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wackyteen
03/13/24 2:52:21 PM
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I do not.

I have never made over $50,000 annually, pre-tax >_>

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BewmHedshot
03/13/24 2:56:36 PM
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Fortunately enough I do.
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wackyteen
03/13/24 2:58:26 PM
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No.

I may not make a lot but my housing, food(if I choose to eat what is provided), health and life insurance are all paid for.

Also, I'm not in my current career for the pay or the benefits.

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Bass
03/13/24 3:00:13 PM
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Yes, I was fortunate enough to get a good job 8 months after college that I've been at for nearly 10 years. The pay is pretty good and the benefits are great.

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archizzy
03/13/24 3:04:34 PM
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But you also have an advantage in that you are given free and excellent insurance and are provided with housing and meals if you desire.

I didnt make shit when I was in the military in the 90s but at the same time I didnt *have* to spend anything if I didnt want to. I could literally spend nothing in a month and have everything provided. I could live on the ship which I did for awhile and eat on the ship which I did frequently. And once you were of sufficient rank were even provided a housing allowance for living off the ship.

So its a different when it comes to the military. What you make doesnt tell the entire story. With that being when I left the military I was WAY better off financially for basically doing the same job only I was home every night and if I worked extra I was paid overtime.

*edit* while I was busy typing this out on my tablet you pointed this out yourself. Fuck it Ill just leave my post even though you addressed this.

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Ivany2008
03/13/24 6:43:58 PM
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Not yet. I make a starter salary right now. I expect my salary to hit 50k/y within the next couple years, and it to reach past low 6 figures in 10 or so years. Sadly, with the way housing prices are going, I don't know if I'll ever be able to qualify for a bank loan.

Absolutely ridiculous if what I'm seeing is correct. With my current income, I can afford the monthly bills of a 300k home, but its getting the initial mortgage loan that's the problem. They expect you to make something like 70k to qualify for that, even though I would not only be able to make the payments, but I would have money left over after the fact.
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Dungeater
03/14/24 2:49:02 PM
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yes and i still can't afford anything here without taking a room in some boomer's house (for exorbitant rent), or leaving the state

i make almost 60k now and i cant do shit with it. 10 years ago when i was dating someone who made 60k i thought they were rich. ofc their rent was 500 bucks back then

man

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Dungeater
03/14/24 3:02:37 PM
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ur good, i dont feel ranted at

it's true too. once i started maintaining my car and health to the best of my ability, i started getting close to breaking even instead of saving. and now that my deductible isnt met, i straight up have to let go of medical expenses. at least ill be able to save then

i save $500 a month since i quit smoking, and literally all of that went into my car

a room, a barely furnished room, costs $1000 on a GOOD DAY here. like fuck me i guess

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Euripides
03/14/24 3:04:45 PM
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Probably not post-tax (I haven't done the math since I file jointly with my wife)

My wife always has and always will make way more than I do

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bsp77
03/14/24 3:06:05 PM
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I make way more and still have to watch what I spend. Shit is expensive

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Dungeater
03/14/24 3:41:56 PM
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one day

ONE DAY

ill have my quiet mountain residence

far away from all

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Ivany2008
03/14/24 5:34:50 PM
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I was making monthly mortgage payments on a 200k house making 16k a year just 4 years ago. Yes, my family initially paid for the down payment, which we went above so my per month rent wasn't super high, but we also chose to go with a 30 year mortgage which is an option here. So on average before taxes I was paying 600/m, plus my general bills. I had no money for spending, but I made due. That property was a 800 sq. foot 2 bedroom home and I lived alone.

I'm making nearly triple that now, and at least from what I've read banks these days won't approve of a loan unless I'm making significantly more than I should be making for a property of that value. I could understand if the home was 400k and above, that makes sense. But to them I can't afford a 900/m mortgage payment when I'm making over 3 grand a month? Even if I chose to not rent out any of the rooms, I could easily make the payments myself. But lets assume for a moment that I rented 2 of those rooms, leaving 2 for my office and a general pantry/supply room, that's less than 300/m per room, and the going rate for room rental in my area is 600. So I'd actually be making money off renting rooms.

I should also note that I live in Canada, which these days has had a housing crisis the past 4 years.
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NatsuSama
03/14/24 5:36:04 PM
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IIRC, this board is mostly in tech. So the poll adds up.

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Trumble
03/14/24 5:36:15 PM
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Not quite. I would if I went back to a 5 day week though.

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rexcrk
03/14/24 5:39:22 PM
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Do you make more than $50,000/year, pre-tax?



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TheSuperSilver
03/14/24 7:19:40 PM
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I would break $50,000 post-tax in about 5.5 months.

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thronedfire2
03/14/24 7:20:37 PM
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yep

post tax I'm probably right around there

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Vokrent
03/14/24 7:21:15 PM
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i don't even make 10K a year

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ArkhamOrigins
03/14/24 7:21:40 PM
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$50k where I live you wouldn't even be able to eat, you have to make at least twice that for the bare minimum

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TheSuperSilver
03/14/24 7:28:34 PM
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Agreed. No way you can comfortably afford a $300k home on just $50k a year. I read somewhere that a decent rule of thumb for comfortable affordability is to look at a home that is about 2.5x-3x the household income. So at the top end, you're looking at a $150k home which really doesn't exist for all practical purposes.

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C_Pain
03/14/24 7:29:20 PM
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I would if I worked all year.

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thronedfire2
03/14/24 7:29:55 PM
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TheSuperSilver posted...
Agreed. No way you can comfortable afford a $300k home on just $50k a year. I read somewhere that a decent rule of thumb for comfortable affordability is to look at a home that is about 2.5x-3x the household income. So at the top end, you're looking at a $150k home which really doesn't exist for all practical purposes.

even if you could barely afford it a bank wouldn't go for it

I make 70k and I've been paying $2500/mo in rent by myself, but I obviously don't have 25-50k lying around for a down payment, so I'm stuck renting

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TheSuperSilver
03/14/24 7:34:34 PM
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I make 70k and I've been paying $2500/mo
Sounds pretty tight to me. How are you handling that?

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electricbugs2
03/14/24 7:38:58 PM
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I make a little over 80K/Y after tax.

Being stuck in BC half the year isnt helping my bottom line, but Im in pretty good shape all things considered.

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thronedfire2
03/14/24 7:42:05 PM
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TheSuperSilver posted...
Sounds pretty tight to me. How are you handling that?

my job is one of the very rare salary jobs that actually pays extra if you work more than 40 hours in a week, so I usually make ~$4800/mo after taxes.

other than that, electricity is less than 100/mo and the only other utility I pay for is heating oil which was only about $500 for the whole winter this year(thanks, global warming).

other than that I pay less than 1k/mo in bills including student loans, and my car will be fully paid off in a few months.

if I ever have to move I'll be screwed because I don't have the cash for that, but I like my apartment and landlords so I won't be moving unless I have to

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Ivany2008
03/14/24 9:14:50 PM
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TheSuperSilver posted...
Agreed. No way you can comfortably afford a $300k home on just $50k a year. I read somewhere that a decent rule of thumb for comfortable affordability is to look at a home that is about 2.5x-3x the household income. So at the top end, you're looking at a $150k home which really doesn't exist for all practical purposes.

I'm still a bit skeptical if I'm being completely honest. 300K over 25 years is 1K a month, before we add in anything else. You might be living snugly, but assuming there are no hidden fees, 300K isn't impossible. Especially if your debt free and are receiving wage increases every 4-5 years. Plus there's the option of refinancing your home in 10 years to fit the current market, which can actually help you pay down your cost of your total home. If that's an option in your area.

This is before you add in extra tenants to pay the bills. In my area a single room can rent for 700/m, a 2 bedroom apartment can rent for 1200 before H/L/E is calculated. Just my thoughts on the matter.
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thronedfire2
03/14/24 9:29:20 PM
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Ivany2008 posted...
I'm still a bit skeptical if I'm being completely honest. 300K over 25 years is 1K a month, before we add in anything else. You might be living snugly, but assuming there are no hidden fees, 300K isn't impossible. Especially if your debt free and are receiving wage increases every 4-5 years. Plus there's the option of refinancing your home in 10 years to fit the current market, which can actually help you pay down your cost of your total home. If that's an option in your area.

This is before you add in extra tenants to pay the bills. In my area a single room can rent for 700/m, a 2 bedroom apartment can rent for 1200 before H/L/E is calculated. Just my thoughts on the matter.

that math is without interest

plus taxes/insurance can add up to almost as much the mortgage depending on the area

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TheSuperSilver
03/14/24 9:42:34 PM
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I'm still a bit skeptical if I'm being completely honest. 300K over 25 years is 1K a month, before we add in anything else. You might be living snugly, but assuming there are no hidden fees
Oh, but there are hidden fees.

There's the aforementioned maintenance and upkeep bills that will come up both scheduled and unscheduled, but all you need to do is to take a look at just the mortgage itself. A mortgage is generally 4 things - principal, interest, taxes, and insurance. The only constants in there are the principal and interest - your property taxes and homeowners insurance can and do change (sometimes substantially) on an annual basis depending on where you are.

Comfortably owning a home is much more than just the mortgage. I've been living in my house now for almost 2 years and my takeaway so far is "there's always something that needs to be done". Could be furniture, roofing, HVAC, driveway, landscaping, flooring, plumbing, electrical, you name it. You have to be ready for all of it.

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SauI_Goodman
03/14/24 9:43:52 PM
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$40,000 in vegas. Used to be good enough for a comfortable life here as long as you stayed away from the vegas lifestyle. Now I'm barely making it.

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BlazinBlue88
03/14/24 10:04:40 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
I make 70k and I've been paying $2500/mo in rent by myself, but I obviously don't have 25-50k lying around for a down payment, so I'm stuck renting
You should look into a housing loan anyway cause it might surprise you. My wife and I did have that money lying around for a down payment either. First time home buyers plus good credit allowed us to get a home for no money down. $1.5k monthly mortgage on a $250k house.

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thronedfire2
03/14/24 10:09:06 PM
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BlazinBlue88 posted...
You should look into a housing loan anyway cause it might surprise you. My wife and I did have that money lying around for a down payment either. First time home buyers plus good credit allowed us to get a home for no money down. $1.5k monthly mortgage on a $250k house.

it's at least 500k for a decent 2-3 bedroom house around here now. even more in the towns with better education and infrastructure.

the duplex that I rent the bottom half of is probably worth around 1.5mil, for example.

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Paragon21XX
03/14/24 10:15:26 PM
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I made almost 60k in take-home pay last year.

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thronedfire2
03/14/24 10:43:20 PM
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I'm 10 mins from Boston and only 5 mins from the ocean, but even another 10-15 miles south the apartments cost just as much.

the $2500 is for a 2 bedroom, but even 1 bedrooms are 1800+ and have way less space. my roommate is moving out fully in July so I'll finally be able to have a whole room just for my cat!


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TheSuperSilver
03/14/24 10:45:07 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
I'm 10 mins from Boston and only 5 mins from the ocean, but even another 10-15 miles south the apartments cost just as much.

the $2500 is for a 2 bedroom, but even 1 bedrooms are 1800+ and have way less space. my roommate is moving out fully in July so I'll finally be able to have a whole room just for my cat!
I used to live in Revere before I came to Maryland and my 1-BR apartment at that time was $1710 I believe.

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Glob
03/14/24 10:45:58 PM
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My main salary pays just over double that but I also have other income from things I do on the side.
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Rika_Furude
03/14/24 10:47:19 PM
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Yes, even accounting for the USD to AUD conversion
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thronedfire2
03/14/24 10:47:39 PM
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TheSuperSilver posted...
I used to live in Revere before I came to Maryland and my 1-BR apartment at that time was $1710 I believe.

yeah the North Shore used to have really good prices a few years ago. a friend of mine had a huge 3 bedroom that was only like 1200.

but everyone realized it was so much cheaper up there and the traffic wasn't any worse than trying to go north into the city.

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Ivany2008
03/14/24 10:55:31 PM
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But again... that's based on your area, not mine. I owned a 200k home for several years making significantly less than I do now. And the most I've ever paid for repairs on my home was 4k for replacing the back patio. We don't use A/C here, as the temperature rarely breaks 75F, and most general home issues are covered by my insurance company. Even if they aren't covered its usually only a couple hundred bucks to fix, and most importantly our insurance companies aren't like the nightmare stories you hear about down in the States.

Not everyone lives in a high cost area. Not everyone lives in an area where companies are actively trying to screw you.

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bluezero
03/15/24 10:07:05 AM
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TheSuperSilver posted...
I would break $50,000 post-tax in about 5.5 months.
This is the kind of shit CE loves to boast about

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Ivany2008
03/15/24 11:50:52 AM
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Then I guess me being able to afford a 200k home on a salary of 20k was a fucking dream then. Pretty realistic because it lasted 7 years.
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Giant_Aspirin
03/15/24 11:53:17 AM
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yes, and i have since 2009.

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Cephalopods
03/15/24 11:55:16 AM
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With my full time job I make just over $40k, my part time job brings me over $50k, but not significantly over.
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realnifty1
03/15/24 12:04:14 PM
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Ivany2008 posted...
Then I guess me being able to afford a 200k home on a salary of 20k was a fucking dream then. Pretty realistic because it lasted 7 years.

To be fair, when you write out like that it does sound like you dreamed it. Unless there are other contributing factors even a 2% interest rate makes that virtually impossible.
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