Board 8 > CYOF Mafia Day 1.2

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SirChris
2. Enchantress
3. UltimaterializerX
4. Obellisk
5. TheSultanOfSlam
6. Htead
7. Wallmasterz
8. BlueCrystalTear
9. Forceful_Dragon
10. Lopen
11. Kirby321
12. Red13n
13. Corrik
14. ScareChan
15. Mzero

The List of Flavour these players have submitted
1. Calvin & Hobbes
2. Ron Swanson
3. Hannibal Lecter
4. Sephiroth
5. An Unassuming Radioactive Goldfish that Fights Interdimensional Space Frogs with the Power of Love, Friendship, God, and Anime on His Side
6. Omniman
7. Alastor, The Radio Demon
8. Lopen
9. UltimaterializerX
10. The flame war between feuding shippers that ensues out of jealousy when one of the ships is confirmed canon and the other one denies the authorial intent vehemently until its leaders get banned from the community
11. Lady Maria of the Astral Clock tower
12. Getting all your money in on the flop with a set only to lose to runner runner backdoor flush-- again
13. Tidus as a Pokemon Trainer with a team of Spheal, Hawlucha, Jolteon, Garchomp, Bisharp, and Reuniclus
14. Avengers Endgame Loki in the posession of the Tesseract in an alternate universe where the TVA doesn't exist
15. Nothing

Votals As of 446 Day 1
Sultan(3) - (Lopen), Chris, FD, Lea,
Lopen(2) - (Chris), Ulti, (FD), (Corrik), (Sultan), (Lea), (Mzero), Wallz,
Mzero(1) - Lopen
Kirby(1) - Scare,
Ulti(1) - (Lopen), Kirby
Chris - (Lopen)
Corrik - (Sultan), (Lopen)
Red - (Lopen)
Lea - (Lopen), (Lopen)
FD - (Lopen)

Ulti unvote looks townish. Scum have incentive to idle right now especially if Sultan is town (which feels right)

I think it'd be hype to flash lynch Chris and see what rats skitter out to defend him

Obellisk 3/23/2024 12:12:21 PM#476
Lopen posted...
Sbell has been very non commital on you

that's not true. I've clearly stated that I think sultan and wallz are likely scum. you wanted to Give wallz the benefit of the doubt and I agreed that it could be hasty and allowed to see how things play out. But I never said Sultan looks towny in any way.

well it may not have been clear...

but still, I don't agree I've been non commital

Yes

Join Ulti on this RIGHTEOUS CRUSADE we shall turn Chris and his evil outerworldly advisory council to DUST

UltimaterializerX posted...

It's gonna be hilarious when SBell still dies night 1 despite this player list LMAO

what does this mean?

I tested it and I can't move my vote

I got enough voting for two days out

##Vote: SirChris in spirit though.

I stand by the initial reasoning for my Lopen vote. Voting people and randomly unvoting them without applying any serious pressure or leaving time to see if a train starts was utterly pointless and Lopen had no answer for it when asked. Sbell seemed genuine when investigating my Lopen suspicion but that doesnt mean he defeated my reasoning by a long shot. If anything he got it twisted saying I suspected lopen for seeming town when I clearly said I suspect lopen for seeming inauthentic and vibes telling me he was trying to look town without actually being town.

we all know town Lopen finds himself going down about 8 different rabbit holes by the end of d1. Here hes more measured, composed etc. just like he was on his last scum game.

do I think Lopen is lock scum, no I dont. But with it being day 1, thats as good an educated guess as any I have.

wallmasterz posted...

Lopen had no answer for it when asked.

I gave you an answer you just didn't like it

Give me a reason it's scummish to do that and I'll humor you. Otherwise you're just making up a reason to suspect me and being stubborn about it because that's easy for scum to do.

wallmasterz posted...

we all know town Lopen finds himself going down about 8 different rabbit holes by the end of d1

I have gone down a rabbit hole it's just makes you on the scumteam and you don't like it

Enchantress posted...

I'm not drinking Lopen's Kool aid, I've already said multiple reasons I think you're scum that aren't Lopen or Chris. I don't have to prove anything to you.

Oh this is one of those "I need more from Lea, but also I don't read her posts so I assume she hasn't said anything" things.

Look. I just watched a game where Sultan was very obvscum and everyone let him skate away. I don't want to do it again. Every post he makes is just an attempt at deflection, he's leaning way too hard on OMGUS, saying people are acting "weird", and generally not showing any real town thought process or really any real feeling reads whatsoever.

Tbh thats the answer I expected. Not that its exactly a supersolid reason to vote Sultan, but I can understand it. His countervote on you is also not too pretty.

See this is actually why I thought it was weird people were saying he looked townish for doing that

Felt like to me an inherently scum type ability

It also felt more of a scum TIMING in some ways like the main purpose was to show that your ability was "confirmable" in some way.

However I did think "mzero going off and whimsically doing this on his own feels townish more than a calculated scum move" which is part of why I backed off Kirby he's the only one who cited that as reasoning.

I don't really think mzero is scum but he could be. He definitely could be.

Didnt Mzero say the vote had to be on him for it to work? That balances it back into neutral territory for me.

Lopen posted...

I gave you an answer you just didn't like it

glorious purpose isnt a serious answer. If that is a way of saying I cant talk about my flavor but its related to my flavor then you couldve just said the latter. But from what I recall youve just been joking around about doing it.

Lopen posted...

I have gone down a rabbit hole it's just makes you on the scumteam and you don't like it

If you want to call responding to my suspicion of you a rabbit hole, that makes one. Not exactly eight or even close.

htaeD posted...

Didnt Mzero say the vote had to be on him for it to work? That balances it back into neutral territory for me.

No it just locks the first vote after I submit the action. I can't choose who it targets. I voted Lopen assuming he would promptly counter vote me before anyone else voted

wallmasterz posted...

Here hes more measured, composed etc. just like he was on his last scum game.

Also I refuse to believe town doesn't realize that me not having the ability to vote might change how I play the game lol.

I want to push wagons but with no actual voting power what can I do.

Eight rabbit holes is endgame Lopen

We're not nearly at the endgame yet. Changing my read to townclear the guy I was saying was scum all day is the best you're going to get.

Lopen posted...

Also I refuse to believe town doesn't realize that me not having the ability to vote might change how I play the game lol.

So were in agreement then that you are not playing the game how youd normally play as town Lopen?

Never mind the fact the behavior Im calling out largely happened before your vote got locked.

Im like 90% sure Lopen is scum. Fortunately for you I suck at getting people to go along with my reads so. Youre fine for now.

I'm playing differently but it's because of

1. Glorious Purpose
2. Vote locked
3. People were upset I posted too much last game and I am making a conscious effort to post less

It's NAI.

That being said I have zero concern about your pressure. I am engaging you because you feel like a huge mislynch target if you're town right now. So you need to engage with the game at a broader level than tunneling me if you're town.

Asking town wallz not to tunnel is like asking a bird not to fly or a fish not to swim.

That said I still think youre scum.

Ulti has been noticeably quiet too. Not even a single soul read or t1p1 scum suggestion unless I missed it, so hes also on my radar.

Thinking I'd "vote a lot" in an attempt to "act townish" implies I have a very basic knowledge of how to fake being town. If you look at my scum game history where generally I'm only caught due to power roles, that shows a gross underestimation if my ability to roleplay.

It's like saying I'd incessantly talk about aliens to act like town me. It's ridiculous. It's something someone who didn't understand how my thought process works would pretend to act like town me.

Like come on. It's a terrible argument. Own it and move on or tunnel it and accept town is right to suspect you when I flip town.

Lopen posted...

I'm playing differently but it's because of

1. Glorious Purpose
2. Vote locked
3. People were upset I posted too much last game and I am making a conscious effort to post less

It's NAI.

In absolutely fairness, I loved every one of your posts last game.

But as far as this game is concerned you started voting every single person with minimal justification and just kept moving from one to the next. What did you expect us to expect was going on?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

What did you expect us to expect was going on?

I don't know but I didn't expect anyone who was town to actually think it was scummish (nor did I care if they did, I would do it again)

Side note Chris trying to rally people to hammer me instantly feels more like it'd come from a scum mindset than a town one the more I think about it

A town role that needs to vote everyone to gain *something* feels more plausible than a scum role that does

So you only expected scum to think it was scummish? The people who know who their scummates are?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

So you only expected scum to think it was scummish? The people who know who their scummates are?

I expected scum to pretend it was scummish to make up a reason to vote a guy like wallz is doing

The other thing that pinged me about sbell is he was clamoring for BCT to post all day and BCT posted twice and it was a bunch of nothing and Sbell didn't give him another look

BCT x sbell scum mesh looking strong

Lopen posted...

The other thing that pinged me about sbell is he was clamoring for BCT to post all day and BCT posted twice and it was a bunch of nothing and Sbell didn't give him another look

BCT x sbell scum mesh looking strong

See now thats a Lopen shade I recognize.

MZero posted...

No it just locks the first vote after I submit the action. I can't choose who it targets. I voted Lopen assuming he would promptly counter vote me before anyone else voted

Honestly that seems like its too good a role to be scums power

I apologize for my general activity today btw, its a family birthday today and its not even mine.

I'd be extremely up for lynching Sbell. Really passive and safe play hasn't pushed anything

Basically the only thing he did was defend me against wallz-- but he made no effort to convert that into offense against wallz so it feels like just "look sbell is smart" and "pocket Lopen" cred and possibly "distance from wallz" cred

I think flipping sbell gives us a lot of material here. Lot of people randomly called him townish early too-- could see scum doing that to kinda passively prop up his image.

Scum also has no reason to want or need to pocket sbell (I also feel shell's personality probably seems hard to pocket in general) so I feel given sbell's game they'd be more likely to be scummates of his than scum targeting town.

Sbell called town by
FD (two or three times)
Death (once or twice)
Lopen (once)
Kirby (once)
wallz (a whopping 3 times)
red (once-- notably red used one of his 3 posts this game to say this)

Wallz says sbell is "twisting his words" later which is interesting because he literally calls him town two more times again later (theater?)

##Vote: Sbell

Flip him and look hard into the people calling him town when he flips scum. (Yeah I know it doesn't work)

Sbell is scum timeline scumteam is like

Sbell
Wallz
Red
FD
Death

Obviously it's not all of them but I bet 3-4/5 scum would be in there if sbell flips scum. With BCT replacing Death or Wallz likely. Red and FD look super bad with sbell as scum I think.

I will make the joke first
Sbell town confirmed.

But to be fair I will look into him to see what words were even twisted

wallmasterz posted...

Lopen had not been passing the vibe check for me. And Lopen I dont care what you say about how hard you are to lynch. I am not just gunning for a lynch I am interested in letting out the little voice saying something feels a tiny bit off here

Maybe youre town Im not ruling it out. But mr all hail Lopen for giving Wallz a chance to course correct sbell can go screw. I clearly said Lopen comes across as someone trying to replicate their town game and it doesnt seem authentic. I got asked whats the scum equity and the obvious reply is trying to look town. Town doesnt need to try to look town they just play the game.

I dont want to end day early or anything but I dont take back my suspicion either. I feel totally justified despite sbell twisting my words.

Post 310. To me it's an odd thing to say and then turn around and have a need to say sbell is town two more times afterwards

Like I guess

1. I don't buy an actual need to be that venomous towards someone you think is town
2. I don't buy you being that venomous legitimately and still town reading a guy so much that you need to declare them town two more times

Either the venom is manufactured or the read later is

##unvote:Lea

don't think i need to say on Lea the vote was more to prove a point than anything else.

I really don't think it's Sultan. I think Sultan is probably town

Sbell scum definitely points towards Sultan town. Doesn't feel like scum scum interaction.

All I know is Sultan deserves a scan if only because I am petty.

Updated Votals
Sultan(3) - (Lopen), Chris, FD, Lea,
Mzero(2) - Lopen, Kirby,
Kirby(1) - Scare,
Chris(1) - (Lopen), Ulti,
Corrik - (Sultan), (Lopen)
Lopen - (Chris), (Ulti), (FD), (Corrik), (Sultan), (Lea), (Mzero), (Wallz),
Red - (Lopen)
Ulti - (Lopen), (Kirby),
Lea - (Lopen), (Lopen), (Sultan),
FD - (Lopen)