Current Events > Death of transgender student Nex Benedict ruled suicide by medical examiner

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ClayGuida posted...

hemorrhages and contusions to the head

That would do it.

Yeah, I'm leery of that autopsy. The parents are right to get a second opinion on whether the injuries proved fatal, or whether the drugs were the sole cause of death.

Either way, the school's failure of care is terrifying. Every parent should be scared to send their child to a school that a) tolerates bullying and b) does not insist on a hospital check for head injuries.

ClayGuida posted...

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Abrasions, lacerations, hemorrhages and contusions to the head.

Regardless of the cause of death, and I am also leery about the medical examiner's report, the fact of the matter is that an unjustifiable violent assault took place. That we haven't heard anything about the teenagers that committed the assault is, to put it mildly, alarming.

If it is true regardless the bullying pushed the minor to suicide, it should still be taken extremely seriously and the bullies should face severe consequences.

Would this be the first time a bully has ever killed themselves?

ClayGuida posted...

Would this be the first time a bully has ever killed themselves?

what?

EDIT: nevermind, read back further and found the context

Vokrent posted...

what?

EDIT: nevermind, read back further and found the context

"Nex was the bully"
"So the bully killed themselves, that'd be a first right?"
"Well..."

I mean I guess a bully may have killed themselves before, but I certainly can't recall that, normally it's the one being antagonized that resorts to that.

What may have happened is Nex was bullied and finally had enough and now all of a sudden, they're the ones being labeled the instigator. That seems far more likely than a trans kid bullying others.

ClayGuida posted...

"Nex was the bully"
"So the bully killed themselves, that'd be a first right?"
"Well..."

I mean I guess a bully may have killed themselves before, but I certainly can't recall that, normally it's the one being antagonized that resorts to that.

What may have happened is Nex was bullied and finally had enough and now all of a sudden, they're the ones being labeled the instigator. That seems far more likely than a trans kid bullying others.

That's unfortunately likely. Thanks for clearing it up even further. The "what" was just some confusion after only reading the last couple posts.

Vokrent posted...

That's unfortunately likely. Thanks for clearing it up even further. The "what" was just some confusion after only reading the last couple posts.

Yea, I was just clarifying in general, because painting them as the bully (who knows, there's maybe a 1% chance that's true) just seems silly, as nearly all trans kids are bullied at some point in their life. Sometimes though that are bullied grow up to be bullies, but I truly doubt this is the case here. Plus the reports that they'd come home and talk about being bullied in the weeks leading up to the altercation in the bathroom kind of goes against this notion.

So where was the proof nex wasn't the one bullying others?

Balnazarr posted...

So where was the proof nex wasn't the one bullying others?

Multiple people beating them up is pretty good proof. Unless you think life is a movie.

Balnazarr posted...

So where was the proof nex wasn't the one bullying others?

Basically any and all witness accounts, as well as accounts from friends/family, not to mention Nexs account of what happened.

There is no evidence or proof Nex bullied anyone, so youd have to provide evidence to back up that frivolous claim first of all.

A previous user was referring to transphobic harassment online from random people on the internet with no connection to this incident, making baseless accusations about the victim.

Balnazarr posted...

So where was the proof nex wasn't the one bullying others?

Victim blaming is one of the ugliest human behaviors.

Balnazarr posted...

So where was the proof nex wasn't the one bullying others?

That's not how burden of proof works, honey.

Sandalorn posted...

Victim blaming is one of the ugliest human behaviors.

No victim blaming. Just asking a quick question. I dare ask why do people claim they were the attacker?

ClayGuida posted...

Multiple people beating them up is pretty good proof. Unless you think life is a movie.

This weak cowards love to gang up against those they look down upon or are jealous of.

Balnazarr posted...

No victim blaming. Just asking a quick question. I dare ask why do people claim they were the attacker?

Ahh...Nothing like the good ol' Sean Hannity "Just asking questions" tactic.

Number090684 posted...

This weak cowards love to gang up against those they look down upon or are jealous of.

Of course. As usual. A trans-person is murdered by an an angry mob.

Sandalorn posted...

Ahh...Nothing like the good ol' Sean Hannity "Just asking questions" tactic.

That is true. I'll shut up now as I seem to have done nothing good.

Dudebusters posted...

Awhile ago as in... Barely over two weeks ago?

Also, you have much more like that in your post history, so...

That person was also defending JK Rowling from the "hateful and mean people" in the thread where she was denying transpeople were victims of the holocaust, which I assume is what led to their current purgatory status the same day they were posting here (I first noticed their post there, then noticed them in the JK Rowling thread).

You were right to be suspicious and wrong to give them the benefit of the doubt, though I suspect you only said that to "lure them further into a trap" IE them explaining themselves.

NoxObscuras posted...

Yeah, it's unfortunate that this happens often enough that I'm not 100% sure on who you mean either. Maybe it was Jacob Williamson? I know when that story first got shared here, a lot of the articles were using his old name.

Yeah, with how this was originally reported, it sounded like they died in the hospital as a result from the attack. I'll chock that up to being intentionally vague about an ongoing investigation. But I still hope the family can get an independent autopsy done.

They really need to. Oklahoma has proven they're very anti-trans and openly hostile to them, a government official even referred to them as "filth" when asked about Nox's death.

I hoenstly would not be surprised if the coroner who ruled it suicide is just some sack of shit Trumper serving their cause.

It seems the latest Jojo chapter might've referenced this

CSCA33 posted...

Apparently the Oklahoma State Medical Examiners Office lost accreditation back in 2009 and has not been accredited ever since.

WTF?!?! Like... isn't there a national organization that cracks down on states operating w/o a license?

Has the independent medical examination come back yet?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/no-charges-filed-fight-involving-oklahoma-teen-nex-benedict-da-says-rcna144573

No charges will be filed in connection with the fight that happened the day before Nex Benedict, a nonbinary high school student, died by suicide in Oklahoma, the district attorney investigating the case said Thursday.

The fight in the high school bathroom appeared to be an "instance of mutual combat," Stephen Kunzweiler, Tulsa County's district attorney, said in a statement announcing his decision not to charge anyone.

darkace77450 posted...

The fight in the high school bathroom appeared to be an "instance of mutual combat," Stephen Kunzweiler, Tulsa County's district attorney, said in a statement announcing his decision not to charge anyone.

"How dare they try to defend themselves from a beatdown? They are clearly just as culpable"

Their narrative, or at least one I've seen from right-wingers, is that Nex actually picked the fight with the 3 (I believe) girls who beat Nex down.

Yeah, because people are sooooo known for picking lopsided fights that the results showed they didn't stand a chance of winning.

They really are trying to sweep this away and have no justice.....

darkace77450 posted...

No charges will be filed in connection with the fight that happened the day before Nex Benedict, a nonbinary high school student, died by suicide in Oklahoma, the district attorney investigating the case said Thursday.

The fight in the high school bathroom appeared to be an "instance of mutual combat," Stephen Kunzweiler, Tulsa County's district attorney, said in a statement announcing his decision not to charge anyone.

Mutual combat?

Kradek posted...

"How dare they try to defend themselves from a beatdown? They are clearly just as culpable"

Their narrative, or at least one I've seen from right-wingers, is that Nex actually picked the fight with the 3 (I believe) girls who beat Nex down.

Yeah, because people are sooooo known for picking lopsided fights that the results showed they didn't stand a chance of winning.

It's really fucked up how schools deal with bullying. Harassment often gets ignored by admin, but as soon as the harassed student fights back both parties gets punished and the bully gets the satisfaction of dragging down the victim with them.

WesternMedia posted...

Mutual combat?

If two people agree to fight, it's fine as long as no bystanders are injured and no property gets damaged.

Seems like a ridiculous defence. As exposed in this case, when it is used to absolve bullies when their victim fights back.

ai123 posted...

If two people agree to fight, it's fine as long as no bystanders are injured and no property gets damaged.

Seems like a ridiculous defence. As exposed in this case, when it is used to absolve bullies when their victim fights back.

That sounds like pure BS. 1800s duel shit. Manslaughter from bar fights and the like wouldnt exist if this was true.

Ugh. This is why escapism is the only thing that's kept me sane all these years. I often like to be sexy, seductive women in games because that's my ideal persona. That's why I latched on to the succubus identity many years ago as a teenager.

Seriously, I'm already a very eccentric individual who hates things on my feet, have six imaginary girlfriends and has multiple fears, including pyrophobia, the fear of needles and the fear of abandonment.

And I sometimes wonder who the crazy people are.

WesternMedia posted...

That sounds like pure BS. 1800s duel shit. Manslaughter from bar fights and the like wouldnt exist if this was true.

It's bullshit, but it is still used in the US legal system.

Mutual combat, a term commonly used in United States courts, occurs when two individuals intentionally and consensually engage in a fair fight,
while not hurting bystanders or damaging property. There have been numerous cases where this concept was successfully used in defense of the accused. In some cases, mutual combat may result in killings.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_combat

Nex was murdered in a three-on-one beating administered by bullies and abetted by a school who deliberately refused to administer or summon medical care for them.

The facts seem plain enough.

The school district, ME, and state of Oklahoma are intentionally trying to was the blood of another dead trans kid off their hands due to their conservative policies and culture.

Fuck everything about this "conclusion" of suicide.

ai123 posted...

It's bullshit, but it is still used in the US legal system.

Mutual combat, a term commonly used in United States courts, occurs when two individuals intentionally and consensually engage in a fair fight,
while not hurting bystanders or damaging property. There have been numerous cases where this concept was successfully used in defense of the accused. In some cases, mutual combat may result in killings.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_combat

Besides how bullshit this is, feels like it would need confirmation from both parties beforehand.