Current Events > It's wild how George W Bush seems perfectly lucid and articulate in hindsight

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pinky0926
03/19/24 9:38:17 AM
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Don't get me wrong he's an awful man who did much worse things than just make speaking gaffes on TV

But I distinctly remember him being the posterchild for political buffoonery in the 2000s.

Also another wild fact I didn't realise until now: he's younger than Biden AND Trump

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Dark_Arbron
03/19/24 9:41:22 AM
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If I can say one thing about Bush compared to Trump it's that Bush at least has appropriate personal conduct, and looks at home wearing a suit and occupying the office. His "Bushisms" were unbecoming, but they're a mere fraction of the cringeworthy botched abortion that is Trump's public behavior. The office of the presidency itself has been tainted by that man. What other president in history has inspired toilet paper with his face on it?

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LonelyStoner
03/19/24 9:41:51 AM
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I would love to buy one of his paintings.

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Irony
03/19/24 9:44:17 AM
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Remember that time he dodged them shoes

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ai123
03/19/24 9:45:52 AM
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It never occurred to anyone at the time that Americans would ever elect anyone dumber than Dubya.


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Dark_Arbron
03/19/24 9:46:26 AM
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Irony posted...
Remember that time he dodged them shoes

Does Bush deserve an Ultra Instinct meme? I'm genuinely conflicted.

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Dark_Arbron
03/19/24 9:46:43 AM
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ai123 posted...
It never occurred to anyone at the time that Americans would ever elect anyone dumber than Dubya.

And even if they did, it certainly wouldn't be under shitty anti-democratic circumstances.

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kelemvor
03/19/24 9:50:16 AM
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If Bush didn't get tricked/lied to by Cheney and/or Rumsfeld, I wonder if he would have had a decent legacy. No way he decided to attack Iraq on his own.
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GranAures
03/19/24 9:54:46 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
And even if they did, it certainly wouldn't be under shitty anti-democratic circumstances.
And even if it was, then certainly they would learn and not be willing to give that person another chance.

Oh.

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WingsOfGood
03/19/24 9:54:49 AM
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He is the decider.
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Dark_Arbron
03/19/24 9:55:11 AM
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kelemvor posted...
If Bush didn't get tricked/lied to by Cheney and/or Rumsfeld, I wonder if he would have had a decent legacy. No way he decided to attack Iraq on his own.

He'd still be criticized for a bunch of things he did domestically (though I've only had that explained to me in passing, not in detail, so someone else will have to fill those details in), but yeah, without the Iraq invasion the world would be unimaginably different right now.

Not necessarily better, and I'm sure with just as many problems, but definitely different.

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Dark_Arbron
03/19/24 9:56:17 AM
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GranAures posted...
And even if it was, then certainly they would learn and not be willing to give that person another chance.

Oh.

And hell, even if the people did decide they'd vote for him again, the system wouldn't let a known decades-long criminal and traitor run for government after trying to dismantle it.

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Zwijn
03/19/24 9:56:35 AM
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Global phenomen. Here we went from articulate people with controversial but somewhat takes to almost having a PM who says the moonlanding is fake, reptilians rule the earth, jews are rats, women love to be raped, black people have the lowest IQ and has ties with nazis.
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Dark_Arbron
03/19/24 9:59:50 AM
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Zwijn posted...
Global phenomen. Here we went from articulate people with controversial but somewhat takes to almost having a PM who says the moonlanding is fake, reptilians rule the earth, jews are rats, women love to be raped, black people have the lowest IQ and has ties with nazis.

I'm hoping (maybe against hope) that this recent surge in fascism is the last ditch effort of an obsolete generation trying to cling to power against their own mortality. You'll always have racism, homophobia and transphobia, but I'd like to think that when governments are staffed by millennials and zoomers those ideas won't be quite so popular.

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Zwijn
03/19/24 10:05:52 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
I'm hoping (maybe against hope) that this recent surge in fascism is the last ditch effort of an obsolete generation trying to cling to power against their own mortality. You'll always have racism, homophobia and transphobia, but I'd like to think that when governments are staffed by millennials and zoomers those ideas won't be quite so popular.
Not as much but there are plenty of millennial bigots, at least where I live I dont see too much improvement. Heavily sociocultural influence on that but I think were not there yet for quite some time.
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Umbreon
03/19/24 10:15:02 AM
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Bush also at least tries to give a shit about the American people. His response toward 9/11 was fairly uniting.

Compare that to Trump who said "Well I guess my building is the tallest now!" (It still wasn't). If he was president then, Muslim Americans would have actively been attacked by him.

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Dark_Arbron
03/19/24 10:18:00 AM
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Zwijn posted...
Not as much but there are plenty of millennial bigots, at least where I live I dont see too much improvement. Heavily sociocultural influence on that but I think were not there yet for quite some time.

Yeah. Maybe once we're at the point where the oldest person alive was born 100+ years after the civil rights movement, and we don't have people alive right now who were there when it happened and opposed it, things might improve.

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Dakimakura
03/19/24 10:18:49 AM
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Complaint about Bush wasnt his age. It was the nepotism and complete lack of competence for someone of an acceptable age.

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Rosstin316
03/19/24 10:19:37 AM
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I often wonder what W. thinks of all this. He seemed like a dumb easily manipulated and controlled frat boy who nepo babied his way into the white house, but didnt seem like a bad or evil person. Id actually be kinda surprised if he was down with Trump.

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Sufferedphoenix
03/19/24 10:31:28 AM
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Rosstin316 posted...
I often wonder what W. thinks of all this. He seemed like a dumb easily manipulated and controlled frat boy who nepo babied his way into the white house, but didnt seem like a bad or evil person. Id actually be kinda surprised if he was down with Trump.

Idk wasn't Trump friends with the Clinton's at one point. At least one enough he was at their wedding iirc.

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ai123
03/19/24 10:33:48 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
I'm hoping (maybe against hope) that this recent surge in fascism is the last ditch effort of an obsolete generation trying to cling to power against their own mortality. You'll always have racism, homophobia and transphobia, but I'd like to think that when governments are staffed by millennials and zoomers those ideas won't be quite so popular.
Who's pushing those ideas on social media?

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SiO4
03/19/24 10:45:30 AM
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kelemvor posted...
If Bush didn't get tricked/lied to by Cheney and/or Rumsfeld, I wonder if he would have had a decent legacy. No way he decided to attack Iraq on his own.


The writing was on the wall.
I feel the allowed some sort of attack to justify all of this, they didn't think it would be as bad as it was.
And as predicted the reaction just made things worse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

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emblem-man
03/19/24 10:50:23 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
Don't get me wrong he's an awful man who did much worse things than just make speaking gaffes on TV

But I distinctly remember him being the posterchild for political buffoonery in the 2000s.

Also another wild fact I didn't realise until now: he's younger than Biden AND Trump

Probably due to people creating sound bites from gaffs. The same way people create sound bites of gaffs of Biden, when on a whole he's also lucid and articulate

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hereforemnant
03/19/24 10:52:07 AM
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ai123 posted...
It never occurred to anyone at the time that Americans would ever elect anyone dumber than Dubya.

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ssjevot
03/19/24 10:54:02 AM
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Irony posted...
Remember that time he dodged them shoes

One of the professors in my department when I was in grad school literally published a paper based on the visual reflexes involved in dodging those shoes.

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Garioshi
03/19/24 10:54:26 AM
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Please stop rehabilitating a war criminal with the blood of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis on his hands

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Dark_Arbron
03/19/24 10:57:48 AM
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Garioshi posted...
Please stop rehabilitating a war criminal with the blood of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis on his hands

It's more an indictment of Trump (#92?) rather than praise of Bush. Trump is so horrible he makes fucking George W Bush seem lucid, articulate and somehow not quite as awful by comparison.

And don't forget the blood of Afghanis too, both the dead and the displaced.
And indirectly every casualty at the hands of Islamic State and the Syrian Civil War as a whole.

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pinky0926
03/19/24 11:00:16 AM
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Garioshi posted...
Please stop rehabilitating a war criminal with the blood of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis on his hands

Please read things better

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Jerry_Hellyeah
03/19/24 11:05:13 AM
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I think Dubyah would be wayyy more fun to hang out with that any other modern president.

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Garioshi
03/19/24 11:05:52 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
It's more an indictment of Trump (#92?) rather than praise of Bush. Trump is so horrible he makes fucking George W Bush seem lucid, articulate and somehow not quite as awful by comparison.

And don't forget the blood of Afghanis too, both the dead and the displaced.
And indirectly every casualty at the hands of Islamic State and the Syrian Civil War as a whole.
I'm talking about these posts:

kelemvor posted...
If Bush didn't get tricked/lied to by Cheney and/or Rumsfeld, I wonder if he would have had a decent legacy. No way he decided to attack Iraq on his own.

Rosstin316 posted...
I often wonder what W. thinks of all this. He seemed like a dumb easily manipulated and controlled frat boy who nepo babied his way into the white house, but didnt seem like a bad or evil person. Id actually be kinda surprised if he was down with Trump.

Umbreon posted...
Bush also at least tries to give a shit about the American people. His response toward 9/11 was fairly uniting.

Compare that to Trump who said "Well I guess my building is the tallest now!" (It still wasn't). If he was president then, Muslim Americans would have actively been attacked by him.

He had agency as the literal President. He wasn't a fucking child.

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emblem-man
03/19/24 11:06:19 AM
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Garioshi posted...
Please stop rehabilitating a war criminal with the blood of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis on his hands
Saying someone was lucid and articulate is not rehabilitating a war criminal. Bad people can be articulate. Bad people can be smart. It's more of an indictment that Bush did all he did, whole not being some bumbling idiot

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boomgetchopped3
03/19/24 11:06:26 AM
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You fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice you fool me cant get fooled again!

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Dark_Arbron
03/19/24 11:06:59 AM
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Yeah, I don't know enough about the Bush/Cheney dynamic to be able to say either way if he was "manipulated."

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Dark_Arbron
03/19/24 11:07:28 AM
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boomgetchopped3 posted...
You fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice you fool me cant get fooled again!

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, you abolish democracy and don't need to anymore."

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CARRRNE_ASADA
03/19/24 11:12:38 AM
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Bush was a low point for presidents back then when we still had standards. He embodies the mediocre, C student that gets far in life cause of his upbringing and family connections. Only good thing I can say is that he was charismatic,

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1337toothbrush
03/19/24 11:13:19 AM
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Not surprised to see praise for bush here. You know, the guy who dismissed multiple warnings which led to 9/11. The guy who took advantage of that tragedy to launch two forever wars. The guy who attacked women's reproductive rights, who completely botched the response to hurricane katrina, and who pushed hard for a border fence. The guy who was mad about France not joining his stupid war and the "freedom fries" that came out from that. The guy who made our country into a laughing stock. The guy who was basically "elected" by the supreme court.

You don't have to elevate prototype trump to stick it to trump. They're both absolute dogshit.

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Cocytus
03/19/24 11:14:52 AM
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Now watch this drive.

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pinky0926
03/19/24 11:29:00 AM
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1337toothbrush posted...
Not surprised to see praise for bush here. You know, the guy who dismissed multiple warnings which led to 9/11. The guy who took advantage of that tragedy to launch two forever wars. The guy who attacked women's reproductive rights, who completely botched the response to hurricane katrina, and who pushed hard for a border fence. The guy who was mad about France not joining his stupid war and the "freedom fries" that came out from that. The guy who made our country into a laughing stock. The guy who was basically "elected" by the supreme court.

You don't have to elevate prototype trump to stick it to trump. They're both absolute dogshit.

I'm looking through the topic and not seeing the praise, can you help me out

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