Current Events > Dragon's Dogma 2 is the definition of jumping the shark

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So with my 3.5 yr old computer, which was mid-high range at the time, I am able to run this game at an unstable 20 FPS for the actual play parts of the game. Sometimes it'll reach 50 FPS on areas where nothing is happening, and I simply just don't count those, cuz those sections just don't involve much play. It's giving me a fucking migraine to play on a 1440p screen

But I think if the only issue with stuttering frames, I can sorta let it slide. The game also looks like a Wii game cuz I reduced the settings to the bones to not a whole lot of benefit. My CPU is also doing fine, it's just my GPU. But the game has way more issues than that, and people are coming out in droves about it

In terms of DD1, which is now dated and also really flawed in the modern day, it felt a lot like if it had modern sensibilities, it could be so much better. I played a mystic knight super cannon blast combo ultra, and it was really fun, but that's about it. I feel like people really overexaggerate the things that supposedly made it great, but by today's standard, I feel like I can actually play another Capcom game (cough Monster Hunter) and get a better combat experience at every point.

Also do we need to really walk everywhere with a shitty stamina system? At least compared to DD1, in DD2, the stamina recovers at a reasonable pace, but in return they nerfed being able to spam jump to go fast enough. Because so many random encounters happen, the point is that you walk everywhere to go through these random encounters. But random encounters are really only fun one time through. If you like repetition that much, it's fine, but you have to understand that the average person would hate to have to do the same repetitive shit every single time you want to get just about anywhere slightly further away from town. It's honestly a bit absurd.

Then the portcrystals. I still haven't fucking found one, so they purposely make it hard to obtain one of these, but also porting to town is expensive (yeah you can find them but their limitedness makes them hard to use freely). But the only 2 in the entire game are basically like in walking distance of each other? Ok why not have more though? I don't see how it would hurt the game whatsoever

But then you get to like classes, and like they straight up just nerfed Sorc to be as unfun as possible compared to DD1? Like 4 skill slot, which hurts every class reliant on skills, so is the expectation that if you don't have the out, you just normal attack over and over? Also no Mystic Knight as far as I can tell, and Warfarer seems too far away. People also mention Warfarer is one of those classes that are really hurt by only being able to carry 4 skills

So not only did they stifle player freedom, you only really get to use them on the same pile of like 8-9 enemy types. Goblins and wolves are pretty uninspiring, bosses are damage sponges, and the claim from many players is that this doesn't really change as time goes on.

Then there are the billions of NPCs that are supposedly slowing this game down, but like 99% of them don't even do anything? They just repeat from a pool of like 3 dialogues, and you just have to like run around everywhere like an idiot til you find some dude within some distance wave at you I guess? But what's weird was some NPCs do actually have to be talked to for some info, so it's not like you can ignore every NPCs forever either. I once got to some wizard's house where a kid is complaining to her grandparents that she wants to learn magic. There was a whole cutscene and then... talking to them does nothing. I left and never came back because it fucking takes like 15-20 minutes to get there from the city

So I didn't really want to keep trudging through this boring game, but I also hear it somehow gets worse as the game goes on, like the 2nd half of the game is straight up unfinished and very easy to reach? There isn't a story either? Like what you get at the beginning and what you hear from the black dude in the city tavern is basically the whole story. So what am I even doing all this for?

I read a lot of this developer's interview to see wtf was going on, and I feel like he was overambitious and completely put his priorities in the wrong place, but he needed somebody to keep him in check. I don't think throwing money at this guy was the solution, when a lot of other teams at Capcom has proven several times that they can do large profile projects.

It's pretty obvious to me, making flashy graphics and open world was top priority, the random encounters second, and everything else was put in the backburners. It needed a better director and at least 2 years longer in development. I doubt I'll buy another Dragon's Dogma game though

Can someone please give me the tl;dr version?

ItsNotA2Mer posted...

Can someone please give me the tl;dr version?

"I don't know what "jump the shark" means. Here's some complaining"

ItsNotA2Mer posted...

Can someone please give me the tl;dr version?

Skill issue he has

CrimsonGear80 posted...

"I don't know what "jump the shark" means. Here's some complaining"

Yeah, this doesn't look like "jumping the shark" to me.

I don't think you know jump the shark means

CrimsonGear80 posted...

"I don't know what "jump the shark" means. Here's some complaining"

Yeah, figured it was probably something like that. Thanks!

Not liking something doesnt make it jumping the shark. Thats not what that term means.

TC, I think you should either stop playing now and accept that it wasn't meant to be, or bulldoze through to the end of the game once and sort your thoughts out then.

I think I might know how you feel.

Congratulations or I am sorry that happened to you TC.

im having more fun w/ sorc this time around. ofc i miss feeling all powerful like in DD:DA but it is now much quicker to cast mid-tier spells in a row so there is more action!!!! ill probably get burnt out by the 100 hour mark tho. feels like that type of game for me

im gaming on a pc built in 2018. it has a 9900k and 2080ti. playing at 4k dlss performance mode (rendering at 1080p basically even vram usage is the same as native 1080p). raytracing off. most post processing effects off excluding bloom (still a sucker for it). rest of the settings are at like low-mid.
i have sharpened up the image through NVCP. set it at 60%. Looks sharper than native 1080p and native 1440p IMO.

anyway performance in towns/cities = mid 30s to mid 40s. never drops below 30s for sure even during monster battles in the capital. lowering res does not affect performance all that much so bottlenecked by my old cpu.

overworld = mainly mid 50s to 60s range just wandering around. can dip to mid 40s during extensive battles w/ lots of spells being fired off!!
lowering my res will increase fps a bit so it only drops to low 50s but it looks soo much worse that i dont do it lol. i have fps capped at 60 btw it can go a bit higher at times but not worth it for me.

Would upgrading your PC resolve the shark's share of your issues? If so, maybe do that

oh i have textures at 1 gb high as well and texture filtering at uhh 8x. i dont think i notice much of a performance impact increasing them but i also dont notice much of a difference visually so i just keep them lower. total vram usage is 5.5 gb on my end according to the game yeah. if it hits like 7.5 gb range it gives me a warning lol

Jiek_Fafn posted...

Would upgrading your PC resolve the shark's share of your issues? If so, maybe do that

For one mediocre game? Why? I can literally run everything else in very stable 60+ fps 1440p. Why do I need more?

your complaints aren't unfounded, whether or not jumping the shark is the right term to use

i'm debating if i even want to continue playing it at all. i'm at my "what's the point" point, after realizing what it all amounts to in the end. which is many hours of walking

i didn't read any of that, here is a shark jumping out of the water

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/ca2a5ce7.jpg

Someone make a Fonzie pawn ASAP

viewmaster_pi posted...

your complaints aren't unfounded, whether or not jumping the shark is the right term to use

i'm debating if i even want to continue playing it at all. i'm at my "what's the point" point, after realizing what it all amounts to in the end. which is many hours of walking

Yeah jumping the shark was my initial point and it kinda devolved into a general complaint. My main point was initially that the director's interview was really revealing. He clearly focused on going overboard with very select things, like various small scripted interactions that don't feel constructed. The game being poorly optimized and running poorly on decent devices is pretty telling on the fact that he never really considered who can play the game, only that he can do it given the budget and the devotion of the fans, aka jumping the shark.

He needed somebody to tell him no. I think this happens to a lot of projects that found success in a previous entry and then ruins it in an overambitious unfocused next entry

yeah, i see what you mean. he definitely got some kind of tunnel vision and hyperfixated on things that don't really improve the game, (cough dragonsplague cough) while the original's weaknesses persist and languish

Also do we need to really walk everywhere with a shitty stamina system? At least compared to DD1, in DD2, the stamina recovers at a reasonable pace, but in return they nerfed being able to spam jump to go fast enough.

Yeah okay.

After complaining that bunny hopping like a maniac doesn't make you speed up anymore, I stopped reading.

That's just looking for stuff to complain about.

Karovorak posted...

Yeah okay.

After complaining that bunny hopping like a maniac doesn't make you speed up anymore, I stopped reading.

That's just looking for stuff to complain about.

Never said DD2 lets you speed up? I clearly said it only applies to DD1, and DD2 lets your stamina recover, but you still move around the world at a snail's pace.

A lot of you haven't really read the whole post. I know not all of it was about jumping the shark, and I acknowledged it @NeonOPPAl and @Irony and the likes. But the jumping the shark part of the post was in the initial post

The overambition was the entire point, rather than focusing on making a playable game. However, a lot of the points made in the post does build up to it, so I think you guys don't really have good focus or reading comprehension. Not surprising though, cuz it's gamefaqs and people having fading eyesight due to age or some shit like that

legendarylemur posted...

Never said DD2 lets you speed up? I clearly said it only applies to DD1, and DD2 lets your stamina recover, but you still move around the world at a snail's pace.

A lot of you haven't really read the whole post. I know not all of it was about jumping the shark, and I acknowledged it NeonOPPAI and Irony and the likes. But the jumping the shark part of the post was in the initial post

The overambition was the entire point, rather than focusing on making a playable game. However, a lot of the points made in the post does build up to it, so I think you guys don't really have good focus or reading comprehension. Not surprising though, cuz it's gamefaqs and people having fading eyesight due to age or some shit like that

Yeah, go on complaining that no one reads your post, when you struggle with my two lines.

in DD2, [...] they nerfed being able to spam jump to go fast enough.

complaining that bunny hopping like a maniac doesn't make you speed up anymore