Current Events > Racist mfs side with the racist X-Men villain cuz of course they do

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Aloc posted...

They could easily coerce all of society to worship them but haven't because of plot.

It is the plot, but not because of plot. They state multiple times that they could easily subdue humanity but that would only confirm the fears people have.

I think this point is really going over people's heads when arguing that powers means they cannot be oppressed:
StealThisSheen posted...

I mean a vast majority of X-Men mutants don't have literal "nuke" powers. Some of them have stuff like "Grow quills kinda sorta and also you can't turn it off so people judge you for looking weird."

The stories tend to focus more on the super powered heroes and villains, but a lot of the mutants don't have elite fighting powers. Some of the mutants just look odd, or have powers unhelpful in combat. I remember a story about a kid who manifested self-melting powers, and before he could learn to control it he just melted away and died. Not exactly a great addition to a rebel militia.

Plus, there's also the fact that the X-Men have seen several dystopian futures where a large portion of the mutants were eradicated or enslaved. The Sentinels and power inhibitors have been shown to be able to subdue the mutant population, regardless of their superpowers.

Zwijn posted...

It is the plot, but not because of plot. They state multiple times that they could easily subdue humanity but that would only confirm the fears people have.

So....

Not oppressed.

See the whole thing is the whole marginalized group thing worked when their power levels were more grounded

When you have Jean Grey holding the universe in her hands...literally.

I don't buy it.

You aren't oppressed. You can annihilate the universe with a thought.

Aloc posted...

See the whole thing is the whole marginalized group thing worked when their power levels were more grounded

When you have Jean Grey holding the universe in her hands...literally.

I don't buy it.

You aren't oppressed. You can annihilate the universe with a thought.

So if you can kill people, you can't be oppressed?

So... Literally nobody is a marginalized group, according to you, as long as atleast one member of their group can kill people?

StealThisSheen posted...

So if you can kill people, you can't be oppressed?

So... Literally nobody is a marginalized group, according to you, as long as atleast one member of their group can kill people?

If you can hold the entire literal universe in your hand and decide if it lives or dies.

You are not oppressed.

Aloc posted...

So....

Not oppressed.

You know, I typed a fucking bookwork here but I dont think this is worth the time and deleted it.

Aloc posted...

If you can hold the entire literal universe in your hand and decide if it lives or dies.

You are not oppressed.

A vast majority of them can not, and I can't help but notice you ran and hid when I asked you for proof when you said most of them could.

StealThisSheen posted...

A vast majority of them can not, and I can't help but notice you ran and hid when I asked you for proof when you said most of them could.

But we know there are tiers to this.

Sure most mutant powers are useless.

But then when they can destroy all of humanity with a thought...

Aloc posted...

But we know there are tiers to this.

Sure most mutant powers are useless.

But then when they can destroy all of humanity with a thought...

So because a few of them are powerful, none of them are oppressed? Explain, please.

StealThisSheen posted...

So because a few of them are powerful, none of them are oppressed? Explain, please.

The weak ones are oppressed.

The strong ones are the oppressors.

Aloc posted...

The weak ones are oppressed.

The strong ones are the oppressors.

Now, wait. Earlier, you fully agreed with the racist villain rhetoric that because some of them may be strong, none of them could be oppressed. So which is it?

StealThisSheen posted...

Now, wait. Earlier, you fully agreed with the racist villain rhetoric that because some of them may be strong, none of them could be oppressed. So which is it?

Well I didnt say it for all mutants. Just the X-Men who are generally above average mutants.

I wasn't aware of who the villain was in the Twitter clip.

Apparently he is Carl Denti. Aka, the X-CUTIONER.
https://www.marvel.com/characters/x-cutioner-carl-denti

Striving to make the world a better place, X-Cutioner vows to hunt down mutant criminals.

Seems a charitable description, considering he is described also as an "Anti-Mutant Crusader". Described as...

a former F.B.I. agent whose twisted sense of justice led him to launch a one-man war against mutantkind.

Also...

Wielding an arsenal of deadly weapons, X-Cutioner uses his twisted sense of justice to justify his vile crusade against mutants. Inspired by the Punisher's war on crime, government agent Carl Denti armed himself with lethal weapons and launched a one-man war on mutant criminals before setting his sights on mutantkind as a whole.

So a guy who transitions from going after lawbreaking mutants to all mutants as a whole. Also is a fan of the Punisher...who is liked by some unsavory real life individuals...such as corrupt cops and hate groups who adopt his symbolism. I see what the writers were going for.

This topic reminds me of this image https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/17854eb2.jpg

Charged151 posted...

I wasn't aware of who the villain was in the Twitter clip.

Apparently he is Carl Denti. Aka, the X-CUTIONER.
https://www.marvel.com/characters/x-cutioner-carl-denti

Seems a charitable description, considering he is described also as an "Anti-Mutant Crusader". Described as...

Also...

So a guy who transitions from going after lawbreaking mutants to all mutants as a whole. Also is a fan of the Punisher...who is liked by some unsavory real life individuals...such as corrupt cops and hate groups who adopt his symbolism. I see what the writers were going for.

This basic media literacy is generally what the right doesnt possess.

The mutants did oppress humanity in House of M.

Oppressor not oppressed.

evilpresident posted...

This topic reminds me of this image https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/17854eb2.jpg

Yeah but see actually the X-Men are the oppressors since they're trying to stop those people from forming an angry, violent mob against that little girl. Why can't they just form their angry, violent mob in peace, you oppressive jerks?!

Aloc posted...

The mutants did oppress humanity in House of M.

Oppressor not oppressed.

Way to miss the entire fucking point of House of M

StealThisSheen posted...

Yeah but see actually the X-Men are the oppressors since they're trying to stop those people from forming an angry, violent mob against that little girl.

Yeah maybe she killed thousands of people and the Xmen are like "we matter more"

Aloc posted...

Yeah maybe she killed thousands of people and the Xmen are like "we matter more"

"She's a mutant. I bet she killed thousands of people" sure sounds incredibly racist.

Aloc posted...

Yeah maybe she killed thousands of people and the Xmen are like "we matter more"

Ah, so you're just trolling.

StealThisSheen posted...

"She's a mutant. I bet she killed thousands of people" sure sounds incredibly racist.

Except there are times when mutants have done some fucked up shit, even on accident, and the xmen make sure they don't get punished.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c976641a.jpg

Cyclops can destroy a small planet.

Oppressor not oppressed.

Aloc posted...

Except there are times when mutants have done some fucked up shit, even on accident, and the xmen make sure they don't get punished.

Yes the X-Men always protected mutants and never went after criminal mutants, they also never tried to isolate mutants who are a danger to society unintentionally.

Zwijn posted...

Yes the X-Men always protected mutants and never went after criminal mutants, they also never tried to isolate mutants who are a danger to society unintentionally.

Oh ok they "accidentally" nuked a small town.

It was an accident so Xmen will just shrug because humans don't matter to them.

Because they are the oppressors.

NoMeLx22x posted...

Holy shit. Are people really nitpicking that because the X-men have powers they aren't the marginalized group in this case?

How are people missing the point of the X-men in the year 2024?

its like forgot Mutants were literally genocide multiples times in the comics.

Aloc posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c976641a.jpg

Cyclops can destroy a small planet.

Oppressor not oppressed.

Some warlords in Africa rule certain regions, this means black Americans arent oppressed.

Zwijn posted...

Some warlords in Africa rule certain regions, this means black Americans arent oppressed.

Disingenuous.

Warlords can't do shit to black Americans.

Cyclops can wipe out entire continents and nobody would be able to do shit.

Aloc posted...

Oh ok they "accidentally" nuked a small town.

It was an accident so Xmen will just shrug because humans don't matter to them.

Because they are the oppressors.

I too never read a single issue or watched a single episode.

Power imbalance is a thing.

Aloc posted...

Power imbalance is a thing.

Oh now it does.

superbot400 posted...

its like forgot Mutants were literally genocide multiples times in the comics.

Mutants have done far far worse to humanity than vice versa.

Aloc is the dude who used to make a ton of "Mmm look at this 18 year old girl" topics

He's not worth this much effort.

Dudebusters posted...

Aloc is the dude who used to make a ton of "Mmm look at this 18 year old girl" topics

He's not worth this much effort.

Figures. Any other chuddery I should be aware of?

I'm suddenly remembering that time when people claimed racism was officially over because the US had a black president.

Dudebusters posted...

Aloc is the dude who used to make a ton of "Mmm look at this 18 year old girl" topics

He's not worth this much effort.

Whose alt

The analogy is really clear in the X-Men. Hating and fearing mutants parallels real life racism and bigotry.

If you want to make an argument about the flaws in the analogy, then sure.

If you want to use them to somehow justify the feelings of the hate groups, things are going to look questionable.

Aloc posted...

If you can hold the entire literal universe in your hand and decide if it lives or dies.

You are not oppressed.

Ok sure 1 person who happens to have the personal favor of a primordial god is not oppressed. What about all the people who can't do that?

Your argument here is kinda like saying "Dr. Dre being a billionaire means there's no racism"

Tyranthraxus posted...

Ok sure 1 person who happens to have the personal favor of a primordial god is not oppressed. What about all the people who can't do that?

Your argument here is kinda like saying "Dr. Dre being a billionaire means there's no racism"

The power imbalance is much greater than being a billionaire. If Jean wanted she could mind wipe humanity even before Phoenix

https://twitter.com/GFRobot/status/1770928088827809890

Lmao look at this moron

What is wrong with these people. ffs.

Despite the creator confirming this thing I don't want to be true I am going to continue to believe it isn't true and everyone that accepts reality is wrong.

Smashingpmkns posted...

https://twitter.com/GFRobot/status/1770928088827809890

Lmao look at this moron

If they want to ignore the allegory and just enjoy X-Men as a simple action cartoon, there's nothing stopping them.

I dunno why they feel the need to search out different takes that get them all angry inside.

Oh wait. Yes I do.

ai123 posted...

If they want to ignore the allegory and just enjoy X-Men as a simple action cartoon, there's nothing stopping them.

Correct.

Pretending that allegorical context doesn't exist, however, is idiotic.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

I didnt know any of that, so thank you. In fact, its been so long that I dont know which Marvel titles would be worth picking up now.

Any advice is appreciated.

The current era that is coming to an end was colloquially called the "house of x" or "dawn of x" era. Its very long and very oxnvluted but its an amazing story. Basically read house of x/powers of x(these two series are basicslly 1 story and kick off the whole thing) and if you dig that you'll probably enjoy some of this era.

Aloc posted...

The power imbalance is much greater than being a billionaire. If Jean wanted she could mind wipe humanity even before Phoenix

That has nothing to do with whether or not she is marginalized or oppressed. Being powerful doesn't mean you aren't oppressed lol.

How do people still misunderstand this?

DrizztLink posted...

Correct.

Pretending that allegorical context doesn't exist, however, is idiotic.

I would say that ignoring it is OK, if you just want to enjoy it as undemanding action.

Going online to deny its existence and insist everyone else is wrong is pretty idiotic though.

ai123 posted...

I would say that ignoring it is OK, if you just want to enjoy it as undemanding action.

Going online to deny its existence and insist everyone else is wrong is pretty idiotic though.

Its raw copium, we see it hapoen all the time whem people consumed this media as kids then become adults and don't want to believe these themes were there the whole time.