Current Events > MW2 (2009) is the GOAT multiplayer game

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when everything is broken nothing is broken - quote about MW2 I heard before

It was such a massive pile of shit. No one who liked it has any right to ever criticize another game for being broken or poorly designed.

Everyone who worked on it should have been fired on the spot

4 was the last good CoD multiplayer

Back when COD was boots-on-the-ground FPS, not this bunny hopping, sliding around, cracked out bullshit we have now

It had my favorite fps maps ever. MW2, CoD4, and Black Ops 1 all had S-tier maps

CoD 4 > CoD 3 > MW2

it was the last one I played consistently

Nope. Any multiplayer that gives perks to people who have played longer cannot be the GOAT. MW2's biggest issue was it popularized the leveling up system and it spread to a bunch of games.

YellowSUV posted...

Nope. Any multiplayer that gives perks to people who have played longer cannot be the GOAT.

It doesn't take long to get really good weapons and perks, then you just get more and more possibilities

rocket league >

YellowSUV posted...

Nope. Any multiplayer that gives perks to people who have played longer cannot be the GOAT. MW2's biggest issue was it popularized the leveling up system and it spread to a bunch of games.

They've since abandoned it for leveling up guns instead. This year's CoD has pretty much all perks available from the start

Best multiplayer game of all time is a stretch.
It's not even the best multiplayer Call of Duty.
Black Ops 2 holds that title.

I like World at War more than I like MW2 and have replayed it infinitely more, probably my third favorite.

Unpopular opinion but Cod WW2, post divisions update was the second best cod.

But before I even got to MW2 I'd rather replay Advanced Warfare, Cold War or even Black Ops 1.

I meant perks in a general sense, not specifically perks from Call of Duty. A multiplayer game that gives any player who plays more an advantage, whether it is more weapon choices, leveling up weapons, perks, etc is terrible game design and soley used to rope players to constantly play the game.

What kind of genius design is it to give veteran players (who should be better at the game) more power compared to new players? The only reason I see to do this is to make the game a Skinner Box.

YellowSUV posted...

I meant perks in a general sense, not specifically perks from Call of Duty. A multiplayer game that gives any player who plays more an advantage, whether it is more weapon choices, leveling up weapons, perks, etc is terrible game design and soley used to rope players to constantly play the game.

What kind of genius design is it to give veteran players (who should be better at the game) more power compared to new players?

Because if you unlock all the most powerful stuff at the beginning, that's just easy access and all the noobs are using "da best gun". At least Cod used to give you a reason to prestige, It was worth unlocking an extra custom class to mess around with.

Though I'll admit MW2 required waaaay too much grinding for something as simple as extended mags. It was worse than grinding a fortnight battle pass.

There is no reason everything cannot just be unlocked from the start. It was done to make the game a Skinner Box.

Also, the pre-nerf akimbo 1887 shotgun from MW2 was considered broken and was one the later unlocks.

YellowSUV posted...

There is no reason everything cannot just be unlocked from the start. It was done to make the game a Skinner Box.

Also, the pre-nerf akimbo 1887 shotgun from MW2 was considered broken and was one the later unlocks.

Curious how much you have played of the series because that takes away much of the incentive to play.

Half the fun is unlocking guns and perks

deoxxys posted...

Curious how much you have played of the series because that takes away much of the incentive to play.

Half the fun is unlocking guns and perks

I played MW2 (2009) for some time but quit because of the bullshit slow unlocking system. Went back to playing Halo 3 after that. I played a few other Call of Duty games after that, but only the single player campaigns.

CoD MW2 was the best, last actually decent overall CoD was probably Black Ops 2. It was all downhill since then

I was so hyped for them release this year's game with all the 2009 maps.

Problem is, all the movement mechanics they've added over the past 15 years just don't play well on those maps. The maps I used to love (Terminal) I now loathe

hockeybabe89 posted...

It was such a massive pile of shit. No one who liked it has any right to ever criticize another game for being broken or poorly designed.

Agreed, the original MW2 was a dumpster fire and is still one of my least favorite CoD games. The only CoD games I hate more than it are Ghosts, MW 2019, and MW2 2022... oh look at that, they're all Infinity Ward games. Fucking garbage-ass dev team, haven't made a good multiplayer experience since CoD4.

deoxxys posted...

It's not even the best multiplayer Call of Duty.
Black Ops 2 holds that title.

deoxxys posted...

Unpopular opinion but Cod WW2, post divisions update was the second best cod.

You, my good sir or madam, have excellent taste. BO2 is the peak, and post-overhaul WW2 was amazing and deserves a lot more love.

BO2 was definitely the best, I agree. I got Diamond on so many weapons

YellowSUV posted...

I played MW2 (2009) for some time but quit because of the bullshit slow unlocking system. Went back to playing Halo 3 after that. I played a few other Call of Duty games after that, but only the single player campaigns.

To be fair MW2 had the slowest unlock progression in the series. It was painfully slow I didn't even unlock everything and I say this is somebody who's played almost every title on the PS3 generation and beyond.

Calwings posted...

You, my good sir or madam, have excellent taste. BO2 is the peak, and post-overhaul WW2 was amazing and deserves a lot more love

Fistpump, yes I've been affirmed!

The only thing we need now is for Microsoft to release a master chief style collection for Call of Duty games for the ones that released before cross play was a staple.

hockeybabe89 posted...

It was such a massive pile of shit. No one who liked it has any right to ever criticize another game for being broken or poorly designed.

Everyone who worked on it should have been fired on the spot

Thank you. Someone with some sensibility after 15 years.

MW3 was like a toned down version of MW2, reminiscent of MW2 but not quite as good

They did the right thing with MW2

If we're talkin just call of duty nothing beats the first modern warfare. The best fps multiplayer imo was MAG

Damn_Underscore posted...

MW3 was like an improved version of MW2, reminiscent of MW2 but much better

Fixed for accuracy. MW3 fixing the broken, unbalanced, game-destroying bullshit of MW2 was one of the best things to ever happen to this franchise. If stupid shit like endlessly replenishable noobtubes boosted by Danger Close, 20-foot Commando knife lunges, quickscoping boosted by Sleight Of Hand Pro's faster ADS speed, and Stopping Power as a perk (without a Juggernaut perk to balance it out) continued to exist in CoD, the series would be dead by now.

Calwings posted...

Fixed for accuracy. MW3 fixing the broken, unbalanced, game-destroying bullshit of MW2 was one of the best things to ever happen to this franchise. If stupid shit like endlessly replenishable noobtubes boosted by Danger Close, 20-foot Commando knife lunges, quickscoping boosted by Sleight Of Hand Pro's faster ADS speed, and Stopping Power as a perk (without a Juggernaut perk to balance it out) continued to exist in CoD, the series would be dead by now.

You have to fight fire with fire

Damn_Underscore posted...

You have to fight fire with fire

Or try to actually make a balanced game that isn't a toxic dumpster fire in the first place

I miss MW2. But World at War was my favorite. The war game mode was the hypest shit I've ever played.

It's a shame they never brought it back exactly the way it was.

Black Ops 1 is my favorite of the multiplayers.

I'm just gonna post my whole damn CoD tier list. This is rating solely based on standard multiplayer. I don't care about the campaign, I don't care about non-Zombies side modes (Spec Ops, Blackout, Warzone, etc.) and I only started caring about Zombies with BOCW so it feels unfair to include it in the rating for those recent games but not for the earlier ones where I didn't care about Zombies.

God tier:
BO2

Great tier:
WW2, MW3 (2011), BO1

Good tier:
BO3, CoD4/MWR, MW3 (2023), BOCW

Meh tier:
BO4, AW, IW, Vanguard

Dumpster Fire tier:
MW2 (2009), MW (2019), MW2 (2022), Ghosts

Didn't play:
any of the pre-CoD4 games, W@W

Shame they haven't made a good CoD since 2019

This was around the time I first saw CoD gameplay, and my first thought was 'How does anyone enjoy this, you die almost instantly'

It might as well been laser tag

DarthAragorn posted...

Shame they haven't made a good CoD since 2019

2007*

DarthAragorn posted...

Shame they haven't made a good CoD since 2019

Cold War was amazing and manages to itch that arcade feeling. The game was a bit barebones at launch but over time they added a lot of maps and a few weapons.