Current Events > Do u think Israel is going to cost Biden the election?

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Trumble posted...

Like, explain why the fuck I need to know a specific third party candidate in order to recognize that it's not a good idea to vote for a candidate who supports fucking genocide. You take such candidates out of the equation, third party is what's left. It's not fucking rocket science; I don't need a PhD in American politics to recognize that. Just a lack of whatever propaganda you've been fed your whole lives.

You're the one telling us we can overcome the two party system if we vote third party.

But how the fuck does that work if nobody knows what 3rd party candidate to go for?

You're a joke.

Heineken14 posted...

Young people have been shit on for yonks and are only recently being given any sort of attention to by politicians

Are they do? 70% of dems under 45 disapprove of Biden's handling of Israel.

Yet we have people arguing up and down that Biden should ignore them.

Trumble posted...

Like, explain why the fuck I need to know a specific third party candidate in order to recognize that it's not a good idea to vote for a candidate who supports fucking genocide.

I mean, the very basic idea that you could point to someone else and say "Why not vote for X person instead, they do not support the thing I am currently upset about!" Also, it still makes it look silly because it immediately gives away the idea that you don't know how our presidential election system is set up and that it does not favor more than 2 parties. It's a rusted out 1976 Ford Pinto that is a giant piece of shit and a death trap, but it's what we have to work with and telling us to just take the train to work does fuck all for anybody.

Trumble posted...

Says the person who has spent multiple pages in multiple topics trying to convince everyone to vote for a candidate who supports genocide.

Like, explain why the fuck I need to know a specific third party candidate in order to recognize that it's not a good idea to vote for a candidate who supports fucking genocide. You take such candidates out of the equation, third party is what's left. It's not fucking rocket science; I don't need a PhD in American politics to recognize that. Just a lack of whatever propaganda you've been fed your whole lives.

You can't name a single third party candidate.

Because you fundamentally do not understand American politics.

Hornezz posted...

Are they do? 70% of dems under 45 disapprove of Biden's handling of Israel.

Yet we have people arguing up and down that Biden should ignore them.

No.

Shadow_Don posted...

You're the one telling us we can overcome the two party system if we vote third party.

But how the fuck does that work if nobody knows what 3rd party candidate to go for?

You're a joke.

Here's an idea... Research the candidates you can vote for, and vote for the best one, instead of not just allowing but outright needing someone else to tell you who to vote for? And if all the ones you've researched are shitty, look into more of them instead of stopping after the first two?

Trumble posted...

Here's an idea... Research the candidates you can vote for, and vote for the best one, instead of not just allowing but outright needing someone else to tell you who to vote for?

But you don't have to research anything at all from atop your high horse, naturally.

Just make worthless proclamations.

DrizztLink posted...

But you don't have to research anything at all from atop your high horse, naturally.

I do for elections here. You should be doing so for elections there.

But hey, much easier to just wait and see who your preferred team tells you to vote for, and simultaneously turn a blind eye to everything wrong with that person while insisting even those who support neither are at fault if your guy doesn't win because of those things.

Shadow_Don posted...

Dude literally went on for pages about how we shouldn't reject 3rd parties as a viable option

And he literally doesn't know any 3rd party candidates.

Its all a virtue signal.

He's not even American

Trumble posted...

I do for elections here. You should be doing so for elections there.

Guess what the research found regarding the viability of third party candidates?

And consider actually doing a little research instead of talking out of your ass.

DrizztLink posted...

Because you fundamentally do not understand American politics.

I dont think thats it.

I think they just don't care.

Trumble posted...

instead of not just allowing but outright needing someone else to tell you who to vote for?

Lmfao I just wanted to know who you think would be a good candidate and you folded instantly.

You're not a serious person. You don't care about American politics or the people in Palestine.

Cemith posted...

Abstainers when LGBT people are being put in camps:

Or when abortion bans go nationwide. The least people abstaining from voting could say is "I actually don't give a fuck about women, queer people, or minorities in the US" so then they're at least honest. Not respectable, but honest

DrizztLink posted...

Guess what the research found regarding the viability of third party candidates?

That the only thing preventing them winning is *checks notes* people not voting for them?

Trumble posted...

But hey, much easier to just wait and see who your preferred team tells you to vote for, and simultaneously turn a blind eye to everything wrong with that person while insisting even those who support neither are at fault if your guy doesn't win because of those things.

You seem awfully good at telling people what they know and do.

Shadow_Don posted...

You're not a serious person. You don't care about American politics or the people in Palestine.

"You don't follow one of my Approved Opinions so you are not serious."

Trumble thinks he knows Americans better than Americans know Americans.

Paradoxically, he'd make a good (stereotypical) American.

Gwynevere posted...

Or when abortion bans go nationwide. The least people abstaining from voting could say is "I actually don't give a fuck about women, queer people, or minorities in the US" so then they're at least honest. Not respectable, but honest

"Hey honey, we are having trouble conceiving a child, we should look into IVF!"
"Silly Keith, don't you remember, republicans banned that."
"Ah, how could I forget that Bridgette. Oh well, at least it wasn't Biden who won!"

Trumble posted...

That the only thing preventing them winning is *checks notes* people not voting for them?

If you ignore about 90% of American electoral proceedings, then sure.

You figured it out, we're so proud.

Heineken14 posted...

You seem awfully good at telling people what they know and do.

What other conclusion can be drawn from someone saying:
Shadow_Don posted...

But how the fuck does that work if nobody knows what 3rd party candidate to go for?

Umbreon posted...

Trumble thinks he knows Americans better than Americans know Americans.

Paradoxically, he'd make a good (stereotypical) American.

Americanism by osmosis!

Umbreon posted...

Trumble thinks he knows Americans better than Americans know Americans.

Paradoxically, he'd make a good (stereotypical) American.

Proud arrogance and ignorance is the cornerstone of conservative values.

Gwynevere posted...

Or when abortion bans go nationwide. The least people abstaining from voting could say is "I actually don't give a fuck about women, queer people, or minorities in the US" so then they're at least honest. Not respectable, but honest

Exactly.

DrizztLink posted...

If you ignore about 90% of American electoral proceedings, then sure.

You figured it out, we're so proud.

Okay, so I'm missing something. What is it? What factor, other than how people vote, prevents anyone other than Trump or Biden winning? And if such a factor exists, why do other options go on the ballot at all; even more so, why do they get any attention?

Trumble posted...

"You don't follow one of my Approved Opinions so you are not serious."

Opinions need to be educated opinions before they become valid.

Trumble posted...

"You don't follow one of my Approved Opinions so you are not serious."

Lmfao

No I merely asked you what a good alternative candidate was and you don't have one because you couldn't even be bothered to spend 20 minutes trying to find one.

Because the extent of your activism begins and ends with virtue signalling online boards and Twitter and liking your favorite dipshit lefty video essayist. Thats how you fight for the people in Gaza and that's how you let yourself go to sleep at night. Patting yourself on the back as you do nothing.

Trumble posted...

What other conclusion can be drawn from someone saying:

Well first I would go look at his entire post and see exactly what he was asking you, in which case, it wasn't the thing that you are saying he said.

*jazz hands*

Heineken14 posted...

No.

Oh come on. This entire topic is filled with people arguing that Biden deserves the vote even if he ignores his voters' demands.

Shadow_Don posted...

No I merely asked you what a good alternative candidate was and you don't have one because you couldn't even be bothered to spend 20 minutes trying to find one.

Because I'm not going to know enough about a candidate in 20 minutes to know if I should recommend them or not? But at the same time, you would no doubt take it to mean I agree with everything the candidate has ever said or even implied.

Again, I don't need to name a candidate who is good, in order to recognize that one (or rather, two) who supports genocide is very bad.

This is embarrassing.

Trumble posted...

Okay, so I'm missing something. What is it? What factor, other than how people vote, prevents anyone other than Trump or Biden winning? And if such a factor exists, why do other options go on the ballot at all; even more so, why do they get any attention?

Do I look like a fifth grade Social Studies textbook?

Why should I go through that much effort to educate you on something you'll then refuse to understand?

You're on the Internet and this is allegedly important to you, do it yourself.

Trumble posted...

Again, I don't need to name a candidate who is good, in order to recognize that one (or rather, two) who supports genocide is very bad.

Hmm the dems and Republicans both suck...

Who is this nick Fuentes guy? Whatever he's third party so he must be better than the other 2 I'll vote him

DrizztLink posted...

Do I look like a fifth grade Social Studies textbook?

Why should I go through that much effort to educate you on something you'll then refuse to understand?

You're on the Internet and this is allegedly important to you, do it yourself.

Because I'm pretty damn familiar with the whole "if you don't vote or vote 3rd party you're voting for the other side" crap and it's blatant misinformation when the right do it, it's blatant misinformation when the left do it too.

And I'm fucking sick of people making excuses for supporting a candidate who's directly enabling a present, real-world genocide. Apathy is one thing, but with every new story that comes out about exactly what Israel are up to, and that Biden is supporting them in it, it becomes very fucking hard to have any patience for or assumption of good faith towards people who still support him. (For those who are going to go "but Trump!", the equivalent patience and good faith for his supporters already ran out a long time ago.)

Hornezz posted...

Oh come on. This entire topic is filled with people arguing that Biden deserves the vote even if he ignores his voters' demands.

Probably because if you don't vote for Biden, and Trump wins, conservatives will see to it that you can never vote again.

Pretty compelling reason to vote Biden, but hey, I like having rights \ _ ( ) _ /

Trumble posted...

Okay, so I'm missing something. What is it?

To not be a complete dick head. Here.

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candidates

It's very restrictive for individuals/small groups to gain access to presidential ballots. It's also incredibly expensive for individuals/small groups to do so, while the democrats and republicans are able to pool vast resources together via campaigning and fundraising across the entire country.

That, coupled with our first past the post election system, whereby whoever wins a state gets ALL of the electoral votes* and then needing 270 to win the election almost all but wipe out any chance of a viable 3rd party president. If no one gets to 270, then it is left up to the House to vote for the president and due to the makeup of the house and how that voting works, would almost certainly go to a republican candidate.

So no, it's not PHYSICALLY impossible to elect a 3rd party candidate as president, but it's as likely to happen as me joining the NBA.

Trumble posted...

Because I'm pretty damn familiar with the whole "if you don't vote or vote 3rd party you're voting for the other side" crap and it's blatant misinformation when the right do it, it's blatant misinformation when the left do it too.

And I'm fucking sick of people making excuses for supporting a candidate who's directly enabling a present, real-world genocide.

Let's give this an actual, tangible example.

- Biden Voters
- Trump voters.

- Decides he wants to abstain because of Biden's work in Gaza. So he doesn't vote.
- Pinches his nose and votes for Biden because he has friends in the LGBT community he doesn't want persecuted, while understanding that neither one of these choices he can make are good for Gazans.

- votes trump anyway
- votes trump anyway.

Two for Trump. One for Biden. Conservatives would absolutely LOVE it if more people abstained becauae Trump's devoted cultists are voting him in no matter what.

Hope this helps

500 LoLs for Biden

I don't support either candidate

Cemith posted...

Probably because if you don't vote for Biden, and Trump wins, conservatives will see to it that you can never vote again.

Pretty compelling reason to vote Biden, but hey, I like having rights \ _ ( ) _ /

Insisting Biden would never listen to his voters and stop supporting genocide, whilst claiming he's still entitled to the votes of his own base isn't actually preventing that.

There's no reason whatsoever to believe that throwing Palestinian lives under the bus is needed for Biden to win the election.

Begrudgingly accepting genocide as an inevitability isn't the brave battle against fascism you seem to think it is.

Trumble posted...

Again, I don't need to name a candidate who is good, in order to recognize that one (or rather, two) who supports genocide is very bad.

Yeah, you kind of do. If you're telling someone there is a better choice but can't provide a better choice but just that there surely has to be one for.... reasons.... and when there's not... you kind of look silly.

Well, I certainly hope you've all learned a lot over these 500 posts.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Well, I certainly hope you've all learned a lot over these 500 posts.

I did!

Hornezz posted...

Begrudgingly accepting genocide as an inevitability isn't the brave battle against fascism you seem to think it is.

The point being we can at least attempt to pressure Biden, which has actually worked on several occasions throughout his presidency.

A Trump election will not have that going for it, and that's incredibly obvious to anyone paying the slightest attention.

Heineken14 posted...

Yeah, you kind of do. If you're telling someone there is a better choice but can't provide a better choice but just that there surely has to be one for.... reasons.... and when there's not... you kind of look silly.

I expected them to throw out Cornell or Marianne but I was genuinely surprised that they literally don't even know a candidate.

Like holy fuck this is blackpilling me even more on the online left and pro-Palestine movement. Not that its not a worthy cause but because they are so fucking unserious.

Hornezz posted...

Insisting Biden would never listen to his voters and stop supporting genocide, whilst claiming he's still entitled to the votes of his own base isn't actually preventing that.

It isn't my fault that my only real choices are Gazan Genocide but I have rights or Gazan Genocide but I and millions of others don't have rights.
Hornezz posted...

Begrudgingly accepting genocide as an inevitability isn't the brave battle against fascism you seem to think it is.

It is when we have a two party system that sees to it that only two candidates ever are even relevant in the election.

I'm also not trying to be "brave". I'm being pragmatic. Unlike others who hide behind Palestinians as a justification to fuck over non white non religious folks in America.

DrizztLink posted...

The point being we can at least attempt to pressure Biden, which has actually worked on several occasions throughout his presidency.

Which is exactly what I've been arguing for this whole topic. But sadly a lot of the most devout supporters would rather tell anyone pressuring that they need to fall in line or else they get the fascism.

• We need to save our democracy
• Our democracy lets you choose between a genocide supporter and a genocide supporter

Something funny with this picture, don't you think?

If stopping genocide is so important to the left they should vote for Biden. He may not stop what's happening in Gaza but he will stop a genocide here in America. Unless leftists think Palestinian lives are superior to American ones.

Yes Isekai will cost Biden the election.

Hopefully it will .

DrizztLink posted...

The point being we can at least attempt to pressure Biden, which has actually worked on several occasions throughout his presidency.

What stronger pressure is there than the threat of losing votes?

Maybe he'll get the message, change his stance, and be worthy of considering again. If third party really can't happen, then that's the only possibility that results in a change of course. Which won't happen if he continues to get unconditional support.

1337toothbrush posted...

* We need to save our democracy
* Our democracy lets you choose between a genocide supporter and a genocide supporter
Something funny with this picture, don't you think?

Yes yes we know you're an enlightened centrist. Please bugger off.

I sure as he'll hope not.

That would be the most stupid shit imaginable.

"Yeah guys, let's screw over are country forever because Biden wasn't perfect!"