Current Events > Publishers Worried About Supporting XBOX Moving Forward, Report Claims

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Agent_Stroud posted...

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I know you don't agree because I know your posting history, but a meme doesn't tell me why you think I'm wrong lol

Microsoft shot themselves in the foot repeatedly and this is the result.

Also, gamepass isn't going to go on Sony consoles or Nintendo handheld consoles.

Microsoft gambled hard on Gamepass and it hasn't really paid off, doing away with Gold and Games with Gold was massive mistake as was raising Ultimate to 16.99.

Sony has a chokehold on Consoles and Nintendo has a chokehold on handhelds, you just can't compete with them in the long run.

Mr_Karate_II posted...

Microsoft gambled hard on Gamepass and it hasn't really paid off, doing away with Gold and Games with Gold was massive mistake as was raising Ultimate to 16.99.

The way MS prices Game Pass, they inadvertently incentivize gamers to just play on PC instead of getting a console. PC Game Pass (at least the last time I had it) was noticeably cheaper than Xbox Game Pass, and it came with additional content like free games from EA's library.

CRON posted...

The way MS prices Game Pass, they inadvertently incentivize gamers to just play on PC instead of getting a console. PC Game Pass (at least the last time I had it) was noticeably cheaper than Xbox Game Pass, and it came with additional content like free games from EA's library.

It's priced lower to facilitate growth on PC.

With it still having the lower price they're probably not seeing the growth there that they were hoping for.

Overall the problem is that console players would rather play on PlayStation, PC players would rather play on Steam and there's not much growth for cloud.

CRON posted...

The way MS prices Game Pass, they inadvertently incentivize gamers to just play on PC instead of getting a console. PC Game Pass (at least the last time I had it) was noticeably cheaper than Xbox Game Pass, and it came with additional content like free games from EA's library.

If i had a PC I'd switch to PC gamepass because it's a lot cheaper.

Gamepass ultimate isn't worth $17 in my opinion, especially when you no longer get free games every month like you did with Games with Gold.

I don't care if there's 100's of titles to play, personally I only play a handful of gamepass games because most of them don't interest me.

Microsoft lost its way after the 360 era and it shows.

I'm looking for a new console soon and it just might be a PS5 because PS5 games catalog and the backwards compatibility catalog is more enticing.

Watching micro$oft shoot themselves in the foot pleases me.

hereforemnant posted...

I know you don't agree because I know your posting history, but a meme doesn't tell me why you think I'm wrong lol

Bud, youre one to talk.

Agent_Stroud posted...

Bud, youre one to talk.

I removed your tag before but I'll add it back now

hereforemnant posted...

I removed your tag before but I'll add it back now

Likewise.

get married already sheesh

CADE_FOSTER posted...

get married already sheesh

Agent's entire schtick is having dog shit opinions about subjects they don't understand, using memes in substitution of words, & then using emojis like a 15 year old tween that just got their first phone in every single post to show how indifferent they are to rational thought.

There's better odds of me marrying a man as a straight dude then someone who offers nothing but a numbered post & some drivel in their messages.

Anyways there's 4+ other people in here that offered something that confirms & agrees with my rationale, but notice how he had nothing to say to them because he doesn't want to start flinging shit at more than one person at a time before he joins tails, rook, fire mage, & tons of others in the suspended zone.

hereforemnant posted...

Agent's entire schtick is having dog shit opinions about subjects they don't understand, using memes in substitution of words, & then using emojis like a 15 year old tween that just got their first phone in every single post to show how indifferent they are to rational thought.

There's better odds of me marrying a man as a straight dude then someone who offers nothing but a numbered post & some drivel in their messages.

Youre just mad that I dont follow the herd mentality over on the PlayStation boards.

Pow_Pow_Punishment posted...

Literally everybody IRL I know is familiar with the Xbox 360, but has no idea what came after or what the current Xboxes are. It was really interesting how popular the 360 was and how they squandered the brand moving forward.

360 was the beginning of the end. That's when all the microtransaction garbage started. I saw the writing on the wall and haven't purchased another console since other than a Switch to take on the go.

Xbox never recovered from the Xbone reveal...

They have been 3rd place for a long time now in the west which is the only market they had strong success in...in japan and europe no one cares anymore...

They are better off going the retro console route, just release a simple console with a bunch of classic games built in or just focus on publishing games...heck do a Xbox mini or something...

slash the price of the Series to nothing to get rid of stock...

all they have is a bunch of great IPs but it would take another console generation and making them exclusive to even have a shot, its just too late...

invertedlegdrop posted...

Xbox never recovered from the Xbone reveal...

They have been 3rd place for a long time now in the west which is the only market they had strong success in...in japan and europe no one cares anymore...

They are better off going the retro console route, just release a simple console with a bunch of classic games built in or just focus on publishing games...heck do a Xbox mini or something...

slash the price of the Series to nothing to get rid of stock...

all they have is a bunch of great IPs but it would take another console generation and making them exclusive to even have a shot, its just too late...

Holy ellipses, Batman!

Mr_Karate_II posted...

Sony has a chokehold on Consoles and Nintendo has a chokehold on handhelds, you just can't compete with them in the long run.

MS needs to meet them in the middle and work on portable "LapTop" style gaming.

Where the console comes in the form of a "Dock-able" LapTop / Portable Entertainment system.

A format they are very familiar with on the MS Surface side, but can turn into a "Entertainment System" on the go that can dock to a base station and project the game on a larger TV when at home.

But the entertainment unit can be brought with the user on the go.

I think the future of Xbox is basically being a subsidized gaming PC. It seems silly to not just converge Windows gaming and Xbox now.

If people want to install an Xbox OS or ecosystem on a Windows device they can do so.

Punished_Blinx posted...

I think the future of Xbox is basically being a subsidized gaming PC. It seems silly to not just converge Windows gaming and Xbox now.

If people want to install an Xbox OS or ecosystem on a Windows device they can do so.

With the XBOX, MS gets a nice cut of the software sale.

On PC / Windows, you have to worry about Steam.

So a XBOX Console will probably remain for the forsee-able future.

The physical form factor is what is called into question.

To remain in the living room to compete with Sony head on is a suicide attempt.

Why not pivot to the LapTop Market which has no real competitors in the console market.

Nintendo is a Handheld with a dock.

Why can't MS just make a LapTop with a dock?

BYOC (Bring Your Own Controller) or use the ones included in the package.

You can buy laptop screens for consoles. I don't think the market is particularly very large.

It's not really as flexible as a Switch either. I don't see what the benefit would be.

Punished_Blinx posted...

You can buy laptop screens for consoles. I don't think the market is particularly very large.

It's not really as flexible as a Switch either. I don't see what the benefit would be.

Have you been to LAN Parties as of late?

Many people bring LapTops, one of the benefits can be less latency with local LAN gaming, especially with multiple people bringing their LapTops to game together.

It also allows ease of bringing your console with you when you need to travel, you don't have to leave your console at home, you can get the benefits of having your console with you while you travel.

Laptops are multi-use devices. People can buy them for gaming but also for other PC related tasks. Digital libraries also mean that people can play their existing games on as a secondary device. So yes it makes sense that people use that flexibility for stuff like LAN parties.

But that's way too niche case for basing an entire console around a laptop. For one a console means you need to lug around a controller as well.

You can buy a Series S and an xScreen for a pretty affordable price. But why not just get a gaming laptop at that point. It can even play Xbox games anyway.

Punished_Blinx posted...

Laptops are multi-use devices. People can buy them for gaming but also for other PC related tasks. Digital libraries also mean that people can play their existing games on as a secondary device. So yes it makes sense that people use that flexibility for stuff like LAN parties.

But that's way too niche case for basing an entire console around a laptop. For one a console means you need to lug around a controller as well.

You can buy a Series S and an xScreen for a pretty affordable price. But why not just get a gaming laptop at that point. It can even play Xbox games anyway.

But for some people they don't need a entire LapTop, they just need the simplicity of a console.

Portability is a bonus.

So how big is the audience who want the simplicity of a console in a laptop form but also don't want to use the Switch or Steam Deck?

And also don't want to use those screens you can already attach to Xbox consoles.

Punished_Blinx posted...

So how big is the audience who want the simplicity of a console in a laptop form but also don't want to use the Switch or Steam Deck?

And also don't want to use those screens you can already attach to Xbox consoles.

::shrugs::

How did Nintendo know that the Switch was going to be a success?

Especially after the WiiU was a major flop?

Sometimes you need to take a leap of faith, go off the beaten path.

The Switch also followed several generations of successful handhelds. All of which have outsold the Xbox One.

Punished_Blinx posted...

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That's the only thing that talks at the end of the day.

I think profit margins talks more than that. Is there a graph that shows that?

Punished_Blinx posted...

It's priced lower to facilitate growth on PC.

With it still having the lower price they're probably not seeing the growth there that they were hoping for.

Overall the problem is that console players would rather play on PlayStation, PC players would rather play on Steam and there's not much growth for cloud.

Nail on the head. PlayStation also has the best exclusives.

Snip-N-Snails posted...

I think profit margins talks more than that. Is there a graph that shows that?

I don't think so since profit margins aren't always disclosed or can be measured differently between companies.

Regardless revenue does show where consumers are sending their money. So it's still a useful stat.

Punished_Blinx posted...

The Switch also followed several generations of successful handhelds. All of which have outsold the Xbox One.

But remember, Nintendo has a troubled history with consoles with On Again / Off Again success.

There was no gurantee that the Nintendo Switch was going to take off.

Mr_Karate_II posted...

Watching micro$oft shoot themselves in the foot pleases me.

LOL how dare MS introduce pro-consumer, value for money initiatives like Gamepass. Funny how you completely ignore Sony's arrogance from blocking crossplay and mods to censoring indie games.

Are you one of those Sony fanboys who think it's still 2013 and that somehow excuses everything Sony does afterwards?

invertedlegdrop posted...

Xbox never recovered from the Xbone reveal...

They have been 3rd place for a long time now in the west which is the only market they had strong success in...in japan and europe no one cares anymore...

They are better off going the retro console route, just release a simple console with a bunch of classic games built in or just focus on publishing games...heck do a Xbox mini or something...

slash the price of the Series to nothing to get rid of stock...

all they have is a bunch of great IPs but it would take another console generation and making them exclusive to even have a shot, its just too late...

Come again? It takes a special company to lose money on Spiderman 2 and having to fire staff in spite of selling millions.

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No one wants to build on a house of cards. They had a good thing but around the One launch they decided that taking some cards out will make it stronger. Instead of rebuilding with better materials they said we will continue with GP. That is just putting a lick of spit and hope it stays together

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

But remember, Nintendo has a troubled history with consoles with On Again / Off Again success.

There was no gurantee that the Nintendo Switch was going to take off.

Yes there was, it was a Nintendo handheld. Theres never been a single one of them that wasnt a massive success thanks to Japans massive commuter culture.

PraetorXyn posted...

Yes there was, it was a Nintendo handheld. Theres never been a single one of them that wasnt a massive success thanks to Japans massive commuter culture.

For the Japanese Market.

But Nintendo isn't worried about 1x Market / Region.

It needs to succeed in many Markets / Regions

Switch is still overall a handheld device. Their worst selling handheld is still 76 million.

Xbox would likely be happy if their consoles sold that well. The Switch benefited from consolidating their dying home console market into the handheld market and leveraging it as both.

I don't really see how a console designed like a laptop relates to any of this. We have seen stuff like the PSOne before. It's just a novelty gimmick that doesn't compare to a proper gaming laptop which also isn't some massively booming industry either. It doesn't solve a single issue they currently have. People are apathetic about Xbox hardware. I don't see how making an Xbox laptop somehow solves that issue.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

For the Japanese Market.

But Nintendo isn't worried about 1x Market / Region.

It needs to succeed in many Markets / Regions

Its sold over 30 million units in Japan alone, which is probably more than the Series X has sold worldwide. But no Nintendo handheld has ever not been a success. Some of them less than others obviously.

The 64 and GameCube were arguable flops due to Nintendos control freak nature using outdated proprietary mediums (cartridges and minidiscs respectively), and the Wii U was a flop because it may be the worst example of marketing of all time. People literally thought it was an add-on for the Wii.

Punished_Blinx posted...

I don't really see how a console designed like a laptop relates to any of this. We have seen stuff like the PSOne before. It's just a novelty gimmick that doesn't compare to a proper gaming laptop which also isn't some massively booming industry either. It doesn't solve a single issue they currently have. People are apathetic about Xbox hardware. I don't see how making an Xbox laptop somehow solves that issue.

Going head to head with Sony isn't working.

Having a unique gimmick / niche that you can do, that other platforms can't do is what MS needs to revitalize itself, or at least keep itself from sinking any further.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

• Albert Einstein

XBOX got clobbered
XBOX360 did well, but they didn't learn any of the good lessons from it and managed to repeat the bad lessons
XB1 generation was a joke
XBSeries is turning out into a flop.

So what does it hurt to try something very different?

Why go directly head 2 head with Sony for competition in the living room when you can try to carve out your own niche like Nintendo did with the Switch?

Nintendo isn't targeting anywhere near "High End" graphics.

Sony is going for highest end within a budget point.

MS can go for somewhere in between, while being portable in a LapTop form factor.

Nobody has ever had a High-End home console that is portable and can be taken with you easily.

With the slick-ness of a LapTop, not a clunky cludge like those attachable laptop screen units you see out on the market.

PraetorXyn posted...

Its sold over 30 million units in Japan alone, which is probably more than the Series X has sold worldwide. But no Nintendo handheld has ever not been a success. Some of them less than others obviously.

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/460059/ps5-vs-xbox-series-xs-sales-comparison-january-2024/
PS5 Vs. XSX|S Worldwide:
Gap change in latest month: 933,568 - PS5
Gap change over last 12 months: 14,352,410 - PS5
Total Lead: 26,491,358 - PS5
PlayStation 5 Total Sales: 54,173,963
Xbox Series X|S Total Sales: 27,682,605

There's a 2:1 sales gap, so it's not a complete loss.

The 64 and GameCube were arguable flops due to Nintendos control freak nature using outdated proprietary mediums (cartridges and minidiscs respectively), and the Wii U was a flop because it may be the worst example of marketing of all time. People literally thought it was an add-on for the Wii.

Yup, but Nintendo has a tendency to shoot themselves in the foot half the time due to bad technical decisions.

GG, Mattrick. Checkmate it is.

Doing something different doesn't mean doing something nonsensical.

Why would someone who owns a PlayStation, Nintendo or PC want an Xbox laptop instead?

Punished_Blinx posted...

Doing something different doesn't mean doing something nonsensical.

Why would someone who owns a PlayStation, Nintendo or PC want an Xbox laptop instead?

They can take it on the go, have Wireless LAN Parties or Wired LAN Parties.
Play Side-By-Side with friends.

The form factor inherently opens up avenues of play that a console that is tied to the living room / TV wouldn't allow.

Let's say you and your friends are camping, you can easily bring your XBNext TableTops with you and power it via battery bank, game while you're outdoors and hanging out.

Let's say you're in between classes, you got a few hours to game, you can bust out your XBNext TableTops to game on.

If you don't feel like gaming, you can watch your favorite series on your NetFlix or other Subscription Streaming service via a app on the LapTop screen, and still have it running in the background while you do stuff on your normal LapTop.

There are alot of interesting things you can do on a LapTop style form factor that you just can't do if your hardware is tied down to the living room or a fixed display generally.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/460059/ps5-vs-xbox-series-xs-sales-comparison-january-2024/
PS5 Vs. XSX|S Worldwide:
Gap change in latest month: 933,568 - PS5
Gap change over last 12 months: 14,352,410 - PS5
Total Lead: 26,491,358 - PS5
PlayStation 5 Total Sales: 54,173,963
Xbox Series X|S Total Sales: 27,682,605

There's a 2:1 sales gap, so it's not a complete loss.

It's basically no improvement from last gen.
PS4: 106 Million
XB1: _58 million

LMAO using Vgchartz as a source, a source that relies on rough estimates and is actually banned as a source on Wikipedia LMAO.

Fenriswolf posted...

LMAO using Vgchartz as a source, a source that relies on rough estimates and is actually banned as a source on Wikipedia LMAO.

https://gamingbolt.com/xbox-series-x-s-has-sold-21-million-units-xbox-one-at-58-million-as-per-microsoft-brazil-presentation

XBOX1 Sold 58 Million in it's life-time

https://sonyinteractive.com/en/our-company/business-data-sales/
Sell Through #'s: (Actual Customer Sales)
PS4 > 113.5 million units (As of SEP 30, 2020)
PS5 > _50.0 million units (As of DEC 09, 2023)

Sell-In #'s: (Retailers have bought this many units)
PS4 > 117.0 million units (As of JUN 30, 2022)
PS5 > _54.8 million units (As of DEC 31, 2023)

It's very close to 2:1 ratio for PS4 vs XB1

The official Sony #'s aren't all that different from VGChartz

... they can just push Game Pass harder into the PC market. Combine that with letting other companies make Xbox systems (license out the Xbox name and let companies create their own game box) and they get all the benefits without the risk.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

... they can just push Game Pass harder into the PC market. Combine that with letting other companies make Xbox systems (license out the Xbox name and let companies create their own game box) and they get all the benefits without the risk.

That's a uphill battle against Steam on the PC Market.

The entire point of Xbox was to avoid Steam and all it's various competitors.

To have the platform to itself.

LonelyStoner posted...

Sony always wins.

You mean the sony that is putting first party games on PC? The Sony that has allowed MLB the show to be on xbox game pass for the last 3 years?

Imagine still being a console sheep in 2024

And nothing of value was lost

Switch + PC continues to be the answer.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

They can take it on the go, have Wireless LAN Parties or Wired LAN Parties.
Play Side-By-Side with friends.

The Switch does this with a better form factor and more local multiplayer games to boot.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

The form factor inherently opens up avenues of play that a console that is tied to the living room / TV wouldn't allow.

You can currently stream Xbox games to a laptop or phone.

If you're out and about a handheld is a better form factor.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

And nothing of value was lost

Switch + PC continues to be the answer.

Ive said this in the past few years here, and its beginning to come true.

PC gaming as you know it will cease to exist in 5 to 10 years

Punished_Blinx posted...

The Switch does this with a better form factor and more local multiplayer games to boot.

It's also gimped in terms of hardware power, and MS needs to reach out for better 3rd party support.

You can currently stream Xbox games to a laptop or phone.

Streaming will always suck compared to playing it on the original device.

If you're out and about a handheld is a better form factor.

True, if that's your only option.

But LapTop gaming is a different beast.