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BlueTigerLion
03/06/24 12:14:17 PM
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https://tinyurl.com/w2s5nw7p

New Yorkers will soon see national guardsmen on the subway. Governor Kathy Hochul spoke about the recent brazen attacks happening on New York's subway system. Over the weekend, a man was kicked on to the tracks at Penn Station. Hochul said three people saved that man's life. Attacks will not be "tolerated," she assured. "That's the New York I know. When someone is in trouble, total strangers come to the rescue with no hesitation. That's the true heart of New York," said Hochul.

She announced her plan Wednesday to "protect all New Yorkers." "Riding the subway, which should just simply be part of your everyday life is filled with stress and trepidation," said Hochul. "If you make a living as a transit worker that's compounded exponentially, that level of stress. Over 1,000 members of the New York State, MTA police and MTA National Guard will be conducting bag checks at the busiest transit stations. Top administration, state and local officials met with Hochul and came up with the "five-point plan" to address the public safety concern in the Big Apple. A total of 750 members of the New York National Guard and 250 personnel from the state police will make sure weapons are not brought in.

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Doe
03/06/24 12:16:50 PM
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Im totally gonna be less stressed when a police officer is searching my bag for contraband any time I try to move around in the city. What a hellhole

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Thud
03/06/24 12:20:29 PM
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LMFAO. My Russian teacher in HS told me about how they did exactly this in Moscow when he went for a visit while they were still under Soviet rule

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Alles-Losen
03/06/24 12:24:18 PM
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They must really be sick of peoples shit from the looks of it.

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DipDipDiver
03/06/24 12:25:00 PM
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Imagine joining the National Guard and getting assigned to bag checking on the subway

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Chicken
03/06/24 12:26:57 PM
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but guys you promised the country wouldn't fall to fascism under our lord and savior Joe Biden :O:O:O:O

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McMarbles
03/06/24 12:28:20 PM
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Chicken posted...
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Revelation34
03/06/24 12:28:41 PM
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How do you bag check somebody's leg?

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PeteyParker
03/06/24 12:30:47 PM
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The Siege was only supposed to be a movie.

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YellowSUV
03/06/24 12:49:40 PM
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NY doesn't have to worry about Trump instituting "Marshall" law. Looks like the governor is doing it ahead of schedule.

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s0nicfan
03/06/24 12:55:20 PM
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The NY subway is stupid dangerous for being in one of the financial capitals of the world and the seat of the UN.

This isn't necessarily the best way to deal with it, but there IS a problem with the level of violence in the NYC subway system that needs addressing.

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Smashingpmkns
03/06/24 12:56:52 PM
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Damn even subways gonna have TSA now smh

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YellowSUV
03/06/24 12:59:30 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Damn even subways gonna have TSA now smh

And some people wonder why people don't want to give up cars. Cars are rarely subjected to these unconstitutional bag searches.

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ItsNotA2Mer
03/06/24 1:01:01 PM
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Chicken posted...
but guys you promised the country wouldn't fall to fascism under our lord and savior Joe Biden :O:O:O:O

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bigblu89
03/06/24 1:22:40 PM
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This is going to be one of those topics where we blame everyone other than the people committing the crimes that have caused the mayor to implement these practices, isn't it?

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Lordgold666
03/06/24 1:34:04 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
This is going to be one of those topics where we blame everyone other than the people committing the crimes that have caused the mayor to implement these practices, isn't it?
Lmao ofc

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Starks
03/06/24 1:34:38 PM
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I'm surprised we're not using the state guard for this. But they're usually too old and under trained.

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2Pacavelli
03/06/24 1:41:08 PM
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The New York State political leadership is so incompetent
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PizzaPatty
03/06/24 1:47:12 PM
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Yet another ploy to arrest and incarcerate POC. This is racism pure and simple. The vast majority of riders on the NYC subway are non white which is exactly why they are targeting the subway when NYC is literally safer than it has been in decades. Don't fall for the fake news on Fox News ask the people of NYC if they feel safe and you wi get a resounding yes we are safe except when targeted by the police and national guard.
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Starks
03/06/24 1:49:45 PM
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She seems to be steering clear of the idea of the national guard doing immigration enforcement on the side.

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animebop
03/06/24 1:57:46 PM
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Starks posted...
I'm surprised we're not using the state guard for this. But they're usually too old and under trained.

They might be involved in some way, but they're only 400 people.

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SiO4
03/06/24 1:58:53 PM
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DipDipDiver posted...
Imagine joining the National Guard and getting assigned to bag checking on the subway


The amount of Babysitting Law enforcement does is astonishing.
We all know it, but I will still say it. We are a very unhealthy society.
And People are trained to think that's normal and that where the danger comes.

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Revelation34
03/06/24 2:50:42 PM
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This is also a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

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Robot2600
03/06/24 2:52:59 PM
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new york has been getting this shit shot down for decades.

i wouldnt be surprised if the kings and queens of the supreme court think this is too far.

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C_Pain
03/06/24 3:29:46 PM
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Wtf, what kind of strategy is that? I would think most crime on the subway is not even with a weapon, it's just someone punching or pushing someone else. They don't need to check bags, there just needs to be more police, etc. walking around on platforms and maybe one in each train.

I have to start taking the train again in a few weeks to work. :(

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YellowSUV
03/06/24 11:49:39 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
This is going to be one of those topics where we blame everyone other than the people committing the crimes that have caused the mayor to implement these practices, isn't it?

Searching bags without probable cause isn't the solution and will do jack shit to help. Its just another scheme to erode rights in the name of "safety".

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megamanfreakXD
03/06/24 11:53:37 PM
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As stupid as it sounds, I am glad this is happening. NYC subways is a fucking crime den that is always being used by millions of people.

I get fucking anxiety riding the subways nowadays.

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pnut027
03/06/24 11:56:43 PM
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megamanfreakXD posted...
As stupid as it sounds, I am glad this is happening. NYC subways is a fucking crime den that is always being used by millions of people.

I get fucking anxiety riding the subways nowadays.
I dont think searching bags will deter people from kicking others onto the tracks.

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RISEofCHRISTIAN
03/07/24 12:04:52 AM
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Do we have to take off our shoes, take out our laptops, etc... to get in the subway now?

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Slaya4
03/07/24 12:05:08 AM
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Outside looking in this is a big yikes. Sounds like a takeover.

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Mew
03/07/24 12:05:58 AM
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New Yorkers will soon see national guardsmen on the subway. Governor Kathy Hochul spoke about the recent brazen attacks happening on New York's subway system. Over the weekend, a man was kicked on to the tracks at Penn Station.

Revelation34 posted...
How do you bag check somebody's leg?


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InfinityMonster
03/07/24 12:06:30 AM
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PizzaPatty posted...
Yet another ploy to arrest and incarcerate POC. This is racism pure and simple. The vast majority of riders on the NYC subway are non white which is exactly why they are targeting the subway when NYC is literally safer than it has been in decades. Don't fall for the fake news on Fox News ask the people of NYC if they feel safe and you wi get a resounding yes we are safe except when targeted by the police and national guard.
NYC is not safer than it's been in decades. You're the one spreading fake news. And you will not get a resounding yes from people here. It will be highly dependent on the person and the lines and times they use them.

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Revelation34
03/07/24 1:11:01 AM
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YellowSUV posted...


Searching bags without probable cause isn't the solution and will do jack shit to help. Its just another scheme to erode rights in the name of "safety".


Yeah they won't be able to convict anybody. Most defense lawyers would do it pro bono for the exposure to their practice.

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Suikoden2
03/07/24 1:58:21 AM
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Non american here. Isn't it unconstitutional to randomly check someone's bag without probable cause?

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Sufferedphoenix
03/07/24 2:06:46 AM
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Suikoden2 posted...
Non american here. Isn't it unconstitutional to randomly check someone's bag without probable cause?
.I wanna say yes and no. Yes to completely random but to enter some places no. Like if I go to a concert they are gonna check my shit. If I complain the answer will be well you ain't gotta come in. People don't have a "right" to enter concerts or even subways so those companies have some ability to place requirements to use their service

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boxoto
03/07/24 2:16:20 AM
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is this a long going/permanent thing?

I just skimmed through the article, and was wondering if this would just be the "new normal" for New Yorkers going forward.

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Dark_Arbron
03/07/24 2:16:30 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
.I wanna say yes and no. Yes to completely random but to enter some places no. Like if I go to a concert they are gonna check my shit. If I complain the answer will be well you ain't gotta come in. People don't have a "right" to enter concerts or even subways so those companies have some ability to place requirements to use their service

Arent subways public property?

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Sufferedphoenix
03/07/24 2:19:04 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Arent subways public property?

I'm....not sure I've never seen or used one. Do you have to pay at all to use them?

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Dark_Arbron
03/07/24 2:21:22 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
I'm....not sure I've never seen or used one. Do you have to pay at all to use them?

I dont know either. I dont know of any Australian cities with subways.

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kirbymuncher
03/07/24 2:21:40 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
I'm....not sure I've never seen or used one. Do you have to pay at all to use them?
you can pay to access public services - eg toll roads

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Dark_Arbron
03/07/24 2:22:28 AM
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kirbymuncher posted...
you can pay to access public services - eg toll roads

Yeah, we dont have such blatantly extortionate things in Perth.

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Sufferedphoenix
03/07/24 2:23:35 AM
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kirbymuncher posted...
you can pay to access public services - eg toll roads

True. We don't really have those down here either.

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megamanfreakXD
03/07/24 2:26:38 AM
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FYI, they will also be patrolling the subway stations. And If you refuse to allow your bags to be checked, you will be not allowed into the subway station.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/06/nyregion/subway-national-guard-police.html

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darkmaian23
03/07/24 11:49:31 AM
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megamanfreakXD posted...
FYI, they will also be patrolling the subway stations. And If you refuse to allow your bags to be checked, you will be not allowed into the subway station.
This is a disgusting violation of the 4th Amendment.

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Holy_Cloud105
03/07/24 11:52:53 AM
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InfinityMonster posted...
NYC is not safer than it's been in decades. You're the one spreading fake news. And you will not get a resounding yes from people here. It will be highly dependent on the person and the lines and times they use them.
Bullshit. Crime statistics show NYC in 2023 had half a point less crime than 2022 and it's lower than pre pandemic levels. You're the one with fake news when stats don't care about your feelings. All the crime data your ilk show are in relation to pandemic levels of crime which will obviously be higher.

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HeeathLivesOn
03/07/24 11:55:09 AM
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Chicken posted...
but guys you promised the country wouldn't fall to fascism under our lord and savior Joe Biden :O:O:O:O
Eric Adams and Hochul are both DINOs, especially Adams
Fuck both of them

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s0nicfan
03/07/24 12:00:26 PM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Bullshit. Crime statistics show NYC in 2023 had half a point less crime than 2022 and it's lower than pre pandemic levels. You're the one with fake news when stats don't care about your feelings. All the crime data your ilk show are in relation to pandemic levels of crime which will obviously be higher.

Subway crime is up 13%. The city released those statistics at the same time they announced this measure.

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SiO4
03/07/24 2:02:33 PM
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megamanfreakXD posted...
FYI, they will also be patrolling the subway stations. And If you refuse to allow your bags to be checked, you will be not allowed into the subway station.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/06/nyregion/subway-national-guard-police.html


darkmaian23 posted...

This is a disgusting violation of the 4th Amendment.


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InfinityMonster
03/07/24 2:14:34 PM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Bullshit. Crime statistics show NYC in 2023 had half a point less crime than 2022 and it's lower than pre pandemic levels. You're the one with fake news when stats don't care about your feelings. All the crime data your ilk show are in relation to pandemic levels of crime which will obviously be higher.
You should try reading better. That poster said it's the safest it's been in decades. That is objectively false.

To respond to the rest of your Pavlovian response, the 7 major crimes are up by 30k more cases in 2022 and 2023, a 32% increase, than in 2015-2021 and at a level not seen since 2006. Felony assault since the 90s. The population has remained pretty stable since 2000.

Things here are starting to improve in some areas as of late, but there's still a lot of work and improvement that needs to be done and there's no need to lie about the actual reality like you and that other poster are trying to.

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