfully employed (no reason to believe one way or another) it's a likely bet that he's being taxed.

He's clarified that his country is also supporting the conflict in the way the US is.

Therefore, he is also supporting genocide by paying taxes.

And yes, that's within your control. You claim to be so against this genocide but by your own parameters, you're actively funding it.

Trumble posted...

I've denounced Republicans plenty of times when it's relevant, but since for the most part they've only come up as a deflection and everyone already recognizes they're shit, there's not much point.

It's no different to Israel supporters insisting everyone who doesn't end every criticism of Israel with a statement about Hamas being bad must be secret Hamas supporters.

your stated goal is to try and convince people to not vote for biden so it seems super relevant since you are trying to get trump elected.

luckily you are really bad at this and the only people circlejerking with you are other nihilists and trumpers

Will_VIII posted...

He's clarified that his country is also supporting the conflict in the way the US is.

There you go again, putting words in my mouth. My country's support is in the sense of that politicians aren't taking a strong enough line against it. Not in the sense of that they're fucking supplying weapons. Even Winston Peters, probably the most pro-Israel person in there, wants to see a ceasefire; and while it's hard to take his word too seriously, at least he hasn't been taking significant actions that contradict his claims.

We aren't fucking like you.

Trumble posted...

There you go again, putting words in my mouth. My country's support is in the sense of that politicians aren't taking a strong enough line against it. Not in the sense of that they're fucking supplying weapons.

Are they supporting it financially in any way at all?

Will_VIII posted...

Therefore, he is also supporting genocide by paying taxes.

Now to address this part... I dunno if you realize this, but in normal countries, not only is tax evasion illegal but unless you have no income it's also very difficult to even attempt in the first place. You don't even see the taxed income, it's taken out before you get the money. In practice it's basically just a lower wage. The only influence anyone has over it is pressuring or voting for politicians.

And besides, let's not forget you claimed the genocide wasn't a genocide, so you are in no position to talk about what is or isn't supporting it.

Trumble posted...

Now to address this part... I dunno if you realize this, but in normal countries, not only is tax evasion illegal but unless you have no income it's also very difficult to even attempt in the first place. The only influence anyone has over it is pressuring or voting for politicians.

And besides, let's not forget you claimed the genocide wasn't a genocide, so you are in no position to talk about what is or isn't supporting it.

Right.

So I'm saying if you had conviction you'd quit your job because then at least you wouldn't be a hypocrite in calling others genocide supporters

Trumble posted...

And besides, let's not forget you claimed the genocide wasn't a genocide, so you are in no position to talk about what is or isn't supporting it.

To wit, this is the part where I point out your hypocrisy in disliking the Palestinian genocide but being on board with American minority oppression under a Trump regime.

Not exactly a rigid moral compass you have there.

Trumble posted...

There you go again, putting words in my mouth. My country's support is in the sense of that politicians aren't taking a strong enough line against it. Not in the sense of that they're fucking supplying weapons. Even Winston Peters, probably the most pro-Israel person in there, wants to see a ceasefire; and while it's hard to take his word too seriously, at least he hasn't been taking significant actions that contradict his claims.

We aren't fucking like you.

new zealand is using the exact same rhetoric the biden administration is. they both support israels 'right to defend itself' while admonishing unnecessary deaths and military action.

you don't give a shit about gaza, you just want far right lunatics in power

Cemith posted...

To wit, this is the part where I point out your hypocrisy in disliking the Palestinian genocide but being on board with American minority oppression under a Trump regime.

Not exactly a rigid moral compass you have there.

Why don't you quote the specific comments I made about that and see just how "on board with it" they are or aren't?

andel posted...

new zealand is using the exact same rhetoric the biden administration is. they both support israels 'right to defend itself' while admonishing unnecessary deaths and military action.

you don't give a shit about gaza, you just want far right lunatics in power

A huge difference being that NZ isn't supplying weapons, or obstructing UN resolutions, or sending military support to the region, or...

Plus, as mentioned, my vote will be going to the one relevant party that doesn't support them at all. Because that's what I *can* realistically do. Who on a side note are about as far from "far right lunatics" as you can get without venturing into the left wing equivalent territory.

Trumble posted...

Why don't you quote the specific comments I made about that and see just how "on board with it" they are or aren't?

Your words are meaningless in this situation unless you practice what you're preaching here and cease being a tax payer.

Will_VIII posted...

Your words are meaningless in this situation unless you practice what you're preaching here and cease being a tax payer.

Where have I suggested any Americans should quit paying taxes? Expecting them to give up their income is unrealistic. Expecting them not to actively defend the facilitation of genocide is not.

Trumble posted...

A huge difference being that NZ isn't supplying weapons, or obstructing UN resolutions, or sending military support to the region, or...

Plus, as mentioned, my vote will be going to the one relevant party that doesn't support them at all. Because that's what I *can* realistically do. Who on a side note are about as far from "far right lunatics" as you can get without venturing into the left wing equivalent territory.

trying to nitpick levels of support and justify new zealands level of support just betrays the obvious fact that you don't actually give a shit about gaza

Trumble posted...

Where have I suggested any Americans should quit paying taxes? Expecting them to give up their income is unrealistic. Expecting them not to actively defend the facilitation of genocide is not.

Taxes are supporting the conflict, therefore by your outlined logic, it's supporting a genocide.

Again, by your own parameters, you're actively supporting a genocide because your tax dollars are being funneled into the conflict.

Otherwise, it's a genocide you can tolerate because you want income.

Trumble posted...

Why don't you quote the specific comments I made about that and see just how "on board with it" they are or aren't?

Happily!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7bdef6e3.jpg

You have made it abundantly clear that a smidge of oppression is totally fine as long as people don't vote Biden.

Cemith posted...

Happily!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7bdef6e3.jpg

I'm very curious to know what part of "and even that's not okay" or "hence my lack of support for either candidate" suggests me being on board with it.

Or "I'm not advocating for that either".

Or especially "I'm against that".

Trumble posted...

I'm very curious to know what part of "and even that's not okay" or "hence my lack of support for either candidate" suggests me being on board with it.

Have you resigned yet?